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[djFan71]

Livingston got released, so I don't know if there's a Niang deal left.

Simons, Tillman and a 26 2nd for Kuzma and their 27 first.

Sounds horrible at first. And second. And third. But about the 8th, 9th time, it starts sounding less bad. Bucks get badly needed guard scoring and an emergency big / possible 10-11th man. Cs get a first and save $7M. Then just hope nobody notices the difference as he slides in for Tatum.

doesnt sound less bad, only worse because they dont own 2027 1st. earliest first they can trade is 2031

Yeah, I started reading on that 27 dual swaps with top 4 protection and gave up when fanspo let me trade it, lol.
Make it 2031 then and a compensating 2031 2nd from BOS.

I don't it's worth a full 1st to do the trade for MIL. But I also don't think just a 2nd back for BOS is enough, so decided on the 1st out / 2nd in for MIL.

[jayjaysee]

Livingston got released, so I don't know if there's a Niang deal left.

Tyler Smith and Andre Jackson Jr were the two I was talking about.

New matching rules mean they can be 200% plus 250K. So enough for Niang.

But considering they were both recent early 2nd rounders, I don’t know if I’m off base and the team really likes them and just didn’t play them much because they were trying to contend.

I don’t think Milwaukee should trade their last first for Simons. But if it’s very well protected (10-14 range) then maybe it’s worth getting desperate?

Haven’t tracked Milwaukee’s tax space, but depending on how it’s looking you could do Simons+Tillman(+Niang) for Kuzma(+Smith+Jackson). Which trims 12~ mil for Boston this season.

Would try that mixed with some double layed swaps and try to keep the 2031 first out of it..

[parsnips33]

Horford gonna be so high on my list of most hated players if this goes down how I think it's gonna go down

[HornetJail]

I absolutely love Horford's fit in Denver

[djFan71]

Livingston got released, so I don't know if there's a Niang deal left.

Tyler Smith and Andre Jackson Jr were the two I was talking about.

New matching rules mean they can be 200% plus 250K. So enough for Niang.

But considering they were both recent early 2nd rounders, I don’t know if I’m off base and the team really likes them and just didn’t play them much because they were trying to contend.

I don’t think Milwaukee should trade their last first for Simons. But if it’s very well protected (10-14 range) then maybe it’s worth getting desperate?

Haven’t tracked Milwaukee’s tax space, but depending on how it’s looking you could do Simons+Tillman(+Niang) for Kuzma(+Smith+Jackson). Which trims 12~ mil for Boston this season.

Would try that mixed with some double layed swaps and try to keep the 2031 first out of it..

Yeah, I agree. MIL should hold that first for a more significant move. Maybe just swap rights on 2030 after the POR swap is over. No second from BOS to MIL.

I do like the Niang trade as well, just didn't think he could pull Jackson. Smith, I'm with you - IDK his value. But Jackson > Niang already I think. So without Livingston, it gets tough, imo.

[jayjaysee]

Livingston got released, so I don't know if there's a Niang deal left.

Tyler Smith and Andre Jackson Jr were the two I was talking about.

New matching rules mean they can be 200% plus 250K. So enough for Niang.

But considering they were both recent early 2nd rounders, I don’t know if I’m off base and the team really likes them and just didn’t play them much because they were trying to contend.

I don’t think Milwaukee should trade their last first for Simons. But if it’s very well protected (10-14 range) then maybe it’s worth getting desperate?

Haven’t tracked Milwaukee’s tax space, but depending on how it’s looking you could do Simons+Tillman(+Niang) for Kuzma(+Smith+Jackson). Which trims 12~ mil for Boston this season.

Would try that mixed with some double layed swaps and try to keep the 2031 first out of it..

Yeah, I agree. MIL should hold that first for a more significant move. Maybe just swap rights on 2030 after the POR swap is over. No second from BOS to MIL.

I do like the Niang trade as well, just didn't think he could pull Jackson. Smith, I'm with you - IDK his value. But Jackson > Niang already I think. So without Livingston, it gets tough, imo.

I * thought Boston owed minor value to get two low end prospects and trim 5-6 mil (once you backfill roster spot).. and then thought Mil could shop that value/Niang for Ayo..

But if those prospects are loved, then it is a bad idea in general.

And if those prospects looked so lost that they hold no value, then it’s not worth paying much at all for Boston.

[zimpy27]

Some swell towards a Beal buyout and stretch/waive seem to be occurring.

Beal would be a good target for a few teams honestly.

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[Astaluego]

Some swell towards a Beal buyout and stretch/waive seem to be occurring.

Beal would be a good target for a few teams honestly.

Beal on the Bucks and they would look dangerous.

[In-N-Out 247]

Some swell towards a Beal buyout and stretch/waive seem to be occurring.

Beal would be a good target for a few teams honestly.

Wasn’t there someone on here that said there is a max amount of dead money a team can have on their cap. I don’t recall who said that or how much, but does that sound right to those of you that know this cap stuff?

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Some swell towards a Beal buyout and stretch/waive seem to be occurring.

Beal would be a good target for a few teams honestly.

Wasn’t there someone on here that said there is a max amount of dead money a team can have on their cap. I don’t recall who said that or how much, but does that sound right to those of you that know this cap stuff?

Think it’s 15 percent of the cap. But they stretched two players last year. So Beal needs to give back 12 million of the rest of his contract.

[jayjaysee]

Some swell towards a Beal buyout and stretch/waive seem to be occurring.

Beal would be a good target for a few teams honestly.

Wasn’t there someone on here that said there is a max amount of dead money a team can have on their cap. I don’t recall who said that or how much, but does that sound right to those of you that know this cap stuff?

Edit - someone did the math.
Beal would have to give up a lot of money (didn’t do math but say 10-25 mil range?)

Or Phoenix would not actually waive and stretch, they’d delay it. Just waive then only stretch the final year.

[zimpy27]

Some swell towards a Beal buyout and stretch/waive seem to be occurring.

Beal would be a good target for a few teams honestly.

Wasn’t there someone on here that said there is a max amount of dead money a team can have on their cap. I don’t recall who said that or how much, but does that sound right to those of you that know this cap stuff?

Edit - someone did the math.
Beal would have to give up a lot of money (didn’t do math but say 10-25 mil range?)

Or Phoenix would not actually waive and stretch, they’d delay it. Just waive then only stretch the final year.

I did the math somewhere here and it was about $13-14m that Beal needed to give back. $97m buyout max could be stretched I believe.

[mademan]

Beal in Milwaukee would be exciting, but if JV does go overseas, i can see Denver making a lot of sense too. He'd still get starter minutes playing behind and with Murray, and playing off Jokic can make him look great.

[Astaluego]

Beal in Milwaukee would be exciting, but if JV does go overseas, i can see Denver making a lot of sense too. He'd still get starter minutes playing behind and with Murray, and playing off Jokic can make him look great.

It will depend on how he returns from his injury and defense alongside Murray would be a big concern, for sure... but I like Lillard in Denver with Jokic, I think Dame could have a feast and really retire with a ring.

[Mavrelous]

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[Mavrelous]

Interesting that they chose to start the repeater clock this year

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But I think paying tax + having Tyus > not paying tax.

[Godaddycurse]

Interesting that they chose to start the repeater clock this year

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But I think paying tax + having Tyus > not paying tax.

if they dump bitadze on denver they can avoid the tax...

[Mavrelous]

Interesting that they chose to start the repeater clock this year

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But I think paying tax + having Tyus > not paying tax.

if they dump bitadze on denver they can avoid the tax...

Don't trust WCJ health, they need C depth IMO.

[vincecarter4pres]

Still think Kleber/Vincent/Knecht for Claxton should happen. Then the Lakers push for Horford as well. But LA won't because that's future money.

Not sure how you get Luka, still have Lebron, and want to wait 2 years to try and put the team together. Weird. Luka showed just a year ago he doesn't need that much.

Are we adding unprotected future picks?

Cause if not, I’m not seeing the allure for the Nets.

No. Claxton is probably not worth his contract. So the value is getting off the future years and a low level prospect.

But good to see fan prices in Brooklyn are still set triple retail even after the stuff that sells goes for far less.

Brooklyn just got an unprotected pick from Denver when they’re probably going to be headed into year two or three of a rebuild without their own picks, along with a player who is a wash to Cam Johnson on the court, 2 years younger, albeit on an albatross yearly amount, but double albeit for the same length of contract, that only 2 years.

Probably at least 70% of Nets fans figured this type of value for Cam J. Either one guaranteed late lotto pick this draft; or a couple likely to convey, but likely mediocre future picks; attached to either mainly expiring salary, or a decent young player on a fat undeserved contract, who can likely be reflipped for at least neutral value in the near future.

The dancing on the corpses ashes in the, “I told you so”, manner from a big chunk of fans and media is honestly pretty weird. Brooklyn did very well in this trade and right in line with expectations from fans such as myself. I’d be shocked if Jokic was still in Denver past say 2030. It’s definitely a higher value of the far out unprotected picks league-wide imho.

I’d be a little surprised if Clax doesn’t bring back similar value. Like a pick almost a lock to be in the teens in ‘26 or ‘27, or a far out unprotected pick from a risky for that team’s situation; attached to shorter so-so salary, with maybe a couple seconds, or a lower level prospect with at least a couple years of rookie scale left.