2025 Summer League

[JMAC3]

Walter Clayton Jr. looked so bad on defense, at least 4 times players flew by him like he was standing still. Especially in transition. Really really worried about him on that end.

Flip was equally as bad on defense, was jumping at pump fakes from Adem Bona on the three point line, 0-2 lifetime three pointer. Flip fell for it not just once, but twice.

Ace looked good early, but Utah SL has too many mouths to feed. Collier, Flip, Bailey, Cody, Sensabaugh and Walter Clayton is too many guys.

On the flip side, VJ looked awesome as the only guy that mattered and he shot 27 times, nobody on Jazz shot more than 13 times.

[fatlever]

doubt flip and brice play too many more summer league games, especially vegas

ace gonna get his 20+ shots soon... and all next year since jazz dumped anyone over age of 23

but, for now, lots of neon green lights on that team

im sure they wanna see ace find other ways to impact. bounce back game tonight, incoming?

in other news... holy **** jaku and knecht have been bad. not great start for slow white guards. kon/liam, your turn?

[UNCNYC]

Walter Clayton Jr. looked so bad on defense, at least 4 times players flew by him like he was standing still. Especially in transition. Really really worried about him on that end.

Flip was equally as bad on defense, was jumping at pump fakes from Adem Bona on the three point line, 0-2 lifetime three pointer. Flip fell for it not just once, but twice.

Ace looked good early, but Utah SL has too many mouths to feed. Collier, Flip, Bailey, Cody, Sensabaugh and Walter Clayton is too many guys.

On the flip side, VJ looked awesome as the only guy that mattered and he shot 27 times, nobody on Jazz shot more than 13 times.

Great input J-MIZZY.


The thing about Walter Clayton's defense is he is a MATADOR defender. He will let you drive by him and *at times* SWIPE the ball away or lead to a double team or steal. He does that often which CAN be effective if you have the right persenel/roster. But can also be costly. Usually he will be in the right place come the right time of the game

So much science to defenders. Some are SINGLE COVERAGE LOCK DOWN DEFENDERS and some are MATADOR. Same in FOOTBALL you have guys that will try to take EVERYTHING away, some take away the DEEP BALL etc... Some draw you in slot etc...

[fatlever]

bumping for anyone that might have missed. took some work to compile.

Fats goes full on hornets summer league archive historian

- realgm has historical stats for all 4 summer leagues (Vegas, Utah, California, Orlando) going back to 2004. but they are separate. i cant find anywhere that it's combined across the different leagues. so... i kinda went down a rabbit hole
- i combined all 4 leagues for hornets/bobcats, combined duplicates (ex: miller played in California and Vegas, so combine his 2 rows into 1 and adding together stats)
- totals, with averages for points, rebounds, assists
- re-did averages for ppg, rpg, apg, spg, bpg, tpg, ft%, fg%, 3p%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KNgAZQebaJgDjNgJJECxkiLdRKGEWDbtOju49MiZ8_Q/edit?usp=sharing

MOST GAMES PLAYED
Kai Jones
Dwayne Bacon
Bryce McGowens
Nick Smith, Jr. *
P.J. Hairston
Arnoldas Kulboka
Sean May
Bernard Robinson
Alan Anderson
Leaky Black
Kevin Burleson
James Bouknight
Jermareo Davidson
Troy Daniels
Jerome Dyson
Alexis Ajinca

MOST TOTAL MINUTES
Dwayne Bacon
Bryce McGowens
Nick Smith, Jr. *
Kai Jones
P.J. Hairston

MOST TOTAL POINTS
Dwayne Bacon
Bryce McGowens
Sean May
P.J. Hairston
Nick Smith, Jr. *
Adam Morrison
James Bouknight
Kai Jones
Miles Bridges *
Jeffery Taylor

POINTS AVG
monk 23.0 - 1 gm
morrison 22.0 - 7 gms
augustin 19.7 - 3 gms

INTERESTING NOTES
- nsj in 14 gms, shot 35% and 28% from 3. ouch.
- ajinca in 10 gms shot 34%
- vonleh in 7 gms, shot 28%
- bouk in 10 gms, shot 27% from 3 on 55 attempts
- ammo averaged10 fta/g in his 7 gms
- briante weber had 14 steals in 5 gms
- bridges in 9 gms shot 21% from 3 on 46 attempts

top 10 guys in total shots attempted
Dwayne Bacon
Nick Smith, Jr. *
P.J. Hairston
Bryce McGowens
Sean May
James Bouknight
Miles Bridges *
Kai Jones
Aaron Harrison
Adam Morrison

my all time summer league team
kemba 2012
ammo 2006
taylor 2013
may 2006
zeller 2013

hm
augustin 2008
matt morgan 2024
hernagomez 2018

[UNCNYC]

Watching the OKC vs SIXERS GAME. No way AJ Mitchell wasn't the best PG in that draft. Dude is savvvy

[wilson115]

Sucks VJ isn't playing. Oh well.

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[GiggitySmalls]

Sucks VJ isn't playing. Oh well.

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Yeah turned on ESPN they said he wasn't playing with the thumb contusion, and flipped the channel.

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[GiggitySmalls]

I enjoy summer league to see the top prospects and 2nd year players play, but I have no idea why people watch for nobodies who will be lifelong gleague maximum 10 day contract dudes. Alot of people talking about people who will never matter in the basketball space of the NBA. That's a Hornets fan problem. We have sucked forever we accept it and root for nobodies who will be nothing at an NBA level.

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[wilson115]

Yeah turned on ESPN they said he wasn't playing with the thumb contusion, and flipped the channel.

Topic's a lot more aggressive tonight though. Looks like OKC's done it again.

[UNCNYC]

Will Richard was so opposite of Walter Clayton on defense lol. Clayton is a matador and Richard is the DOOR lol.

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[JustBuzzin]

Passing on Ace was so stupid lol

Future 20+ppg scorer. You can look at him and tell once he settles down with the bad shot selection he's gonna cook in this league.

He honestly looks like a better prospect than Miller at this point during their career. Miller didn't have this kind of explosion this kid has. He's a good rebounder to be so slim.

Hornets always screwing up picks.

[MPM]

So, there's a guy named Phlandrous Fleming on MEM which I like to read as Philanderous Phlegmy. This is all I need from a rando summer league game.

[Diop]

bumping for anyone that might have missed. took some work to compile.

Fats goes full on hornets summer league archive historian

- realgm has historical stats for all 4 summer leagues (Vegas, Utah, California, Orlando) going back to 2004. but they are separate. i cant find anywhere that it's combined across the different leagues. so... i kinda went down a rabbit hole
- i combined all 4 leagues for hornets/bobcats, combined duplicates (ex: miller played in California and Vegas, so combine his 2 rows into 1 and adding together stats)
- totals, with averages for points, rebounds, assists
- re-did averages for ppg, rpg, apg, spg, bpg, tpg, ft%, fg%, 3p%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KNgAZQebaJgDjNgJJECxkiLdRKGEWDbtOju49MiZ8_Q/edit?usp=sharing

MOST GAMES PLAYED
Kai Jones
Dwayne Bacon
Bryce McGowens
Nick Smith, Jr. *
P.J. Hairston
Arnoldas Kulboka
Sean May
Bernard Robinson
Alan Anderson
Leaky Black
Kevin Burleson
James Bouknight
Jermareo Davidson
Troy Daniels
Jerome Dyson
Alexis Ajinca

MOST TOTAL MINUTES
Dwayne Bacon
Bryce McGowens
Nick Smith, Jr. *
Kai Jones
P.J. Hairston

MOST TOTAL POINTS
Dwayne Bacon
Bryce McGowens
Sean May
P.J. Hairston
Nick Smith, Jr. *
Adam Morrison
James Bouknight
Kai Jones
Miles Bridges *
Jeffery Taylor

POINTS AVG
monk 23.0 - 1 gm
morrison 22.0 - 7 gms
augustin 19.7 - 3 gms

INTERESTING NOTES
- nsj in 14 gms, shot 35% and 28% from 3. ouch.
- ajinca in 10 gms shot 34%
- vonleh in 7 gms, shot 28%
- bouk in 10 gms, shot 27% from 3 on 55 attempts
- ammo averaged10 fta/g in his 7 gms
- briante weber had 14 steals in 5 gms
- bridges in 9 gms shot 21% from 3 on 46 attempts

top 10 guys in total shots attempted
Dwayne Bacon
Nick Smith, Jr. *
P.J. Hairston
Bryce McGowens
Sean May
James Bouknight
Miles Bridges *
Kai Jones
Aaron Harrison
Adam Morrison

my all time summer league team
kemba 2012
ammo 2006
taylor 2013
may 2006
zeller 2013

hm
augustin 2008
matt morgan 2024
hernagomez 2018

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[EmpireFalls]

Passing on Ace was so stupid lol

Future 20+ppg scorer. You can look at him and tell once he settles down with the bad shot selection he's gonna cook in this league.

He honestly looks like a better prospect than Miller at this point during their career. Miller didn't have this kind of explosion this kid has. He's a good rebounder to be so slim.

Hornets always screwing up picks.

What worries more than Ace is Cam Spencer, on the other team sinking every 3 and looking amazing off-ball. He was #53 in last year’s draft.

[yosemiteben]

Passing on Ace was so stupid lol

Future 20+ppg scorer. You can look at him and tell once he settles down with the bad shot selection he's gonna cook in this league.

He honestly looks like a better prospect than Miller at this point during their career. Miller didn't have this kind of explosion this kid has. He's a good rebounder to be so slim.

Hornets always screwing up picks.

What worries more than Ace is Cam Spencer, on the other team sinking every 3 and looking amazing off-ball. He was #53 in last year’s draft.

Why does the 53 pick in last year's draft making 3s in summer league worry you?

[JustBuzzin]

Seriously this is pissing me off

We literally had a chance to pair Ace and Miller 2 athletic wings who can both score. Passing on Acen because of character concerns and taking a unathletic shooter is just something only the Hornets would ever do.

Hell if he didn't want to be here we could have used him as a trade piece to get something better back then Kon.

Why us!

[Diop]

Passing on Ace was so stupid lol

Future 20+ppg scorer. You can look at him and tell once he settles down with the bad shot selection he's gonna cook in this league.

He honestly looks like a better prospect than Miller at this point during their career. Miller didn't have this kind of explosion this kid has. He's a good rebounder to be so slim.

Hornets always screwing up picks.

What worries more than Ace is Cam Spencer, on the other team sinking every 3 and looking amazing off-ball. He was #53 in last year’s draft.

Why does the 53 pick in last year's draft making 3s in summer league worry you?

im more annoyed that we picked Noah Vonleh and PJ Hairston over Nikola Jokic. So stupid! Sell the team already.

( I have decided this is how I'm going to respond to the "we should have drafted....." comments that continue to come in )

[Heelsfan119]

Passing on Ace was so stupid lol

Future 20+ppg scorer. You can look at him and tell once he settles down with the bad shot selection he's gonna cook in this league.

He honestly looks like a better prospect than Miller at this point during their career. Miller didn't have this kind of explosion this kid has. He's a good rebounder to be so slim.

Hornets always screwing up picks.

I’m more apt to see if he can do it against real pros. Miller and Ace are different players. Miller is the better shooter. Ace the better athlete. My advice: don’t get so caught up by summer league games either way.

[EmpireFalls]

Passing on Ace was so stupid lol

Future 20+ppg scorer. You can look at him and tell once he settles down with the bad shot selection he's gonna cook in this league.

He honestly looks like a better prospect than Miller at this point during their career. Miller didn't have this kind of explosion this kid has. He's a good rebounder to be so slim.

Hornets always screwing up picks.

What worries more than Ace is Cam Spencer, on the other team sinking every 3 and looking amazing off-ball. He was #53 in last year’s draft.

Why does the 53 pick in last year's draft making 3s in summer league worry you?

Because we spent pick #4 on that exact player.

[JustBuzzin]

Passing on Ace was so stupid lol

Future 20+ppg scorer. You can look at him and tell once he settles down with the bad shot selection he's gonna cook in this league.

He honestly looks like a better prospect than Miller at this point during their career. Miller didn't have this kind of explosion this kid has. He's a good rebounder to be so slim.

Hornets always screwing up picks.

I’m more apt to see if he can do it against real pros. Miller and Ace are different players. Miller is the better shooter. Ace the better athlete. My advice: don’t get so caught up by summer league games either way.

He was the BPA my comment has nothing to do with summer league. It's the fact we passed on the BPA because of character concerns.