Around The NBA : 2024-25 Season

[rosenthall]

And so it begins... Chet getting rookie max deal that could potentially go up to 250 mil.

Jalen Williams is next with most likely the same contract.

I said OKC window with this group is 2 years.

Now that they have a championship, I think they legit should trade off one of their big 3 for another Paul George like deal to keep the wheel spinning. They actually got a little lucky with their timing of this championship, in that they've climbed Everest so people might be less judgmental if they reset a little bit to catch their breath financially.

I'd imagine either Chet or Jalen could get recycled into another promising young player on a rookie contract + 2-3 unprotected firsts and/or swaps. I think if they did that they can still win 50+ games for another 2-3 years until the next batch of talent cooks for v2 of the Shai era.

[rosenthall]

With the Chet deal -- it's becoming increasingly obvious that big men really need to be able to do 4 things:

- Provide rim protection
- Have some semblance of an outside shot, even if it's not great
- Cover space well on defense
- Be able to fit into a scheme offensively

If you check all 4 of those boxes you are easily worth 100,000,000. Each checkmark that you lose cuts your value in half.

JJJ, Chet, Naz & Miles Turner all got paid. You can even include Kornet in here as well.

Usage, raw rebounding and raw offensive output don't seem to matter much.
People have been talking this game for awhile, but it seems like it's finally getting reflected in people's contracts.

[kodo]

And so it begins... Chet getting rookie max deal that could potentially go up to 250 mil.

Jalen Williams is next with most likely the same contract.

I said OKC window with this group is 2 years.

Jalen is more because he made all-nba, right? 30% of the cap instead of 25%, so ~300/5 or ~$60M per year.
I wonder if Presti can convince him to sign for "only" $50M.

[boozapalooza]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/I9yiAQWGvqU

Zach Lowe pod today has a segment on Bulls around 45 min mark. Not great…he agrees with Simmons recent comments. Echos the Vuc and PWill trade markets are dead.

Interesting thoughts on Matas and Giddey as well

[Infinity2152]

Jalen Williams got 5 year rookie max extension today, $287 mill. All three are locked up, two on max and one on super-max. Dynasty locked up fpr years.

[jnrjr79]

Jalen Williams got 5 year rookie max extension today, $287 mill. All three are locked up, two on max and one on super-max. Dynasty locked up fpr years.

As was said about the Celtics roughly 15 minutes ago, and then...

[Infinity2152]

Jalen Williams got 5 year rookie max extension today, $287 mill. All three are locked up, two on max and one on super-max. Dynasty locked up fpr years.

As was said about the Celtics roughly 15 minutes ago, and then...

What was the average age of the Celtics starting lineup again? Thunder have three young locked up stars, SGA better than any of the Celtics, and 20 first round draft picks, plus a ton of young talent already on the roster.

Of course, a serious SGA injury could derail them, but they should still be great unless it's career ending.

[jnrjr79]

Jalen Williams got 5 year rookie max extension today, $287 mill. All three are locked up, two on max and one on super-max. Dynasty locked up fpr years.

As was said about the Celtics roughly 15 minutes ago, and then...

What was the average age of the Celtics again? Thunder have three young locked up stars, SGA better than any of the Celtics, and 20 first round draft picks, plus a ton of young talent already on the roster.

San Antonio is on the rise, OKC can’t keep all those picks, they’ll have to get rid of their supporting cast and hope the picks they do keep pan out, etc.

Don’t get me wrong, OKC is the best-positioned team in the NBA right now (relatedly, they were willing to tank, acquire assets, and build the right way!). All I’m saying is things change fast in the NBA and you never know. Chet seems sketchy from a health perspective, I don’t know if Williams will ultimately be worth his deal, etc.

[Infinity2152]

As was said about the Celtics roughly 15 minutes ago, and then...

What was the average age of the Celtics again? Thunder have three young locked up stars, SGA better than any of the Celtics, and 20 first round draft picks, plus a ton of young talent already on the roster.

San Antonio is on the rise, OKC can’t keep all those picks, they’ll have to get rid of their supporting cast and hope the picks they do keep pan out, etc.

Don’t get me wrong, OKC is the best-positioned team in the NBA right now (relatedly, they were willing to tank, acquire assets, and build the right way!). All I’m saying is things change fast in the NBA and you never know. Chet seems sketchy from a health perspective, I don’t know if Williams will ultimately be worth his deal, etc.

When I say dynasty, I men set up to be a very strong team for a good period, not necessarily winning it all. They have so much depth and young talent locked up, plus all those picks, it would almost be hard for them not to be great for the next few years. I'd consider the old Spurs team a dynasty team, for instance. Even though they weren't winning championships every year. Even if Wiliams isn't "worth his deal" or Chet has some injury issues, as long as it doesn't all hit at the same time, they're super deep. Caruso, Dort, Hartenstein, Dieng plus they can probably add a great rookie any year they want with all those picks. Just added Thomas Sorber, who a lot of people like.

Of course nothing's for sure.

[jnrjr79]

What was the average age of the Celtics again? Thunder have three young locked up stars, SGA better than any of the Celtics, and 20 first round draft picks, plus a ton of young talent already on the roster.

San Antonio is on the rise, OKC can’t keep all those picks, they’ll have to get rid of their supporting cast and hope the picks they do keep pan out, etc.

Don’t get me wrong, OKC is the best-positioned team in the NBA right now (relatedly, they were willing to tank, acquire assets, and build the right way!). All I’m saying is things change fast in the NBA and you never know. Chet seems sketchy from a health perspective, I don’t know if Williams will ultimately be worth his deal, etc.

When I say dynasty, I men set up to be a very strong team for a good period, not necessarily winning it all. They have so much depth and young talent locked up, plus all those picks, it would almost be hard for them not to be great for the next few years. I'd consider the old Spurs team a dynasty team, for instance. Even though they weren't winning championships every year.

I guess I’d be interested what others think, but I think a “dynasty” requires a minimum of 4 championships for a particular group. No one, for instance, refers to the Bad Boy Pistons as a dynasty because they were very good for a stretch and won two.

[Infinity2152]

San Antonio is on the rise, OKC can’t keep all those picks, they’ll have to get rid of their supporting cast and hope the picks they do keep pan out, etc.

Don’t get me wrong, OKC is the best-positioned team in the NBA right now (relatedly, they were willing to tank, acquire assets, and build the right way!). All I’m saying is things change fast in the NBA and you never know. Chet seems sketchy from a health perspective, I don’t know if Williams will ultimately be worth his deal, etc.

When I say dynasty, I men set up to be a very strong team for a good period, not necessarily winning it all. They have so much depth and young talent locked up, plus all those picks, it would almost be hard for them not to be great for the next few years. I'd consider the old Spurs team a dynasty team, for instance. Even though they weren't winning championships every year.

I guess I’d be interested what others think, but I think a “dynasty” requires a minimum of 4 championships for a particular group. No one, for instance, refers to the Bad Boy Pistons as a dynasty because they were very good for a stretch and won two.

Everybody has their own opinion. This aligns more with my definition of dynasty.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/10-greatest-nba-dynasties-of-all-time

Yes, somebody is referring to that Pistons team as a dynasty and it took two seconds to find them.

Wikipedia defines sports dynasty as:
"In sports, a dynasty is a team or individual that dominates their sport or league for an extended length of time."

So call it what you want, when I say Dynasty, I mean a team that's excellent and dominant for a period of years.

[jnrjr79]

When I say dynasty, I men set up to be a very strong team for a good period, not necessarily winning it all. They have so much depth and young talent locked up, plus all those picks, it would almost be hard for them not to be great for the next few years. I'd consider the old Spurs team a dynasty team, for instance. Even though they weren't winning championships every year.

I guess I’d be interested what others think, but I think a “dynasty” requires a minimum of 4 championships for a particular group. No one, for instance, refers to the Bad Boy Pistons as a dynasty because they were very good for a stretch and won two.

Everybody has their own opinion. This aligns more with my definition of dynasty.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/10-greatest-nba-dynasties-of-all-time

Yes, somebody is referring to that Pistons team as a dynasty and it took two seconds to find them.

Wikipedia defines sports dynasty as:
"In sports, a dynasty is a team or individual that dominates their sport or league for an extended length of time."

So call it what you want, when I say dynasty, I mean a team that's excellent and dominant for a period of years.

The Buffalo Bills went to 4 Super Bowls in a row. Were they a dynasty?

You haven’t dominated anything if you haven’t won it.

[Infinity2152]

I guess I’d be interested what others think, but I think a “dynasty” requires a minimum of 4 championships for a particular group. No one, for instance, refers to the Bad Boy Pistons as a dynasty because they were very good for a stretch and won two.

Everybody has their own opinion. This aligns more with my definition of dynasty.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/10-greatest-nba-dynasties-of-all-time

Yes, somebody is referring to that Pistons team as a dynasty and it took two seconds to find them.

Wikipedia defines sports dynasty as:
"In sports, a dynasty is a team or individual that dominates their sport or league for an extended length of time."

So call it what you want, when I say dynasty, I mean a team that's excellent and dominant for a period of years.

The Buffalo Bills went to 4 Super Bowls in a row. Were they a dynasty?

You haven’t dominated anything if you haven’t won it.

I brought in outside definitions. You change sports. How many games are played in the regular season and playoffs in football?

17 regular season games now, was less. One game per round in the playoffs. Half the season against 4 teams in the same division.
Versus dominating for 82 games with 7 games playoff series.

The same 10 guys have to be consistently great for way more games in the NBA for a team to be dominant. Just like anything else, sample size should count in determining who's great. You can win 14-16 total games in football and have a championship. You're fighting for worst team in the league with that many wins in the NBA. Or you can dominate all year in NFL, win every game but the final one that counts. Lose to a worse team with a worse record. Guess the whole season revolves around that one game.

I guess the 73-9 Warriors weren't dominating because they didn't win the Finals. It's so arbitrary to say if you don't win the Finals, all the other playoff rounds and dominating teams the entire season just doesn't matter. Steph was sitting half the fourth quarter most games.

Not going to argue definitions. I showed you the first two I came up with. That's the extent to which I'll press my argument, argue with Wikipedia or Sportskeeda, lmao! You're not going to change my definition or what I meant when I said it.

[kodo]

Jalen Williams got 5 year rookie max extension today, $287 mill. All three are locked up, two on max and one on super-max. Dynasty locked up fpr years.

As was said about the Celtics roughly 15 minutes ago, and then...

We've said that about the last 7 different NBA champions. GS is the only one that actually delivered.

[DuckIII]

Jalen Williams got 5 year rookie max extension today, $287 mill. All three are locked up, two on max and one on super-max. Dynasty locked up fpr years.

As was said about the Celtics roughly 15 minutes ago, and then...

True. Except despite how dominant their title was, I never considered Boston a dynasty in the making and this year kinda showed that while very good, they were hardly real favorites even if healthy. They were just one of 5-6 teams with a chance.

OKC’s core 3 to me is very different. It does look like a dynasty. Their problem isn’t whether they have the talent to be dynastic. It’s the Spurs.

[DuckIII]

Jalen Williams got 5 year rookie max extension today, $287 mill. All three are locked up, two on max and one on super-max. Dynasty locked up fpr years.

As was said about the Celtics roughly 15 minutes ago, and then...

We've said that about the last 7 different NBA champions. GS is the only one that actually delivered.

Really? I know I didn’t. This Thunder team is the first team since the Curry Warriors that I considered potentially dynastic (and then they did it).

Not a complaint. It’s been fun going into seasons with so many teams being legitimate contenders.

[Jvaughn]

Really liked what I saw from Beringer today. Did exactly what he was projected to do. Rim runner who blocked everything at the rim. 5-6 from the floor too.

[kulaz3000]

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[Almost Retired]

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Despite being a UICU grad I was not that big on JK. Mostly due to turnovers. I don't want to see the kid fail though. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Hopefully he'll bounce back and work on the things that are causing him problems.

[Almost Retired]

Jalen Williams got 5 year rookie max extension today, $287 mill. All three are locked up, two on max and one on super-max. Dynasty locked up fpr years.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/news/thunder-cap-space-projection-sga-jalen-williams-chet-holmgren/f0fe0c898fb18f15f910c3b8