Offseason 2025 Thread

[wilson115]

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I saw a lot of consternation on this quote and listening to the full video I don’t think he’s wrong at all.

Bob Johnson and later MJ (the worst non-criminal owner of the 21st century) made this franchise into a clown show of epic proportions. The new PE guys have somehow lowered the talent level on the roster from even that complete car crash, and just won 40 combined games in two years, drafting Tidjane Salaun and Kon Knueppel for their troubles.

We are still easily a bottom 3 franchise in the NBA and will be until we prove we can actually play serious winning basketball and build a decent team.

I need our guys to listen to this stuff and get angry and really try to prove people wrong. Right now PG’s spot on here, however much the truth hurts.

Honestly agree with his take about missing a winning culture, question's is he talking about the new owners or the guys who've been around a lot longer, the team's so-called established stars? Doubt he'd look at the newer guys like Grant and Brandon and call them part of the problem.

[KembaWalker]

They will just perpetuate the cycle of apathy toward winning by using premium draft capital on untalented guys like Kon Knueppel to try and fix what has never been a player attitude issue. Good teams have player attitude issues all the time. Draymond punches teammates in the face and their slimy coach takes his side etc etc.This teams cycled through dozens and dozens of players and never once truly had that stink off it. Big move of the offseason is acquiring career mega loser Collin Sexton and hyping him up because he makes a crazy face on the court. This is some people’s A+ offseason. Other teams fringe moves are our premier acquisitions.

It’s one of those things where you can kind of get it if you’re bought in and participating daily but if you were to sit there and try to explain it to somebody outside the Hornets fandom you’d realize how hilarious it actually is

[LofJ]

Terry was throwing games when he played for us. It's no wonder new ownership is determined to change the culture.

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[fatlever]

Terry was throwing games when he played for us. It's no wonder new ownership is determined to change the culture.

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not new news tho..

I did watch an hour long Youtube investigation on the Malik Beasley situation from Pablo Discovers... They went super duper deep on trying to figure out who was behind both the Porter and Beasley situations. Essentially it was two Middle Eastern dudes from New York area.

The Terry situation is definitely unconnected to either one of those. I think there's definitely something fishy here but I'm not convinced that Terry was actually involved. I think it's possible that someone from the team may have known that the coaches planned to only play Terry a short amount of time in that game. Or it's possible that someone just knew that he had a nagging ankle injury and that the Hornets were being super cautious with players since we were tanking. idk... Terry's kind of an idiot, but I'll give him The benefit of the doubt here until proven otherwise.

Unless Terry owed somebody money and this was the only way out of it I still can't fathom why NBA players would risk their careers over what amounts to be helping some random people make a few $1000.

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But if Terry is the one that manufactured a foot injury to get himself out of the game after 10 minutes then yeah he's cooked. I just think its entirely possible that someone in the organization knew that he had some foot discomfort and there was a good chance he wouldn't play much.

[fatlever]

3 more cuts to make
- jeffries
- nsj
- connaughton
- Baugh Will probably get cut and replaced by a different two way player.

PG: LaMelo ~ Mann ~ Dinwiddie - Simpson (2way) - Baugh (2way)
SG: Green ~ Sexton ~ Sion - Connaughton - NSJr
SF: Miller ~ Kon ~ McNeeley - Jeffries - Peterson (2way)
PF: Miles ~ Grant (IR) ~ Salaun
C: Diabate ~ Plumlee ~ Kalkbrenner

revision
- im starting kon from day 1. he will help melo/miller immediately
- let sexton, mann carry offense on 2nd unit
- id cut baugh, sign hall to the 3rd 2way
- still expect nsj, connaughton, jefferies to be cut, bought out or traded

PG: LaMelo ~ Mann ~ Dinwiddie ~ Simpson (2way)
SG: Kon ~ Sexton ~ Sion
SF: Miller ~ Green ~ McNeeley ~ Peterson (2way)
PF: Miles ~ Grant (IR) ~ Salaun
C: Diabate ~ Plumlee ~ Kalkbrenner ~ Hall (2way)

[bravor]

Some interesting takes to read on this topic from Orlando subforum

how you seen the development of Sarr? Seems to have grown up somewhat .

Sorry for missing your post, had not log in for a while

I am still dubious about his real toughness and real (positive) impact on the win column. I doubt he can be a viable center in fiba bball, but he has the skillset to be a good pf (pretty sure he can improve a lot in that area, we saw games from him where he was connecting most of his jumpers and/or doing some good post moves). Passing well is another thing he has to be reliable with if you want me to buy into his potential at the top level.
Physically he's obviously stronger, that's a fact (and it should improve as well this offseason i assume).

I would still rather have, say, Batcho as center for us (our nt, at least when Victor is here) than Sarr. Or Raynaud. We should see what he can do during Eurobasket since we currently
have a depleted frontcourt

ps : and sorry for the offtopic

[JustBuzzin]

3 more cuts to make
- jeffries
- nsj
- connaughton
- Baugh Will probably get cut and replaced by a different two way player.

PG: LaMelo ~ Mann ~ Dinwiddie - Simpson (2way) - Baugh (2way)
SG: Green ~ Sexton ~ Sion - Connaughton - NSJr
SF: Miller ~ Kon ~ McNeeley - Jeffries - Peterson (2way)
PF: Miles ~ Grant (IR) ~ Salaun
C: Diabate ~ Plumlee ~ Kalkbrenner

revision
- im starting kon from day 1. he will help melo/miller immediately
- let sexton, mann carry offense on 2nd unit
- id cut baugh, sign hall to the 3rd 2way
- still expect nsj, connaughton, jefferies to be cut, bought out or traded

PG: LaMelo ~ Mann ~ Dinwiddie ~ Simpson (2way)
SG: Kon ~ Sexton ~ Sion
SF: Miller ~ Green ~ McNeeley ~ Peterson (2way)
PF: Miles ~ Grant (IR) ~ Salaun
C: Diabate ~ Plumlee ~ Kalkbrenner ~ Hall (2way)

Sexton /Mann off the bench is a terrible fit.

I do agree that Kon should start, but the Sexton trade and bringing Mann back screwed up our rotation. Why would you give your #4 pick all this competition at guard it makes no sense.

Based on fit I think Sexton will start. Bring Mann/Kon off the bench together much better fit than Mann/Sexton.

[MasterIchiro]

I don't see a world where Kon displaces Collin Sexton in the starting lineup on day 1 or at any time this season or the next 3 if Sexton is retained. I'm so looking forward to running an established primary playmaker as a secondary playmaker alongside LaMelo. Sexton is capable of breaking down the defense, pressuring the rim, and drawing heat off Melo. It's critical we preserve Melo so I don't see us tasking a rookie with that responsibility.

Sexton is third option after Melo and Miller whereas Kon would be 4th option, which would limit his touches and attempts. I think the proper development path would be to play Kon off the bench alongside Mann as option 2 or 3 after Tre and maybe even Liam.

I think there's a better chance Liam is first off the bench (it will be Tre) than there is of Kon starting or Kon being first off the bench.

LaMelo - Sexton - Miller - Miles are the big boys. Kon isn't close to their level right now.

[JDR720]

I expect we'll play a lot of small ball

Melo - Mann - Dinwiddie - KJ
Sexton - Green - Sion
Miller - Kon - McNeeley - Peterson
Miles - Grant - Salaun
Diabate - Plum - Kalk - Hall

Grant will get about 10mins as a small C. Miller will play some PF.

Another option is we only play 1 of our listed centers.

Melo - Mann
Sexton - Green
Miller - Kon
Miles - (Miller) - Grant
Diabate - (Grant)

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[Heelsfan119]

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Technically, we have 3 presently. I thought they may drop Baugh but who knows.

[SWedd523]

Baugh should've been dropped for Hall a long time ago

[EmpireFalls]

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Even though this is just a small thing, add it to the list of these marginal moves that are making me begin to hate Jeff. Why exactly do we need to keep Baugh on a two-way? Are people really clamoring for Damion Baugh so bad that he needs to be protected?

We now enter the season with 3 bigs, none of whom would even come close to starting in a team with playoff aspirations. Plumlee was one of the worst players in the NBA last season, Kalk looks too slow for Summer League at times, and Diabate has nice energy but has zero starting chops.