Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[Domejandro]

I still think figuring out a way to move Randle for Dejounte Murray and fill is the right route.

MN out: Randle
In: Murray and draft picks

Pho in: Randle, H Jones
Out: Beal

NO: in Beal
Out: Murray, Jones, draft picks

PG - Murray, Conley, Dilly
SG - Edwards, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Ingles
PF - Reid, Miller, vet min FA
C - Gobert, Beringer, Rocco

Ignoring how consistent I am about hating every single DeJounte Murray trade (he was a negative impact player PRIOR to blowing out his Achilles' tendon), this is unworkable for New Orleans and Bradley Beal would not agree to go to New Orleans (unless they agreed to waive him). Despite his injuries last season, Herb Jones has positive value on his contract and with Bradley Beal not going there, I don't see them paying picks to swap Dejounte Murray for the dead contract of Bradley Beal.

[KGdaBom]

I still think figuring out a way to move Randle for Dejounte Murray and fill is the right route.

MN out: Randle
In: Murray and draft picks

Pho in: Randle, H Jones
Out: Beal

NO: in Beal
Out: Murray, Jones, draft picks

PG - Murray, Conley, Dilly
SG - Edwards, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Ingles
PF - Reid, Miller, vet min FA
C - Gobert, Beringer, Rocco

Ignoring how consistent I am about hating every single DeJounte Murray trade (he was a negative impact player PRIOR to blowing out his Achilles' tendon), this is unworkable for New Orleans and Bradley Beal would not agree to go to New Orleans (unless they agreed to waive him). Despite his injuries last season, Herb Jones has positive value on his contract and with Bradley Beal not going there, I don't see them paying picks to swap Dejounte Murray for the dead contract of Bradley Beal.

I was always one of those supporting the idea of trading for DeJounte. I haven't paid any attention to him the last two years and upon finding out he blew out his achilles tendon I may join you in being against acquiring him.

[Norseman79]

I still think figuring out a way to move Randle for Dejounte Murray and fill is the right route.

MN out: Randle
In: Murray and draft picks

Pho in: Randle, H Jones
Out: Beal

NO: in Beal
Out: Murray, Jones, draft picks

PG - Murray, Conley, Dilly
SG - Edwards, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Ingles
PF - Reid, Miller, vet min FA
C - Gobert, Beringer, Rocco

Ignoring how consistent I am about hating every single DeJounte Murray trade (he was a negative impact player PRIOR to blowing out his Achilles' tendon), this is unworkable for New Orleans and Bradley Beal would not agree to go to New Orleans (unless they agreed to waive him). Despite his injuries last season, Herb Jones has positive value on his contract and with Bradley Beal not going there, I don't see them paying picks to swap Dejounte Murray for the dead contract of Bradley Beal.

Obviously everything would be contingent on people agreeing, that being said I would argue part of Murray's issues has been being forced to be the scorer. Him blowing his Achilles likely lowers his trade value. Again, I'm not doing the trade until I know where he's at recovery wise and when he would be able to actually play again. Obviously this is contingent on Beal agreeing to go. The reason for Phoenix is obvious. Let's look at New Orleans with Beal on their roster.

PG Poole
SG Beal
SF Murphy
PF Williamson
C. Messi

That competes in the East.

Is Minnesota gambling a little bit on Murray? Yes. If the gamble pays off, you are set for a championship runs for the foreseeable future. If it doesn't, you are stuck with a slightly overpaid starting caliber point guard who is a good defender and can get his own shot when needed. The obvious ultimate failure would be he never plays again because he can't recover from the injury. Randle could do the same thing in training camp and never play again. I acknowledge all the points you made that would say this trade is too risky, I just don't see other starting point guards, that would likely be available, that would raise the bar. Again, not negating anything you said as far as reasonable concerns and the likelihood of things not working due to Beal.

[winforlose]

I still think figuring out a way to move Randle for Dejounte Murray and fill is the right route.

MN out: Randle
In: Murray and draft picks

Pho in: Randle, H Jones
Out: Beal

NO: in Beal
Out: Murray, Jones, draft picks

PG - Murray, Conley, Dilly
SG - Edwards, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Ingles
PF - Reid, Miller, vet min FA
C - Gobert, Beringer, Rocco

Last I checked Dejounte was a better player than Randle so I wouldn't expect us to get him plus draft picks. Maybe his game declined in the last year or two. I'd be happy to have him if he's the player I remember.

You do know he ruptured his Achilles last season. He will likely miss a chunk of this season and when he comes back he will not be in top form. There is also the fact that Murray has a player option in 27/28. If he misses a chunk of 25/26 and then needs the rest to get his game back, we would essentially be trading a healthy Randle for one guaranteed season of Murray. It would need more than the pick.

[BlacJacMac]

Let's look at New Orleans with Beal on their roster.

PG Poole
SG Beal
SF Murphy
PF Williamson
C. Messi

That competes in the East.

Unfortunately for New Orleans, it doesn't compete in the West...

[minimus]

...

There is a reason why NOP assembled a super trio DJM-Poole-Zion. And there is a reason why MIN should stay away from it.

[Norseman79]

Let's look at New Orleans with Beal on their roster.

PG Poole
SG Beal
SF Murphy
PF Williamson
C. Messi

That competes in the East.

Unfortunately for New Orleans, it doesn't compete in the West...

I'm an idiot ....that could do ok in the West too...6/7 spot if all stay healthy.

[TimberKat]

...

There is a reason why NOP assembled a super trio DJM-Poole-Zion. And there is a reason why MIN should stay away from it.

Apparently NOP are so sure about the trio with Queen that they didn't care to give up and unprotected 1st in 2026.

[minimus]

...

There is a reason why NOP assembled a super trio DJM-Poole-Zion. And there is a reason why MIN should stay away from it.

Apparently NOP are so sure about the trio with Queen that they didn't care to give up and unprotected 1st in 2026.

Damn... It makes me concerned about Queen development path

[BlacJacMac]

Let's look at New Orleans with Beal on their roster.

PG Poole
SG Beal
SF Murphy
PF Williamson
C. Messi

That competes in the East.

Unfortunately for New Orleans, it doesn't compete in the West...

I'm an idiot ....that could do ok in the West too...6/7 spot if all stay healthy.

I don't believe there is such a thing as a "healthy Zion". I like Murphy and Messi, but that's not a good team. Especially if they're relying on Poole to run things...

[Norseman79]

Unfortunately for New Orleans, it doesn't compete in the West...

I'm an idiot ....that could do ok in the West too...6/7 spot if all stay healthy.

I don't believe there is such a thing as a "healthy Zion". I like Murphy and Messi, but that's not a good team. Especially if they're relying on Poole to run things...

Just depends on what Poole and Beal you get. You basically have two combo guards who can go off scoring but offer little defense. It's all a gamble

It is for the Wolves right now too. Do Randle and Reid regress now that they made bank? Do Rudy and Randle start to show age? Can Mike give you anything on defense? Will McDaniels take another step offensively? Which DD do we get? TSJ killer off the bench or bench killer? Who backs up Rudy if he gets hurt?

[KGdaBom]

I still think figuring out a way to move Randle for Dejounte Murray and fill is the right route.

MN out: Randle
In: Murray and draft picks

Pho in: Randle, H Jones
Out: Beal

NO: in Beal
Out: Murray, Jones, draft picks

PG - Murray, Conley, Dilly
SG - Edwards, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Ingles
PF - Reid, Miller, vet min FA
C - Gobert, Beringer, Rocco

Last I checked Dejounte was a better player than Randle so I wouldn't expect us to get him plus draft picks. Maybe his game declined in the last year or two. I'd be happy to have him if he's the player I remember.

You do know he ruptured his Achilles last season. He will likely miss a chunk of this season and when he comes back he will not be in top form. There is also the fact that Murray has a player option in 27/28. If he misses a chunk of 25/26 and then needs the rest to get his game back, we would essentially be trading a healthy Randle for one guaranteed season of Murray. It would need more than the pick.

If you read my post it was EXTREMELY OBVIOUS I didn't know. I said last time I checked and made it clear I did not know.

[winforlose]

Last I checked Dejounte was a better player than Randle so I wouldn't expect us to get him plus draft picks. Maybe his game declined in the last year or two. I'd be happy to have him if he's the player I remember.

You do know he ruptured his Achilles last season. He will likely miss a chunk of this season and when he comes back he will not be in top form. There is also the fact that Murray has a player option in 27/28. If he misses a chunk of 25/26 and then needs the rest to get his game back, we would essentially be trading a healthy Randle for one guaranteed season of Murray. It would need more than the pick.

If you read my post it was EXTREMELY OBVIOUS I didn't know. I said last time I checked and made it clear I did not know.

My bad it should have ended with a ? not a . If I had done that then you would know I was not trying to be aggressive, just informative.

[KGdaBom]

You do know he ruptured his Achilles last season. He will likely miss a chunk of this season and when he comes back he will not be in top form. There is also the fact that Murray has a player option in 27/28. If he misses a chunk of 25/26 and then needs the rest to get his game back, we would essentially be trading a healthy Randle for one guaranteed season of Murray. It would need more than the pick.

If you read my post it was EXTREMELY OBVIOUS I didn't know. I said last time I checked and made it clear I did not know.

My bad it should have ended with a ? not a . If I had done that then you would know I was not trying to be aggressive, just informative.

Sorry I lashed out a little, but I finished my post IF IF IF he's the player I remember.

[minimus]

I am confused. WAS want to sign-and-trade Brogdon. But how MIN can stay below 2nd apron AND do sign-and-trade? Also it should be vet.min?

[winforlose]

I am confused. WAS want to sign-and-trade Brogdon. But how MIN can stay below 2nd apron AND do sign-and-trade? Also it should be vet.min?

Can we absorb him into the TPE without triggering the hard cap? Can it be for the Tax Payer Mid Level Exemption without triggering any special rules or hard caps?

[shrink]

I am confused. WAS want to sign-and-trade Brogdon. But how MIN can stay below 2nd apron AND do sign-and-trade? Also it should be vet.min?

We would have to hope that the 32-year old preferred to choose his destination as a vet min free agent, and chose us over eight reported suitors, rather than work with WAS and get more money in a sign-and-trade. Acquiring a player in a sign-and-trade is a first apron restriction.

I lost track of Brogdan when he went to WAS, but I see he’s missed time three straight years, and his decent career three point shooting fell to 28.6% last year? Anyone know why?

[BlacJacMac]

I am confused. WAS want to sign-and-trade Brogdon. But how MIN can stay below 2nd apron AND do sign-and-trade? Also it should be vet.min?

We would have to hope that the 32-year old preferred to choose his destination as a vet min free agent, and chose us over eight reported suitors, rather than work with WAS and get more money in a sign-and-trade. Acquiring a player in a sign-and-trade is a first apron restriction.

He made 22.5M last year. I wonder if he's going to accept the minimum or if he's going to try to get into someone's exception?

I lost track of Brogdan when he went to WAS, but I see he’s missed time three straight years, and his decent career three point shooting fell to 28.6% last year? Anyone know why?

It was only 56 attempts, so probably just noise/variance. If he would've made 5 more, he would've been at 38%.

[cmoss84]

Giannis REALLY wants to stay in Milwaukee
Strike while the iron is hot and one up OKC extensions. Give Mil the best offer.
Randle, Naz, DDV, Rocco, and whatever picks.

[BlacJacMac]

Giannis REALLY wants to stay in Milwaukee
Strike while the iron is hot and one up OKC extensions. Give Mil the best offer.
Randle, Naz, DDV, Rocco, and whatever picks.

We don't have picks.

Any Giannis offer that they'd even consider would likely have to start with McDaniels, Beringer and TSJ.

And we'd likely need to move Rudy to a 3rd team because I just can't see a Giannis/Rudy combo working.