2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

[greg4012]

Trading him to the Lakers for Rui and a late first does nothing for us. Might as well just keep him and see if we can’t get anything from him this season

It gives Miami a first and maximizes optionality with cap space next offseason. Suddenly having 4(?) tradeable FRPs and maximum+ cap space in 2026 while still having Bam, Herro, Mitchell, Ware, Jovic, Jaime, and Pelle under contract is a pretty sweet place to be.

It's a lot more enticing of a proposition if interesting contract extension decisions are made by impending FAs on other teams in August.

[Vertical Limit]

We can always hold Wiggins until the deadline and see if the offers increase. I do like the thought of the Heat playing hardball in this situation with Wiggins, and the signs are pointing to the Heat FO will attempt to get as many assets as possible for this. Trading him for a 1st at least is the main priority in my eyes.

Unless Wiggins had some behind the scenes drama issues i wouldnt be in a rush to trade him either. He is still a veteran champ that may inspire some of the youngins during the season. If he is healthy our defense should be insane too

Starting to think it might be somethings behind the scenes as some have speculated.

The other thing to remember is the Wiggins is very high maintenance in the sense that to get the best of him you need to mentally hype him constantly like a child with adhd and hope that the time, the sun and the moon are aligned for him to play up to expectations. Basically the antithesis of what a Heat type player is or was. If he is not getting motivated he is perfectly fine with just showing up to collect a paycheck.

Its crazy to think that he needs that to fire him up… i remember the defense he had on luka in the playoffs on gsw last championship run… he locked up luka 1 on 1.. luka couldnt handle his length.. he also was explosive driving to the rim.. that performance earned him the contract he is on right now….

Hes a valuable asset still in my opinion.. and if things go as predicted.. he will be traded by the deadline to the highest bidding contender

[CrossOver]

Read on Twitter

[Vertical Limit]

Read on Twitter

Wizards are on their own youth movement.. marcus smart is leaving soon..

[ZoStrong]

No one’s measuring dicks, you all just get upset when people tell you the truth about Herro or the front office. You have the fan favorite because he’s flashy and I guess reminds people of Vanilla Ice or something and then the man a section of Heat fans revere as a god so it will be controversial to call out their shortcomings. I mean you’re on here trying justify him being the best player, let’s put them on the market and see the return lol. It will be massively lopsided but I’m 100% down to trade both.

Again, are you responding to twitter/reddit or people here? What poster here claimed Herro has more trade value than Bam? How is he a fan favorite on this board when nobody wants to max him (or would do it grudgingly if at all), almost nobody thinks he's better than Bam, and he's constantly discussed as the guy to deal for a real star?

I get that there's idiots in other places who like players for dumb reasons, but that discussion doesn't really matter here, and why bring it here if the point of realgm is to get away from that type of low brow crap?

I appreciate that you regularly update us with posts from twitter, but at the same time I think you're letting the talking points there spill over into your posting here, and creating strawmen and enemies where they don't exist. And it's causing you to overly diminish guys like Herro, when if anything you should be appreciating him as both an asset (he's definitely got positive value in the league right now even if it's not as high as we'd want it to be) and a guy who actually has very good chemistry with your favorite player on the court (with Duncan gone he's the only competent lob thrower until Jovic gets more consistent or the rook proves himself).

Side note, but I always found it interesting how even though Jimmy traditionally was the better passer and much higher BBIQ player (gap closed last year somewhat), he never had good chemistry with Bam, and Tyler worked much better with him. For whatever reason Herro and Bam have always clicked well together.

How can you argue with the the "truth" teller?
When everything he says is THE TRUTH? lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

No one’s measuring dicks, you all just get upset when people tell you the truth about Herro or the front office. You have the fan favorite because he’s flashy and I guess reminds people of Vanilla Ice or something and then the man a section of Heat fans revere as a god so it will be controversial to call out their shortcomings. I mean you’re on here trying justify him being the best player, let’s put them on the market and see the return lol. It will be massively lopsided but I’m 100% down to trade both.

Again, are you responding to twitter/reddit or people here? What poster here claimed Herro has more trade value than Bam? How is he a fan favorite on this board when nobody wants to max him (or would do it grudgingly if at all), almost nobody thinks he's better than Bam, and he's constantly discussed as the guy to deal for a real star?

I get that there's idiots in other places who like players for dumb reasons, but that discussion doesn't really matter here, and why bring it here if the point of realgm is to get away from that type of low brow crap?

I appreciate that you regularly update us with posts from twitter, but at the same time I think you're letting the talking points there spill over into your posting here, and creating strawmen and enemies where they don't exist. And it's causing you to overly diminish guys like Herro, when if anything you should be appreciating him as both an asset (he's definitely got positive value in the league right now even if it's not as high as we'd want it to be) and a guy who actually has very good chemistry with your favorite player on the court (with Duncan gone he's the only competent lob thrower until Jovic gets more consistent or the rook proves himself).

Side note, but I always found it interesting how even though Jimmy traditionally was the better passer and much higher BBIQ player (gap closed last year somewhat), he never had good chemistry with Bam, and Tyler worked much better with him. For whatever reason Herro and Bam have always clicked well together.

How can you argue with the the "truth" teller?
When everything he says is THE TRUTH? lol

I’m wrong all the time, I’m just smarter than you and that’s ok. Amazon needs their CEO and they need their delivery men, we all play our roles.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

3B might be a bigger fan of me than I am Bam or the Heat tbh. This guy wakes up and posts about me daily, come up for air little buddy. You might disagree with me but one thing I don’t do is come on here spreading lies, you think I just randomly knew you posted on PSD and got banned lol? I guess I’m just telling half truths about you. Let me know if Dion missed any details in his message or if you don’t get this one.

[twix2500]

Read on Twitter

[Beenie]

Pass on Smart

I havent watched him in a while, but the idea of him chucking ill advised 3's doesnt sound appealing

[HeatFan_NC]

Read on Twitter

We might be stuck with him

No biggie.

Just get rid of Rozier and Im super happy bout this offseason.

MIN and MIL both need a PG. Rozier could help either of them. Make a deal, Riles!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Pass on Smart

I havent watched him in a while, but the idea of him chucking ill advised 3's doesnt sound appealing

I’ll take just about anyone over Terry at this point but last I saw of Smart he was looking fat. He might’ve given up after Boston traded him.

[MartyCONLONNN]

3B might be a bigger fan of me than I am Bam or the Heat tbh. This guy wakes up and posts about me daily, come up for air little buddy. You might disagree with me but one thing I don’t do is come on here spreading lies, you think I just randomly knew you posted on PSD and got banned lol? I guess I’m just telling half truths about you. Let me know if Dion missed any details in his message or if you don’t get this one.

dont let the haters get to you. the ones who use a sports forum to attack ppl (fake insiders are an exception to me lol) are the ones with troubled personal lives. the heat already arent an important life thing, a forum about them even less lol. just take it as you have a big fan

[Beenie]

Pass on Smart

I havent watched him in a while, but the idea of him chucking ill advised 3's doesnt sound appealing

I’ll take just about anyone over Terry at this point but last I saw of Smart he was looking fat. He might’ve given up after Boston traded him.

I'd guess he'd suffer an Avery Bradley fate in Mia

[Shewasfly]

I would much rather go with Herro at 1 and Powell at 2 if it means getting Marcus Smart and asking him to start at 1.
Besides the fact that he doesn't wash his face, I think he's over the hill and his time as an impact player is over.

Get Cole Anthony, let Davion start, or even give Brogdon a shot. But Smart is a no from me. Honestly kinda resigned to the fact that they're not going after a PG, so the best I'm hoping for is them getting rid of Wiggins before the season starts. Rui, Knecht, Kleber and a 1st. Sign me up.

[CWebb2491]

How about Wiggins for Rui and Maxi Kleber? I don’t think we’re going to get a first round pick for Wiggins and I don’t think Spoelstra wants him on the team anymore either based on what Ethan Skolnick has been saying.

How about no?

If not solely for helping the Lakers what’s the purpose for Miami? What do they gain? Pelinka is that you?

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm ok with not getting Smart but also most of the deals involving Smart involve Rozier heading to the the Wiz which is probably one of the hardest expiring contracts to deal without an asset right now. Honestly really hoping we can swap Rozier for Vucevic and sign Malcolm Brogden or GP2. Whomever trades for Rozier is most likely only doing it for the pick and probably buys him out immediately. Rozier has his career waiting for him in the 3 v 3 circuit

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm ok with not getting Smart but also most of the deals involving Smart involve Rozier heading to the the Wiz which is probably one of the hardest expiring contracts to deal without an asset right now. Honestly really hoping we can swap Rozier for Vucevic and sign Malcolm Brogden or GP2. Whomever trades for Rozier is most likely only doing it for the pick and probably buys him out immediately. Rozier has his career waiting for him in the 3 v 3 circuit

While I think Smart has maybe lost motivation and let himself go since the Celtics trade I still would be happy trading Terry for him if that’s the best we can do using his salary. I think he would thrive here and regain himself some. Same as I think with Jrue but that’s too much money to gamble on, I was only open to that possibility if we landed KD.

Vuc I’ll gladly take off the bench and if Ware is messing around he can push him for that starting spot. If anything it may help Ware stay engaged

[MettaWorldPanda]

Pass on Smart

I havent watched him in a while, but the idea of him chucking ill advised 3's doesnt sound appealing

Do you enjoy Terry Rozier step back 3's, no defense, and some of the most bone headed basketball plays you have every seen in your life? Beggars can't be choosers here.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm ok with not getting Smart but also most of the deals involving Smart involve Rozier heading to the the Wiz which is probably one of the hardest expiring contracts to deal without an asset right now. Honestly really hoping we can swap Rozier for Vucevic and sign Malcolm Brogden or GP2. Whomever trades for Rozier is most likely only doing it for the pick and probably buys him out immediately. Rozier has his career waiting for him in the 3 v 3 circuit

While I think Smart has maybe lost motivation and let himself go since the Celtics trade I still would be happy trading Terry for him if that’s the best we can do using his salary. I think he would thrive here and regain himself some. Same as I think with Jrue but that’s too much money to gamble on, I was only open to that possibility if we landed KD.

Vuc I’ll gladly take off the bench and if Ware is messing around he can push him for that starting spot. If anything it may help Ware stay engaged

See you get it Bammy. Like I said beggars can't be choosers when discussing what to do with Rozier's contract. Smart could find himself again here as a valued veteran and if it doesn't work out he gone anyway next year. I can't go though another year of Rozier. I'd rather deal with any shortcomings Smart has. Vucevic for Rozier is about as good as it's going to get. I hope the Bulls don't stay stubborn and do right by him. Take the second and just buy out Rozier.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm ok with not getting Smart but also most of the deals involving Smart involve Rozier heading to the the Wiz which is probably one of the hardest expiring contracts to deal without an asset right now. Honestly really hoping we can swap Rozier for Vucevic and sign Malcolm Brogden or GP2. Whomever trades for Rozier is most likely only doing it for the pick and probably buys him out immediately. Rozier has his career waiting for him in the 3 v 3 circuit

While I think Smart has maybe lost motivation and let himself go since the Celtics trade I still would be happy trading Terry for him if that’s the best we can do using his salary. I think he would thrive here and regain himself some. Same as I think with Jrue but that’s too much money to gamble on, I was only open to that possibility if we landed KD.

Vuc I’ll gladly take off the bench and if Ware is messing around he can push him for that starting spot. If anything it may help Ware stay engaged

See you get it Bammy. Like I said beggars can't be choosers when discussing what to do with Rozier's contract. Smart could find himself again here as a valued veteran and if it doesn't work out he gone anyway next year. I can't go though another year of Rozier. I'd rather deal with any shortcomings Smart has. Vucevic for Rozier is about as good as it's going to get. I hope the Bulls don't stay stubborn and do right by him. Take the second and just buy out Rozier.

Still have that long convo he and Spo had after our play in game in my mind. He can still roll out of bed and give you 15-8 either as a starter or off the bench and he’s a solid playmaker for the center position and can shoot the 3. He will be much more useful in some matchups than others at this point in his career but There are far worse option for Rozier like you said.