Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach

[stuporman]

Apparently ignoring what's being said equates to

Apparently thinking what's being said isn't trash is

Apparently you can't read. wanna get banned together for derailing the thread? Sounds like fun! Or you can just stop now and don't lie about me ever again. Valid points are not trash. Deal with it and move on if you can't have an adult conversation.

You do this all the time with so many posters...don't you ever get tired of it?

so, we literally been at this all day. -JVG

[MrDollarBills]

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Reposting this again because it cracks me up. Karl is gonna need to get right that's all I'm gonna say. All those stupid fouls and freelancing on D will not be tolerated

This would make a HUGE difference if Brown gets Kat to stop fouling Dollar.

I so bad wish the Knicks would record their practices

"Karl. KARL!!! What the f*ck was that!!!?"

"I DON'T GIVE A F*CK STOP DOING IT, YOU HEAR ME!!?"

[MrDollarBills]

You’re just arguing semantics to avoid addressing the elephant in the room. Has he ever had any playoff success outside of coaching Bron? He’s had multiple talented teams on the Lakers and kings.

Counter point to this is that Thibs hasn't had success outside of Rose and Brunson, which i wouldn't hold against Tom. I don't think having LeBron should be a knock against Mike either, you can't win without talent.

Look at Jordi Fernandez, people here are giving him the credit for Sacramento's offense but he just coached the Nets to the 2nd worst offense and defense in the league, but no one can hold that against him because his best player was literally Cam Thomas, and he got hurt.

I think for me, I gotta focus on how Mike's past offensive and defensive systems will fit this roster.

Who gave Jordi credit? Not me. As for the Nets, it was a tank. Pop wasn't doing any better with that team. Come on bro. I can see you! I said there was circumstantial evidence to suggest his AHC was a big part of that success. That waa according to talk from SAC fans.

My big miss in year 3 was DeRozan. It still doesn't change the fact that he lost the locker room according to reports but, he was thrown a curveball there.

Well, my point is I see very little to gain from nitpicking Mike's record because of LeBron. We could say this about every coach with a winning career record. That's why I brought up Jordi. You can't win without dogs.

[stuporman]

That's a fair critique.

Not really

Because it implies he's been coaching that entire time, which he hasn't been. He got fired in 2014 from Cleveland, then didn't get another head coaching job until the 2023 season, which is 9 years in and of itself. Hard to make it past the 1st round when you're not even coaching

Even if we could the 2013 season where he only coached 5 games, it's only been 6 seasons since he made it out of the 1st round. For comparison, Thibs had not made it out of the first round in 5 seasons as a coach before making it to the 2nd round in 2023.

Brown Coached the Warriors to a 12-0 record in the 2016-17 playoffs when Steve Kerr was out. Yes, I know the team was good. But he didn't F it up!

How dare you inject some context and stats into this...

[BKlutch]

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Reposting this again because it cracks me up. Karl is gonna need to get right that's all I'm gonna say. All those stupid fouls and freelancing on D will not be tolerated

This would make a HUGE difference if Brown gets Kat to stop fouling Dollar.

I so bad wish the Knicks would record their practices

"Karl. KARL!!! What the f*ck was that!!!?"

"I DON'T GIVE A F*CK STOP DOING IT, YOU HEAR ME!!?"

Those videos would go viral but they might ruin several reputations

[Context]

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Reposting this again because it cracks me up. Karl is gonna need to get right that's all I'm gonna say. All those stupid fouls and freelancing on D will not be tolerated

This would make a HUGE difference if Brown gets Kat to stop fouling Dollar.

I so bad wish the Knicks would record their practices

"Karl. KARL!!! What the f*ck was that!!!?"

"I DON'T GIVE A F*CK STOP DOING IT, YOU HEAR ME!!?"

If Brown can truly connect with Kat. That would be the difference between win one and winning two chips. I will definitely record all games so I can watch every single one this year. Excited to see what Brown can do with all of his experience for this group. Not to mention, how Brown works with the front office too.

[HEZI]

Nothing he did matters anymore. All that matters is can he and will he help us get further than we did this year. If we reach the finals then it’s a success. Anything short of that is a failure. East is weaker and we improved our bench so the path has never been easier.

[BKlutch]

The key is going to be getting Brown the best assistant coaching and development staff that Dolan's money can buy. We should be extra aggressive in hiring the absolute best. Go after Borrego, Jenkins, Staley, etc.

LOAD UP!

I want so many great assistant coaches they will have to use Ranked Choice Voting to make a decision. After all, it's only Dolan's Dollars, not CBA money.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Would love Phil handy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’d do wonders for Og!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Handy is an excellent developmental coach. His IG is probably the best one on the net for a trainer/coach.

[BKlutch]

You are right Stu. I wanted the new genius assistant.
After looking at Browns resume. He makes more sense.
Looking forward to see which assistants they bring in.

Real gm is like politics. People pick a side and run with it. I allowed myself to do research and the research shows he was the right choice for this team.

I dont pick sides personally. I do run with things from time to time WITHOUT doing research I must admit. This was one of those times.
Browns resume is incredible. Like I said, growth doesnt have to stop. It stopped for Thibs. We will find out if Brown can get better today.
We will find out if Brown is going to push himself toward being greater. He has a unique group to work with. Can't wait to see him work.

I think you nailed the issue with Thibs - he couldn't grow. Strange as it seems, I think his hair style is a metaphor for his personality. Although he had less and less, instead of a more modern style, he maximized his last few strands at the expense of his overall look. He coached the same way. I know, it seems funny, but that's his personality. After a while, every person must acknowledge that other people have much to contribute. He couldn't do that.

[stuporman]

We all can use a handy in our lives...

[Fury]

Mike brown has had talent outside of Bron. He fumbled Kobe, Dwight Howard, Nash, Gasol. And yes they were old, but they got much better after Brown was fired.

He had a talented kings team with Fox, Sabonis, Derozan, monk, Keon Ellis, Davion Mitchell and still couldn’t get past the first round and had a losing record last season.

They didn’t get better when they got rid of him in either case. Lakers got swept in the first round the year he got fired just after 5 games. And the Kings missed the playoffs this year after firing him after 31 games.

The lakers made it to the playoffs after they fired Brown. They were 0-4 when he got fired.

The Kings were 13-18 with Mike brown this past season. They went 27-24 after they fired Mike brown.

Yeah but the year before they made it to the second round with Mike Brown.

The Kings still didn’t have a better record than they did with him overall.

[Capn'O]

One thing this whole saga has made clear is this is not an indictment on Thibs the Coach. They just didn't like him anymore personally.

not a great reason to fire someone

I would argue that the bigger issue is "we like the guy" is an even worse reason to hire someone.

[BKlutch]

We all can use a handy in our lives...

We can all look forward to a coach who has learned the lesson a wise man posted on this board:
"If you'd rather see your team fail so you can be right...you are a fan of your opinion not the team."

Brown will adapt to the players and what works. I don't think that was true before. I'm really rooting for him and the team to succeed.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Counter point to this is that Thibs hasn't had success outside of Rose and Brunson, which i wouldn't hold against Tom. I don't think having LeBron should be a knock against Mike either, you can't win without talent.

Look at Jordi Fernandez, people here are giving him the credit for Sacramento's offense but he just coached the Nets to the 2nd worst offense and defense in the league, but no one can hold that against him because his best player was literally Cam Thomas, and he got hurt.

I think for me, I gotta focus on how Mike's past offensive and defensive systems will fit this roster.

Who gave Jordi credit? Not me. As for the Nets, it was a tank. Pop wasn't doing any better with that team. Come on bro. I can see you! I said there was circumstantial evidence to suggest his AHC was a big part of that success. That waa according to talk from SAC fans.

My big miss in year 3 was DeRozan. It still doesn't change the fact that he lost the locker room according to reports but, he was thrown a curveball there.

Well, my point is I see very little to gain from nitpicking Mike's record because of LeBron. We could say this about every coach with a winning career record. That's why I brought up Jordi. You can't win without dogs.

I'm not nitpicking his record. I'm giving it context because people are acting like his record excuses all criticism. I am engaging in the conversation from a realistic approach. Looking deeper than raw numbers. Trying to make sense of who he is as a HC. It may come off as skeptical but, I'm just being practical. His last job matters a hell of a lot more than the championships he won as an assistant 20 years ago. It also matters more than his W/L records with HOF/GOAT level players on those teams. This team may be better than that SAC team but, it doesn't have HOF/GOAT talent either. Kinda seems relevant to me.

As of right now we simply changed HC. So is the current staff as good as the staff he had in SAC? That's the current situation. Like I said earlier in the discussion, I need to wait until the dust clears but, having an open discussion to me is ultimately to get all views and form an opinion based on that collective. I'm not here trying to win arguments until my words get twisted and I need to correct that nonsense. I'm here to get more insight on the team and grow my perspective/opinion from that. It's not a competition for me.

In the end, this hire wasn't what I wanted but, I am not losing my mind. I just have concerns that things haven't really changed enough yet for me to be comfortable going into next season with any championship aspirations. When the staff and roster are in place and we see how they look, I'm hoping all my concerns are gone. I know things weren't gonna change under Thibs so. I'm ok with the firing if things change going forward.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Jalen Bluntson]

Apparently thinking what's being said isn't trash is

Apparently you can't read. wanna get banned together for derailing the thread? Sounds like fun! Or you can just stop now and don't lie about me ever again. Valid points are not trash. Deal with it and move on if you can't have an adult conversation.

You do this all the time with so many posters...don't you ever get tired of it?

I do get tired of fighting with people who twist words and act like they won some argument or can clown people over something that was never said. Again. You are derailing the thread and I am done correcting you. Good day sir.

this is how you derail AND backseat moderate at the same damn time. -JVG

[stuporman]

We all can use a handy in our lives...

We can all look forward to a coach who has learned the lesson a wise man posted on this board:
"If you'd rather see your team fail so you can be right...you are a fan of your opinion not the team."

Brown will adapt to the players and what works. I don't think that was true before. I'm really rooting for him and the team to succeed.

I appreciate the kind words...

I didn't get to make the choice and while he may not be my choice or the most exciting choice out there his track record suggests he will at least be competent enough to compare to what Thibs was doing.

His track record suggests he's adaptable enough to use the players to their potential and abilities. It also suggests he accepts input from others to produce some of the most effective schemes and game plans to use the talent.

The bar is set so high that there's only one outcome that constitutes success for him and that's finals with a title changing his legacy as a coach and cementing him as a legend in NY. Just getting conference finals is a 'failure' in the eyes of observers and possibly even in the franchise.

They didn't ask my input or opinion when making the choice so all I can do is want the Knicks to accomplish what we've all be waiting for. He definitely isn't an inspiring hire in my perception but neither was Thibs, either, yet here we are.

[Pr0nzingis]

Hate? Stop being typical with your over the top condescendion.

Jackson won championships with Jordan and Kobe. Kerr with Curry. Pops with Duncan. Riley with Magic/Shaq. Did you have a point related to anything I said? No.

Just pointing out that if you look deeper than the fluffy resumé there are reasons not to like the hire. He's been fired 4 times and lost locker rooms more than once. So has Thibs. The difference needs to be that Brown isn't a rigid douche who fails to adjust.

If you follow the board/discussion you kinda see me talking myself through this emotional crisis. Don't be such a dick!!

Whats thibs resume without Rose and Brunson? Let me google it real quick... "Tom Thibodeau has a 63% win percentage when he has Derrick Rose on the roster. Without Rose, Thibs has a 46% win percentage."

Really? well thats it than, using the same logic Thibs is absolute garbage. Thanks for the argument. Lets move on.

Please ignore it for the third time. it will be hilarious.

You clearly aren't paying attention. Please do so next time.

oh i've been paying attention, i noticed how u ignored how i completly destroyed your ridiculous argument and then had the nerve to ask people to make points related to what u said.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Please ignore it for the third time. it will be hilarious.

You clearly aren't paying attention. Please do so next time.

oh i've been paying attention, i noticed how u ignored how i completly destroyed your ridiculous argument and then had the nerve to ask people to make points related to what u said.

None of that happened. Now go away.