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Re: PF targets 

Post#801 » by the_l_train » Tue Jul 8, 2025 12:00 am

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ComboGuardCity wrote:I really think Grant is who this exception is being created for. If we can absorb Grant and an asset for the TPE that would be an A+ offseason imo.


Jerami? What would we do with him?


This thread is PF targets…and every time a PF target is mentioned, someone jumps in and acts like there is no possible way to make the minutes work.

It’s our biggest hole. If we can fill it with Jerami Grant, that’s great. If someones feeling get hurt when they don’t get enough minutes, we deal with it then.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#802 » by MotownMadness » Tue Jul 8, 2025 12:02 am

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tmorgan wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:I really think Grant is who this exception is being created for. If we can absorb Grant and an asset for the TPE that would be an A+ offseason imo.


Jerami? What would we do with him?


This thread is PF targets…and every time a PF target is mentioned, someone jumps in and acts like there is no possible way to make the minutes work.

It’s our biggest hole. If we can fill it with Jerami Grant, that’s great. If someones feeling get hurt when they don’t get enough minutes, we deal with it then.

Dudes got like 3/100 left on his deal. How can we take that albatross on while having contact extensions of our own to worry about?
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Re: PF targets 

Post#803 » by tmorgan » Tue Jul 8, 2025 12:25 am

Besides the huge contract, Jerami’s a sorry excuse for a PF anyway. He can’t rebound and never has. There are PFs he can handle defensively, but not quite a few of them. Anyone with real strength will bully Grant.

I don’t think we’re going that direction. We need some bulk and height.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#804 » by Piston Pete » Tue Jul 8, 2025 1:58 am

Revisit DeAndre Hunter?

Could we get him with the TPE?

Cavs are in the lux tax, would save them double Hunter’s salary. Just not sure if his salary is attainable with the TPE
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Re: PF targets 

Post#805 » by GreekAlex » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:04 am

Piston Pete wrote:Revisit DeAndre Hunter?

Could we get him with the TPE?

Cavs are in the lux tax, would save them double Hunter’s salary. Just not sure if his salary is attainable with the TPE


Not another SF/ wing that can’t defend Bigs.

He’s injured prone and fragile.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#806 » by the_l_train » Tue Jul 8, 2025 3:16 am

tmorgan wrote:Besides the huge contract, Jerami’s a sorry excuse for a PF anyway. He can’t rebound and never has. There are PFs he can handle defensively, but not quite a few of them. Anyone with real strength will bully Grant.

I don’t think we’re going that direction. We need some bulk and height.


If rebounding, bulk and height is all that matters, wouldn’t we just shoehorn Bball Paul or Beef Stew in at PF and call it a day?

Jerami is perfectly fine as a backup 4 in this stage of his career. If Tobias gets hurt, we are in deep ****. Given the current options and fact that most of the PF targets have dried up, we would be lucky to get a player like Jerami.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#807 » by tmorgan » Tue Jul 8, 2025 3:23 am

the_l_train wrote:
tmorgan wrote:Besides the huge contract, Jerami’s a sorry excuse for a PF anyway. He can’t rebound and never has. There are PFs he can handle defensively, but not quite a few of them. Anyone with real strength will bully Grant.

I don’t think we’re going that direction. We need some bulk and height.


If rebounding, bulk and height is all that matters, wouldn’t we just shoehorn Bball Paul or Beef Stew in at PF and call it a day?

Jerami is perfectly fine as a backup 4 in this stage of his career. If Tobias gets hurt, we are in deep ****. Given the current options and fact that most of the PF targets have dried up, we would be lucky to get a player like Jerami.


I imagine Reed will indeed play some PF, for some reason I keep forgetting about him. We gave him a decent amount of money to stay, certainly wasn’t the minimum.

We just can’t afford to pay Jerami Grant that much money for what we need him for. Dude has 3/103 left on his deal, sir. That’s just not palatable for Detroit. I’m sure Portland would give him away for free if they could. He shot 37% from the field last year.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#808 » by Kilo » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:36 am

I think the eventually PF needs to be a 4/5 more than a 3/4, but maybe a 4/3 would be the best case - a bigger guy who is more a pure 4 but has the skills to play some bully ball 3.
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Post#809 » by thesack12 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 12:19 pm

Wow, people are still pining for Jerami Grant?

Dude has NEVER been a needle mover. In fact, the trend that follows him around is his former teams actually get better after he leaves.

He's not even putting out those rosey looking box scores anymore, he was TERRIBLE last season.

He's missed 145 games in the last 5 years, an average of 29 missed games/season. His high water mark in that span is only 63 games played in a season. In other words he can't stay healthy.

On top of all this, the guy now costs 30+ mil/year for the next 3 seasons.

I'll never understand the fascination with that guy.

Jerami Grant should FIRMLY be on the do not touch list.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#810 » by Kalamazoo317 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 1:57 pm

TPE is like $14 million something, right? So we could get a $30 million + player for that. And it can't be combined with other contracts in a trade, so we'd have to make other moves to free up that much money.

I still like Grant as a player, but $30 million + for a back up is non-tennable.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#811 » by pistons4ever » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:42 pm

For me PJWashington and Brogdon would make this offseason great

Duren Stewart Reed
Washington Harris Klintman
Thompson Robinson Holland
Ivey Levert Lanier
Cunningham Brogdon Sasser
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Post#812 » by zeebneeb » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:47 pm

pistons4ever wrote:For me PJWashington and Brogdon would make this offseason great

Duren Stewart Reed
Washington Harris Klintman
Thompson Robinson Holland
Ivey Levert Lanier
Cunningham Brogdon Sasser
PJ is the absolute perfect fit for this team. Langdon has to make it happen. He fits perfectly into the TPE, and 1st round picks can be used.

Cade/LeVert
Ivey/Robinson
Ausar/Holland
PJ/Harris
Duren/Stewart

Dallas will bite if you start stacking 1st rounders. Don't have to send another player back either. This team is ready to compete for a title, right now.

GET IT DONE LANGDON.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#813 » by Piston Pete » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:59 pm

Another hit name from a couple offseasons ago - Grant Williams?

Could get him for the TPE
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Re: PF targets 

Post#814 » by aad » Tue Jul 8, 2025 3:48 pm

Paul reed can get the backup pf minutes
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Re: PF targets 

Post#815 » by theBigLip » Tue Jul 8, 2025 3:53 pm

Kuminga? Toppin? Rui? Eason?

Every player has some warts, but we really need someone stronger for a backup PF. And what if Tobias goes down?

I guess right now we have Ausar/Stewart/Reed as our backup PF?

Need to turn that TPE into something.
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Post#816 » by DET_Athletics » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:07 pm

The one year we don't have the 5th pick, Ace Bailey is looking exactly like the player we need to complete our starting 5.

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Re: PF targets 

Post#817 » by Mr Peanut » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:03 pm

theBigLip wrote:Kuminga? Toppin? Rui? Eason?

Every player has some warts, but we really need someone stronger for a backup PF. And what if Tobias goes down?

I guess right now we have Ausar/Stewart/Reed as our backup PF?

Need to turn that TPE into something.


Unfortunately some on this board argue against adding rotation players as they seem to have this belief that our 9 main guys will be entirely healthy for the 82 games. When most of us know that will never happen.

I think PJ Washington would be a prime candidate to fit into the TPE. We can't rely on a 33y/o Tobias to be our sole true PF next season.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#818 » by Canadafan » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:38 pm

Mr Peanut wrote:
theBigLip wrote:Kuminga? Toppin? Rui? Eason?

Every player has some warts, but we really need someone stronger for a backup PF. And what if Tobias goes down?

I guess right now we have Ausar/Stewart/Reed as our backup PF?

Need to turn that TPE into something.


Unfortunately some on this board argue against adding rotation players as they seem to have this belief that our 9 main guys will be entirely healthy for the 82 games. When most of us know that will never happen.

I think PJ Washington would be a prime candidate to fit into the TPE. We can't rely on a 33y/o Tobias to be our sole true PF next season.


Id luv him too but I just can't see Dallas.letting him go when they're trying to win
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Post#819 » by zeebneeb » Tue Jul 8, 2025 6:21 pm

Canadafan wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:
theBigLip wrote:Kuminga? Toppin? Rui? Eason?

Every player has some warts, but we really need someone stronger for a backup PF. And what if Tobias goes down?

I guess right now we have Ausar/Stewart/Reed as our backup PF?

Need to turn that TPE into something.


Unfortunately some on this board argue against adding rotation players as they seem to have this belief that our 9 main guys will be entirely healthy for the 82 games. When most of us know that will never happen.

I think PJ Washington would be a prime candidate to fit into the TPE. We can't rely on a 33y/o Tobias to be our sole true PF next season.


Id luv him too but I just can't see Dallas.letting him go when they're trying to win
I absolutely guarantee that if you throw 1sts, and 2nds at Dallas, they will bite. It all depends on how one values PJ Washington. He is a perfect fit to me, as the team can keep Harris. Keep adding until it gets done. Dallas has a shiny new rookie coming in, and PJ is essentially a backup for them. Throw in Bobi Klintman as well.

To me the future firsts only have value in a trade. PJ is a perfect blend of defense, shooting, switchability, and demeanor. It also helps he went to the finals with Luka, a player Cade is very similar to as well, and understands the assignment. He also has a protector sensibility, shown in a very iconic clip with him and Luka.

PJ or bust. Dallas ain't competing for a title this year, they know it, and everyone knows it.
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Re: PF targets 

Post#820 » by Mr Peanut » Tue Jul 8, 2025 8:53 pm

Canadafan wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:
theBigLip wrote:Kuminga? Toppin? Rui? Eason?

Every player has some warts, but we really need someone stronger for a backup PF. And what if Tobias goes down?

I guess right now we have Ausar/Stewart/Reed as our backup PF?

Need to turn that TPE into something.


Unfortunately some on this board argue against adding rotation players as they seem to have this belief that our 9 main guys will be entirely healthy for the 82 games. When most of us know that will never happen.

I think PJ Washington would be a prime candidate to fit into the TPE. We can't rely on a 33y/o Tobias to be our sole true PF next season.


Id luv him too but I just can't see Dallas.letting him go when they're trying to win


He's in a contract year and I'm sure him and his agent are aware that his minutes/role is likely to diminish given the Mavs crowded frontcourt. We have a guaranteed significant role available and potential starting spot if he outplayed Tobias.

I'd offer a young prospect like Sasser or Klintman and a boatload of seconds. At most a top 10 to lottery protected first (if we're trading a first though we would need some sort of assurance that he would re-sign with us).

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