The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[TeamTragic]

Harden recruiting Beal is hilarious because we know KD signed off on Beal.

How did that turn out?

[KdoubleDees23]

So will this be Booker's 5th season as Sun where the team finishes below 30 wins? I say yes.

this is relevant though:


1 Jeff Hornacek 2015–16
2 Earl Watson 2016–17 and part of 2017–18
3 Jay Triano (interim) 2017–18
4 Igor Kokoskov 2018–19
5 Monty Williams 2019–23
6 Frank Vogel 2023–24
7 Mike Budenholzer 2024–25
8 Jordan Ott 2025–26

Suns will be better this year than they were last year.

[KdoubleDees23]

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I would do Allen, Royce or if they dont like Allen. OSO, Royce, and some 2nds for Kuminga.

Booker, Gillespie
Green, Allen
Kuminga, Nigel Hayes, Fleming
Brooks, Dunn, Fleming
Williams, Richards, Maluach

Thats a great team with length, grit, defense, and scoring.

[BobbieL]

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I would do Allen, Royce or if they dont like Allen. OSO, Royce, and some 2nds for Kuminga.

Booker, Gillespie
Green, Allen
Kuminga, Nigel Hayes, Fleming
Brooks, Dunn, Fleming
Williams, Richards, Maluach

Thats a great team with length, grit, defense, and scoring.

would you do Richards instead of Oso plus Royce since it seems they don't want Allen per Siegel

[BringinDaRuckus]

So will this be Booker's 5th season as Sun where the team finishes below 30 wins? I say yes.

this is relevant though:


1 Jeff Hornacek 2015–16
2 Earl Watson 2016–17 and part of 2017–18
3 Jay Triano (interim) 2017–18
4 Igor Kokoskov 2018–19
5 Monty Williams 2019–23
6 Frank Vogel 2023–24
7 Mike Budenholzer 2024–25
8 Jordan Ott 2025–26

Suns will be better this year than they were last year.

Even if they are not better than last year, they will for sure be more entertaining.

Can only watch so many ISO plays.

[Saberestar]

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Just imagine for a moment that we get him...wow, I can imagine him fitting nicely on our current roster.

[KdoubleDees23]

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I would do Allen, Royce or if they dont like Allen. OSO, Royce, and some 2nds for Kuminga.

Booker, Gillespie
Green, Allen
Kuminga, Nigel Hayes, Fleming
Brooks, Dunn, Fleming
Williams, Richards, Maluach

Thats a great team with length, grit, defense, and scoring.

would you do Richards instead of Oso plus Royce since it seems they don't want Allen per Siegel

That is a maybe. I think we need RIchards with WIlliams injury and Maluachs development.

I would do Oso, Royce, and a future late first for Kuminga. I like Kuminga.

[sunsbum]

So will this be Booker's 5th season as Sun where the team finishes below 30 wins? I say yes.

this is relevant though:


1 Jeff Hornacek 2015–16
2 Earl Watson 2016–17 and part of 2017–18
3 Jay Triano (interim) 2017–18
4 Igor Kokoskov 2018–19
5 Monty Williams 2019–23
6 Frank Vogel 2023–24
7 Mike Budenholzer 2024–25
8 Jordan Ott 2025–26

To retort that. Good players make coaches look good. So on the flip side, Booker hasn’t exactly made any his coaches look good. It’s a two way street. To me, Booker will always just be today’s version of Gilbert Arenas, all points, no substance. I know I’m not alone in this settlement.

"A player who makes a team great is better than a great player" - John Wooden

“Your best player has to set a tone of intolerance for anything that gets in the way of winning” – Jeff Van Gundy

“Admit to and make yourself accountable for mistakes. How can you improve if you’re never wrong?” – Pat Summitt

Gilbert arenas was an inefficient chucker that had 3 good years. His career arc couldn’t hold books jock strap. If you’re going to keep comparing book to someone try Paul Pierce or Alex English. Like are you stupid enough to not realize we know exactly the type of players you are trying to downplay Bookers career to? I’ve heard you say Zach Lavine, Arenas and a couple others I can’t remember. It’s boring bro. Pack your act up, take your street performance to another corner.

[Saberestar]

I would do Allen, Royce or if they dont like Allen. OSO, Royce, and some 2nds for Kuminga.

Booker, Gillespie
Green, Allen
Kuminga, Nigel Hayes, Fleming
Brooks, Dunn, Fleming
Williams, Richards, Maluach

Thats a great team with length, grit, defense, and scoring.

would you do Richards instead of Oso plus Royce since it seems they don't want Allen per Siegel

That is a maybe. I think we need RIchards with WIlliams injury and Maluachs development.

I would do Oso, Royce, and a future late first for Kuminga. I like Kuminga.

We would need to send more salaries in the trade.

[Sunsdeuce]

this is relevant though:


1 Jeff Hornacek 2015–16
2 Earl Watson 2016–17 and part of 2017–18
3 Jay Triano (interim) 2017–18
4 Igor Kokoskov 2018–19
5 Monty Williams 2019–23
6 Frank Vogel 2023–24
7 Mike Budenholzer 2024–25
8 Jordan Ott 2025–26

To retort that. Good players make coaches look good. So on the flip side, Booker hasn’t exactly made any his coaches look good. It’s a two way street. To me, Booker will always just be today’s version of Gilbert Arenas, all points, no substance. I know I’m not alone in this settlement.

"A player who makes a team great is better than a great player" - John Wooden

“Your best player has to set a tone of intolerance for anything that gets in the way of winning” – Jeff Van Gundy

“Admit to and make yourself accountable for mistakes. How can you improve if you’re never wrong?” – Pat Summitt

Gilbert arenas was an inefficient chucker that had 3 good years. His career arc couldn’t hold books jock strap. If you’re going to keep comparing book to someone try Paul Pierce or Alex English. Like are you stupid enough to not realize we know exactly the type of players you are trying to downplay Bookers career to? I’ve heard you say Zach Lavine, Arenas and a couple others I can’t remember. It’s boring bro. Pack your act up, take your street performance to another corner.

Bro said to compare Booker to Paul Pierce
Paul Piece: 10 time all star, not once an injury replacement selection, championship, primary position: SF

All I ask is that you research harder before you compare players that are totally unrelated by position, championships, all-star selections and skill sets.

(Not once have I compared Booker to Lavine. Find the quote.[hint: you can’t because it doesn’t exist].

“An investment in knowledge pays the best interest” -Benjamin Franklin

[BobbieL]

would you do Richards instead of Oso plus Royce since it seems they don't want Allen per Siegel

That is a maybe. I think we need RIchards with WIlliams injury and Maluachs development.

I would do Oso, Royce, and a future late first for Kuminga. I like Kuminga.

We would need to send more salaries in the trade.

Kuminga is probably going to be in the 25m range
Royce and Richards are about $15, Oso would be $17.

Without them taking Allen - its a tough fit unless Kuminga takes closer to $20m in year 1.
Hard to see a trade unless Allen goes to another team and that team sends a player the Warriors like

[BobbieL]

To retort that. Good players make coaches look good. So on the flip side, Booker hasn’t exactly made any his coaches look good. It’s a two way street. To me, Booker will always just be today’s version of Gilbert Arenas, all points, no substance. I know I’m not alone in this settlement.

"A player who makes a team great is better than a great player" - John Wooden

“Your best player has to set a tone of intolerance for anything that gets in the way of winning” – Jeff Van Gundy

“Admit to and make yourself accountable for mistakes. How can you improve if you’re never wrong?” – Pat Summitt

Gilbert arenas was an inefficient chucker that had 3 good years. His career arc couldn’t hold books jock strap. If you’re going to keep comparing book to someone try Paul Pierce or Alex English. Like are you stupid enough to not realize we know exactly the type of players you are trying to downplay Bookers career to? I’ve heard you say Zach Lavine, Arenas and a couple others I can’t remember. It’s boring bro. Pack your act up, take your street performance to another corner.

Bro said to compare Booker to Paul Pierce
Paul Piece: 10 time all star, not once an injury replacement selection, championship, primary position: SF

All I ask is that you research harder before you compare players that are totally unrelated by position, championships, all-star selections and skill sets.

(Not once have I compared Booker to Lavine. Find the quote.[hint: you can’t because it doesn’t exist].

My comp is DeMar DeRozan. I guess DeMar is more a SF but both excel at the midrange game, mid 30's from the 3 point line. Defense is average. Though Booker has a higher ppg for his career.

[Sunsdeuce]

Gilbert arenas was an inefficient chucker that had 3 good years. His career arc couldn’t hold books jock strap. If you’re going to keep comparing book to someone try Paul Pierce or Alex English. Like are you stupid enough to not realize we know exactly the type of players you are trying to downplay Bookers career to? I’ve heard you say Zach Lavine, Arenas and a couple others I can’t remember. It’s boring bro. Pack your act up, take your street performance to another corner.

Bro said to compare Booker to Paul Pierce
Paul Piece: 10 time all star, not once an injury replacement selection, championship, primary position: SF

All I ask is that you research harder before you compare players that are totally unrelated by position, championships, all-star selections and skill sets.

(Not once have I compared Booker to Lavine. Find the quote.[hint: you can’t because it doesn’t exist].

My comp is DeMar DeRozan. I guess DeMar is more a SF but both excel at the midrange game, mid 30's from the 3 point line. Defense is average. Though Booker has a higher ppg for his career.

Exceptional comparison. Very similar skill sets. Nearly identical statistics. But Demar has 2 more all star selections but that’s one of the best comparisons I have seen so far.

[Blonde]

Bro said to compare Booker to Paul Pierce
Paul Piece: 10 time all star, not once an injury replacement selection, championship, primary position: SF

All I ask is that you research harder before you compare players that are totally unrelated by position, championships, all-star selections and skill sets.

(Not once have I compared Booker to Lavine. Find the quote.[hint: you can’t because it doesn’t exist].

My comp is DeMar DeRozan. I guess DeMar is more a SF but both excel at the midrange game, mid 30's from the 3 point line. Defense is average. Though Booker has a higher ppg for his career.

Exceptional comparison. Very similar skill sets. Nearly identical statistics. But Demar has 2 more all star selections but that’s one of the best comparisons I have seen so far.

To be fair to Booker, he would almost certainly be a 7 time all star if he played in the East.

[BobbieL]

Bro said to compare Booker to Paul Pierce
Paul Piece: 10 time all star, not once an injury replacement selection, championship, primary position: SF

All I ask is that you research harder before you compare players that are totally unrelated by position, championships, all-star selections and skill sets.

(Not once have I compared Booker to Lavine. Find the quote.[hint: you can’t because it doesn’t exist].

My comp is DeMar DeRozan. I guess DeMar is more a SF but both excel at the midrange game, mid 30's from the 3 point line. Defense is average. Though Booker has a higher ppg for his career.

Exceptional comparison. Very similar skill sets. Nearly identical statistics. But Demar has 2 more all star selections but that’s one of the best comparisons I have seen so far.

Oh yes, both are similar athletically. And thats fine as they are good basketball players but not the high level elite athletic skills. Like neither are Zach Lavine athletically but I think both are better pure basketball players than Zach.

there are some Booker-stans on twitter that don't like the comparison

[Bogyo]

Gilbert arenas was an inefficient chucker that had 3 good years. His career arc couldn’t hold books jock strap. If you’re going to keep comparing book to someone try Paul Pierce or Alex English. Like are you stupid enough to not realize we know exactly the type of players you are trying to downplay Bookers career to? I’ve heard you say Zach Lavine, Arenas and a couple others I can’t remember. It’s boring bro. Pack your act up, take your street performance to another corner.

Bro said to compare Booker to Paul Pierce
Paul Piece: 10 time all star, not once an injury replacement selection, championship, primary position: SF

All I ask is that you research harder before you compare players that are totally unrelated by position, championships, all-star selections and skill sets.

(Not once have I compared Booker to Lavine. Find the quote.[hint: you can’t because it doesn’t exist].

My comp is DeMar DeRozan. I guess DeMar is more a SF but both excel at the midrange game, mid 30's from the 3 point line. Defense is average. Though Booker has a higher ppg for his career.

Mitch Richmond when its all said and done. He is not there, but the trajectory fits.

[Saberestar]

Bro said to compare Booker to Paul Pierce
Paul Piece: 10 time all star, not once an injury replacement selection, championship, primary position: SF

All I ask is that you research harder before you compare players that are totally unrelated by position, championships, all-star selections and skill sets.

(Not once have I compared Booker to Lavine. Find the quote.[hint: you can’t because it doesn’t exist].

My comp is DeMar DeRozan. I guess DeMar is more a SF but both excel at the midrange game, mid 30's from the 3 point line. Defense is average. Though Booker has a higher ppg for his career.

Mitch Richmond when its all said and done. He is not there, but the trajectory fits.

That's a great comparison.

Brandon Roy is a good one too IMO.

[SkyBill40]

Beal's rather disrespectful show towards the organization and fans isn't all that surprising. At least we can now get on with whatever we're putting together and without Beal seeing he was a non factor for us. In a chart I saw, the Offensive Rating for the Suns top unit of Booker, Beal, and Durant was 120.8, which is the same value as it was with just Booker and Durant.

I spoke kindly of him over time with this contract stuff but his lack of care just rubs me wrong. Smug ass bastard.

[Sunsdeuce]

Bro said to compare Booker to Paul Pierce
Paul Piece: 10 time all star, not once an injury replacement selection, championship, primary position: SF

All I ask is that you research harder before you compare players that are totally unrelated by position, championships, all-star selections and skill sets.

(Not once have I compared Booker to Lavine. Find the quote.[hint: you can’t because it doesn’t exist].

My comp is DeMar DeRozan. I guess DeMar is more a SF but both excel at the midrange game, mid 30's from the 3 point line. Defense is average. Though Booker has a higher ppg for his career.

Mitch Richmond when it’s all said and done. He is not there, but the trajectory fits.

Another good comp. Obviously Mitch played in a defense intense focused era so the numbers are a little deflated. But put Mitch Richmond in this era, no doubt Mitch would be a 27-30 PPG player.

[Sunsdeuce]

My comp is DeMar DeRozan. I guess DeMar is more a SF but both excel at the midrange game, mid 30's from the 3 point line. Defense is average. Though Booker has a higher ppg for his career.

Mitch Richmond when its all said and done. He is not there, but the trajectory fits.

That's a great comparison.

Brandon Roy is a good one too IMO.

Brandon only played till 26 years old and only 5 seasons so it’s hard to compare but there was a few similarities for sure.