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[djsunyc]

These NBA contracts are insane. Good for the NBAPA.

Booker is good but he isn't good enough to warrant spending that much of the cap on him.

only the top players are benefitting. middle tier guys are getting screwed.

As much as my socialist heart rebels against this... this is more in line with the real drivers of success in the NBA. It's a star-driven league. The money SHOULD go to the top, and if we didn't have artificial max salaries we'd see way more of it go there.

The nice thing about the cap inflation is that fringe guys can now make life-changing money even if they only last a year or two in the league. And the middle class, as much as they are being driven towards the MLE - that MLE is now worth pretty much what the Heatles were making as superstar players, so overall there's a lot of money there for the bulk of the league even with superstar salaries driving towards their worth.

i was talking more in terms of percentage. a 25-40% raise when you make $40 mil is way different than when you make $15 mil.

[MiamiSPX]

only the top players are benefitting. middle tier guys are getting screwed.

As much as my socialist heart rebels against this... this is more in line with the real drivers of success in the NBA. It's a star-driven league. The money SHOULD go to the top, and if we didn't have artificial max salaries we'd see way more of it go there.

The nice thing about the cap inflation is that fringe guys can now make life-changing money even if they only last a year or two in the league. And the middle class, as much as they are being driven towards the MLE - that MLE is now worth pretty much what the Heatles were making as superstar players, so overall there's a lot of money there for the bulk of the league even with superstar salaries driving towards their worth.

Never understood people balking at the money superstars get.

People don’t realize how much revenue they generate for their franchises.

The superstars of the league are bringing in atleast 100M of revenue a year for their respective teams.

There is a theory backed with some numbers, that I completely subscribe to, that the likes of LeBron, Jokic and Luka are actually underpaid, relative to what they generate for their teams and the league.

Having said that, as others have said, I think the next CBA fight will be players vs players.

[HumbleRen]

As much as my socialist heart rebels against this... this is more in line with the real drivers of success in the NBA. It's a star-driven league. The money SHOULD go to the top, and if we didn't have artificial max salaries we'd see way more of it go there.

The nice thing about the cap inflation is that fringe guys can now make life-changing money even if they only last a year or two in the league. And the middle class, as much as they are being driven towards the MLE - that MLE is now worth pretty much what the Heatles were making as superstar players, so overall there's a lot of money there for the bulk of the league even with superstar salaries driving towards their worth.

Never understood people balking at the money superstars get.

People don’t realize how much revenue they generate for their franchises.

The superstars of the league are bringing in atleast 100M of revenue a year for their respective teams.

There is a theory backed with some numbers, that I completely subscribe to, that the likes of LeBron, Jokic and Luka are actually underpaid, relative to what they generate for their teams and the league.

Absolutely lol. Look at how much money SGA is bringing to the city of OKC. Ant with Minny. Etc.

Agreed on your second point. The mid tier players gotta be pissed lol. It’s reflecting the economy of real life. Middle class getting wiped out lol.

Just a bunch of dudes making pennies and extremely rich contracts.

[OakleyDokely]

Free agency is dead now and that was largely the way the middle class got paid. Before, a lot of B/C tier players would get healthy contracts during the offseason. Now, teams are investing in their core 2-3 guys and the rest of the roster is made up of mostly min players and rookie deals.

[causal_fan]

As much as my socialist heart rebels against this... this is more in line with the real drivers of success in the NBA. It's a star-driven league. The money SHOULD go to the top, and if we didn't have artificial max salaries we'd see way more of it go there.

The nice thing about the cap inflation is that fringe guys can now make life-changing money even if they only last a year or two in the league. And the middle class, as much as they are being driven towards the MLE - that MLE is now worth pretty much what the Heatles were making as superstar players, so overall there's a lot of money there for the bulk of the league even with superstar salaries driving towards their worth.

Never understood people balking at the money superstars get.

People don’t realize how much revenue they generate for their franchises.

The superstars of the league are bringing in atleast 100M of revenue a year for their respective teams.

There is a theory backed with some numbers, that I completely subscribe to, that the likes of LeBron, Jokic and Luka are actually underpaid, relative to what they generate for their teams and the league.

Having said that, as others have said, I think the next CBA fight will be players vs players.

Could you cite the numbers that says stars add significant revenue to teams that you completely subscribe to - The theory is around but I've never seen a study that supports this theory - It's like when people say the Jays/Raptors brings in so many millions to local economy but depending on how you interpret figures you can articulate differing conclusions including that those teams impact on the local economy is must less than the proponents say. I'm skeptical that most stars add a very significant impact to their respective teams as I think winning impacts team revenue much more. I'm of the view that no player should earn more than 20-25% of payroll and to spread more money to other players .

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[Gavin_TDThree]

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RJ for Demar + juicy assets

[Pointgod]

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That was such a dumbass nonsensical trade to begin with. Kangzzz gonna Kangzzzz

[Tor_Raps]

Kings just trading for everyone and then trading them away eh. Guess we'll see the same tweet next year for Lavine lol.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Caleb Houstan is a UFA and is 6'8 and can shoot it over 40% from three and we had interest in drafting him. I don't know about cap situations completely but they can waive Battle or Castleton to get him. He is still only 22 so he is bigger and two years younger than Battle and could be a crowd favorite.

Why would we waive Battle exactly?

The bigger and two years old is what he mentioned.

I like Battle though and proven to be pretty decent in spot minutes. I'd waive Castleton maybe for him, feels like we can find a Castleton player anytime we want.

He's 2cm taller and 15 lbs lighter. We can find a Houston player anytime we want, too, apparently.

[CazOnReal]

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That was such a dumbass nonsensical trade to begin with. Kangzzz gonna Kangzzzz

What was dumb was not getting their pick swap back from San Antonio in negotiations for Fox.

[WuTang_CMB]

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RJ aint getting moved lol FK

[bballsparkin]

What month did Malachi get 50 for Detroit?

I do think Grimes is a solid 2 way player though. Knicks board is split on whether Thibs misused him and hurt his confidence or he had his chances and flubbed it. Seems like he might be a late bloomer who's finally in the right place.

I like Grimes game. But the money he's seeking seems high for what he's shown so far and his draft pedigree. Doesn't hurt that he's Tyler Myers brother (Vancouver Canucks).

[bballsparkin]

Wow... surprised Clippers traded Norm after he was getting a lot of allstar love. Collins has been pretty damn good when Utah hasn't been holding him back. Think Clippers realized they needed to be bigger in the playoffs so Kawhi didnt have to play PF.

After the season LAC had last year and moving on from PG and that ugly contract I'm going to give them the benefit of doubt. Collins gets to play with two solid Centers in Zubac and Brook too. I guess Norm is the Heat's Robinson replacement?

[bobbyp3588]

Never understood people balking at the money superstars get.

People don’t realize how much revenue they generate for their franchises.

The superstars of the league are bringing in atleast 100M of revenue a year for their respective teams.

There is a theory backed with some numbers, that I completely subscribe to, that the likes of LeBron, Jokic and Luka are actually underpaid, relative to what they generate for their teams and the league.

Having said that, as others have said, I think the next CBA fight will be players vs players.

Could you cite the numbers that says stars add significant revenue to teams that you completely subscribe to - The theory is around but I've never seen a study that supports this theory - It's like when people say the Jays/Raptors brings in so many millions to local economy but depending on how you interpret figures you can articulate differing conclusions including that those teams impact on the local economy is must less than the proponents say. I'm skeptical that most stars add a very significant impact to their respective teams as I think winning impacts team revenue much more. I'm of the view that no player should earn more than 20-25% of payroll and to spread more money to other players .

I haven’t seen a study that either supports or contradicts this assertion. That said, I feel like it’s a simple matter of common sense to conclude that the “stars” most certainly are responsible for the majority of revenue. It’s the incredible plays and the larger than life personas that attract all but the most diehard of fans. You remove the 15 all-NBA talents from the league and you’ll practically kill the league. I think it really is as simple as that.

[bboyskinnylegs]

are the Clippers a likely landing spot for post-buyout Beal now?

[bballsparkin]

I don't think it's a hot take that RJ would not want to come off the bench for this team. He's a way more established player than his replacement would be and he must be eyeing his next contract. The only way I could see it happening is if the Raptors struggled off the bat and then by switching it up with RJ on the bench the team goes on a tear and fights for a top 6 position in the playoffs.

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That was such a dumbass nonsensical trade to begin with. Kangzzz gonna Kangzzzz

What was dumb was not getting their pick swap back from San Antonio in negotiations for Fox.

There’s a long list of actions related to Sacramento that you can start with “What was dumb”

[Dalek]

Why would we waive Battle exactly?

The bigger and two years old is what he mentioned.

I like Battle though and proven to be pretty decent in spot minutes. I'd waive Castleton maybe for him, feels like we can find a Castleton player anytime we want.

He's 2cm taller and 15 lbs lighter. We can find a Houston player anytime we want, too, apparently.

Not a Canadian player with potential. Houstan is a Toronto-area player which we have shown a history to prioritize and should continue to do that. This guy does play on the national team and we want players comfortable being here.

Caleb has shown an improvement in each of his three seasons, and even his advance defensive metrics are better than Battle including better steal% and dBPM. My main deciding factor is that he is a high character worker:

Magic head coach Jamahl Mosley praised Caleb Houstan’s dedication and preparation, emphasizing the young forward’s strong work ethic.

“The kid works. And I say this with no hesitation – he might be one of the hardest workers I’ve seen. This kid is in early, stays late, comes back, works on his shot… he is determined, he is focused, he’s a pro. He stays ready no matter if his number is called for two minutes or 22 minutes. He’s going to stay ready and that’s what you’ve got to love about him and the way he represents being a professional.”

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/orlando-magic/magic-news-jamahl-mosley-raves-about-caleb-houstan-work-ethic-after-breakout-performance

I read some other stuff about him how he just lives and breathes basketball and doesn't even buy clothes, he just wears the free stuff given to him.

"Before and after practice, he lives, breathes, eats, sleeps basketball," Banchero said. "He doesn't really do much else. Man doesn't even have ... freaking many clothes in his closet. He just wears all the free stuff he gets."

In an era where the rise of social media has turned the pregame tunnel walk into a fashion show of its own, Houstan – Orlando's only player without an active social media account – can be seen sporting team-issued Magic, Michigan or Team Canada gear with regularity when entering an arena.

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/basketball-obsessed-caleb-houstan-consistency-is-paying-off-for-orlando-magic-50-cent-paolo-banchero-jamahl-mosley-