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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1541 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Tue Jul 8, 2025 9:02 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
Besart19 wrote:No need to start Mitch... we need to run more to start the game in th3 1st and 3rd quarters... McBride makes more sense

One thing about starting Mitch, if KAT gets in quick foul trouble you don't have Mitch to bring in. And Mitch shouldn't start and then play extra long because of Kat fouls. Mitch is better in short to medium shifts


He's not durable enough to playing starting minutes.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1543 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:52 am

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WaltFrazier wrote:Having watched both as a Raptors fan, I rate Precious above Boucher. Not sure where money fits in though

Doesn’t Boucher shoots the 3 better?

For the record, I’d be fine with bringing Precious back.


Precious is redundant with Yabusele.

I thought Yabusele isn't a good defender.
Precious plays solid D
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1544 » by prophet_of_rage » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:45 am

WaltFrazier wrote:
VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Doesn’t Boucher shoots the 3 better?

For the record, I’d be fine with bringing Precious back.


Precious is redundant with Yabusele.

I thought Yabusele isn't a good defender.
Precious plays solid D
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1545 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:56 am

WaltFrazier wrote:
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HarthorneWingo wrote:Doesn’t Boucher shoots the 3 better?

For the record, I’d be fine with bringing Precious back.


Precious is redundant with Yabusele.

I thought Yabusele isn't a good defender.
Precious plays solid D


The New York Knicks are not likely to hold on to free agent Precious Achiuwa, per a Newsday report. Achiuwa averaged 6.6 points and 5.6 rebounds a game this past season.

“Achiuwa seemed to be most likely to be gone among players who were contributors this season, not signing back with the Knicks last summer until all other options were exhausted,” Newsday’s Steve Popper wrote. “But there was a dissatisfaction with playing time under Thibodeau — and the coaching staff having equal dissatisfaction about the defense and consistency provided by Achiuwa.”


https://sports.yahoo.com/article/knicks-rumors-1-free-agent-201502227.html
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1546 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jul 9, 2025 6:27 am

VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:
VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
Precious is redundant with Yabusele.

I thought Yabusele isn't a good defender.
Precious plays solid D


The New York Knicks are not likely to hold on to free agent Precious Achiuwa, per a Newsday report. Achiuwa averaged 6.6 points and 5.6 rebounds a game this past season.

“Achiuwa seemed to be most likely to be gone among players who were contributors this season, not signing back with the Knicks last summer until all other options were exhausted,” Newsday’s Steve Popper wrote. “But there was a dissatisfaction with playing time under Thibodeau — and the coaching staff having equal dissatisfaction about the defense and consistency provided by Achiuwa.”


https://sports.yahoo.com/article/knicks-rumors-1-free-agent-201502227.html

Your point that Precious is redundant with Yabu is wrong. They actually compliment each other. Yabu shoots the 3 and can’t play defense. Precious is the opposite.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1547 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:22 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:I thought Yabusele isn't a good defender.
Precious plays solid D


The New York Knicks are not likely to hold on to free agent Precious Achiuwa, per a Newsday report. Achiuwa averaged 6.6 points and 5.6 rebounds a game this past season.

“Achiuwa seemed to be most likely to be gone among players who were contributors this season, not signing back with the Knicks last summer until all other options were exhausted,” Newsday’s Steve Popper wrote. “But there was a dissatisfaction with playing time under Thibodeau — and the coaching staff having equal dissatisfaction about the defense and consistency provided by Achiuwa.”


https://sports.yahoo.com/article/knicks-rumors-1-free-agent-201502227.html

Your point that Precious is redundant with Yabu is wrong. They actually compliment each other. Yabu shoots the 3 and can’t play defense. Precious is the opposite.


Maybe redundant is the wrong term, but I think his defense is overrated on this team. Defensively he’s too small to be a 5 and succeed in drop or in one on one guarding centers, so he has to be part of a switch heavy scheme or he at the 4.

That means offensively he has to either space the floor or be a good cutter, or a good passer, or at the very least a good driver. And he’s none of those things. I don't see him returning.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1548 » by Kidknick! » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:36 pm

If someone were to tell me, a huge supporter of the front office that NY would sign Yabusele and Clarkson and STILL have cash for ANOTHER vet minimum contract, I would have never believed you.

Now if those Marcus Smart rumors turn out true.

They are truly the best in the business in terms of bending the cap to their will. Brock Aller the GOAT.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1549 » by dukeknicksirish » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:46 pm

I appreciate how the FO is not panic signing to fill that last vet min spot. We are taking our time and waiting for a better buyout option. We've made solid moves so far, lets get the best FIT for the roster
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1550 » by Juco24 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:51 pm

Kidknick! wrote:If someone were to tell me, a huge supporter of the front office that NY would sign Yabusele and Clarkson and STILL have cash for ANOTHER vet minimum contract, I would have never believed you.

Now if those Marcus Smart rumors turn out true.

They are truly the best in the business in terms of bending the cap to their will. Brock Aller the GOAT.


Agreed... was also looking at some vids of Smart while playing with the Wiz. I think he still has some gas left in the tank and would be a good addition. Definitely would provide toughness
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1551 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:52 pm

Knicks roster depth:

C: Towns/Mitch/Hukporti/Yabusule?
PF: Towns/Yabusule/OG/Hart?
SF: OG/Mikal/Hart/Dadiet/McCullars/Diawara
SG: Mikal/Deuce/Clarkson/Hart
PG: Brunson/Clarkson/Deuce/Kolek


Not necessarily in likely order or even potential lineup, just the positions each player can play.

At this point for that last roster spot the Knicks could add just about any position.

There's something to be said for a defensive minded 4/5, since Mitch is injury prone, Hukporti is a ? to some degree and Yabu isn't a great defender.

If you think of Clarkson as a SG with some creation skills then maybe PG depth is the way to go.

It's going to be a locker room fit thing most likely. Maybe either in an area the Knicks have some injury depth concerns or somewhere where the Knicks are thinking of the possibility of a future trade and want to roster someone for a potential move even if the move never happens.

Knicks are kind of overloaded with guys who profile more like 3s, even though I know the line between 3 and 4 almost doesn't exist anymore and even the 2 is included.

But kind of a lot of guys who aren't the best dribble drive creators but not tall enough to be a problem on defense/3&D.
Unless Dadiet or Diawara pan out and they are both several years away more than likely

Clarkson was a good signing and addresses some backcourt creativity and shot creation for others
Yabu gives the team another option at PF/C with the ability to spread the floor.

Team kind of lacks that depth 3/4 3&D guy who is more proven.

Considering how the lineup can be juggled at the 2/3/4/5 with KAT/Yabu/OG/Mikal/Hart being able to play more than one position, it's not an issue unless the injuries are bad and then who really cares.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1552 » by Wildcat » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:08 pm

VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
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Your point that Precious is redundant with Yabu is wrong. They actually compliment each other. Yabu shoots the 3 and can’t play defense. Precious is the opposite.


Maybe redundant is the wrong term, but I think his defense is overrated on this team. Defensively he’s too small to be a 5 and succeed in drop or in one on one guarding centers, so he has to be part of a switch heavy scheme or he at the 4.

That means offensively he has to either space the floor or be a good cutter, or a good passer, or at the very least a good driver. And he’s none of those things. I don't see him returning.


Precious from '23/'24 season hits differently than Precious from '24/'25. His preseason injury messed him up because I thought Thibs had big plans for him. Then when he came back, I think Thibs' treatment of the bench didn't help him get into the same flow he had the prior season. Then when Mitch came back, it was pretty obvious any playing time he got was going to Mitch. To me, just seems like the lack of definitive role in Thibs' system discouraged him.

Either way, it's moot. He's not coming back. Olympiacos might even make him a decent offer.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1553 » by Wildcat » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:10 pm

Juco24 wrote:
Kidknick! wrote:If someone were to tell me, a huge supporter of the front office that NY would sign Yabusele and Clarkson and STILL have cash for ANOTHER vet minimum contract, I would have never believed you.

Now if those Marcus Smart rumors turn out true.

They are truly the best in the business in terms of bending the cap to their will. Brock Aller the GOAT.


Agreed... was also looking at some vids of Smart while playing with the Wiz. I think he still has some gas left in the tank and would be a good addition. Definitely would provide toughness


I'm not sure how you fit Smart in a bench with Hart, Deuce, Clarkson, and Yabu with spot minutes going to Huk.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1554 » by KnixinSix » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:26 pm

Wildcat wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
Kidknick! wrote:If someone were to tell me, a huge supporter of the front office that NY would sign Yabusele and Clarkson and STILL have cash for ANOTHER vet minimum contract, I would have never believed you.

Now if those Marcus Smart rumors turn out true.

They are truly the best in the business in terms of bending the cap to their will. Brock Aller the GOAT.


Agreed... was also looking at some vids of Smart while playing with the Wiz. I think he still has some gas left in the tank and would be a good addition. Definitely would provide toughness


I'm not sure how you fit Smart in a bench with Hart, Deuce, Clarkson, and Yabu with spot minutes going to Huk.


You are going to have a bunch of mix and match pieces depending on the matchups. Against some teams you will want to play a lot more Smart vs. Clarkson for example.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1555 » by KnixinSix » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:28 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Knicks roster depth:

C: Towns/Mitch/Hukporti/Yabusule?
PF: Towns/Yabusule/OG/Hart?
SF: OG/Mikal/Hart/Dadiet/McCullars/Diawara
SG: Mikal/Deuce/Clarkson/Hart
PG: Brunson/Clarkson/Deuce/Kolek


Not necessarily in likely order or even potential lineup, just the positions each player can play.

At this point for that last roster spot the Knicks could add just about any position.

There's something to be said for a defensive minded 4/5, since Mitch is injury prone, Hukporti is a ? to some degree and Yabu isn't a great defender.

If you think of Clarkson as a SG with some creation skills then maybe PG depth is the way to go.

It's going to be a locker room fit thing most likely. Maybe either in an area the Knicks have some injury depth concerns or somewhere where the Knicks are thinking of the possibility of a future trade and want to roster someone for a potential move even if the move never happens.

Knicks are kind of overloaded with guys who profile more like 3s, even though I know the line between 3 and 4 almost doesn't exist anymore and even the 2 is included.

But kind of a lot of guys who aren't the best dribble drive creators but not tall enough to be a problem on defense/3&D.
Unless Dadiet or Diawara pan out and they are both several years away more than likely

Clarkson was a good signing and addresses some backcourt creativity and shot creation for others
Yabu gives the team another option at PF/C with the ability to spread the floor.

Team kind of lacks that depth 3/4 3&D guy who is more proven.

Considering how the lineup can be juggled at the 2/3/4/5 with KAT/Yabu/OG/Mikal/Hart being able to play more than one position, it's not an issue unless the injuries are bad and then who really cares.



I means that's a darn fine looking team right now.... but is it top in the NBA good is the only question. They could be...
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1556 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:31 pm

Wildcat wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
Kidknick! wrote:If someone were to tell me, a huge supporter of the front office that NY would sign Yabusele and Clarkson and STILL have cash for ANOTHER vet minimum contract, I would have never believed you.

Now if those Marcus Smart rumors turn out true.

They are truly the best in the business in terms of bending the cap to their will. Brock Aller the GOAT.


Agreed... was also looking at some vids of Smart while playing with the Wiz. I think he still has some gas left in the tank and would be a good addition. Definitely would provide toughness


I'm not sure how you fit Smart in a bench with Hart, Deuce, Clarkson, and Yabu with spot minutes going to Huk.


We need depth. Not saying Smart is the answer but, we need depth that can run an offense. Vet mini market is tricky. I think they are interested in everyone and everything that pops up. They seem comfortable playing the long game to see exactly what shakes loose.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1557 » by kNicksGmen » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:56 pm

Wildcat wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
Kidknick! wrote:If someone were to tell me, a huge supporter of the front office that NY would sign Yabusele and Clarkson and STILL have cash for ANOTHER vet minimum contract, I would have never believed you.

Now if those Marcus Smart rumors turn out true.

They are truly the best in the business in terms of bending the cap to their will. Brock Aller the GOAT.


Agreed... was also looking at some vids of Smart while playing with the Wiz. I think he still has some gas left in the tank and would be a good addition. Definitely would provide toughness


I'm not sure how you fit Smart in a bench with Hart, Deuce, Clarkson, and Yabu with spot minutes going to Huk.

Yea especially if everyone is healthy. But it's good to have depth - but not sure you can convince a guy like smart to come here if he's not at least promised a decent role.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1558 » by KnicksGadfly » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:01 pm

I'll take Smart. We kind of need an ***hole on this team. Even if it's just 5 minutes.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1559 » by Enzo954 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:05 pm

VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:
Besart19 wrote:No need to start Mitch... we need to run more to start the game in th3 1st and 3rd quarters... McBride makes more sense

One thing about starting Mitch, if KAT gets in quick foul trouble you don't have Mitch to bring in. And Mitch shouldn't start and then play extra long because of Kat fouls. Mitch is better in short to medium shifts


He's not durable enough to playing starting minutes.


Exactly. Mitch needs to play limited minutes every game to keep him healthy for the playoffs. The guy is made of glass. It is what it is.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 IV 

Post#1560 » by Wildcat » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:08 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
Agreed... was also looking at some vids of Smart while playing with the Wiz. I think he still has some gas left in the tank and would be a good addition. Definitely would provide toughness


I'm not sure how you fit Smart in a bench with Hart, Deuce, Clarkson, and Yabu with spot minutes going to Huk.

Yea especially if everyone is healthy. But it's good to have depth - but not sure you can convince a guy like smart to come here if he's not at least promised a decent role.


That's my thought. It's not like he's over the hill. I think we're not understanding Smart is going to look at the roster and ask, "How many minutes I'm playing?"

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