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[ShootingtheJ]

He's eligible for a 2 way contract. He had a really good rookie year, fell off pretty bad last year.

Ricky Council IV is easily my favorite of the Ricky Councils.

Def in my top 5.

They let him go because he can't shoot

He didn't shoot the 3 well with the 76ers last year, but shot 38% from 3 as a rookie, and 38% from in the G League over 2 years. He's a wing that can defend, he'd be a good use of a 2 way contract.

[bucksfansince88]

2019 Wes would be so dope on this team. If Prince could be even 70% of 2019 Wes we'd be in a great spot but the dude **** sucks.

Would love to pry Hart from the knicks somehow.

[midranger]

Def in my top 5.

They let him go because he can't shoot

He didn't shoot the 3 well with the 76ers last year, but shot 38% from 3 as a rookie, and 38% from in the G League over 2 years. He's a wing that can defend, he'd be a good use of a 2 way contract.

Because Community Notes are always needed with some posters, context:

He had 32 attempts his rookie year.

He shot 35.9% over 2 years in the G league (not 38%) on a total of 78 attempts. (I WAS WRONG ABOUT THIS, SEE BELOW.)


Last year, he shot approximately twice as many attempts as all those years combined (213) and shot 25.8%.

Over 3 years of college ball, with the closer arc, he attempted 238 threes and shot 30.3%.

You all be the judge of whether or not he can shoot. While doing so, also consider he’s a highly athletic wing with ideal size and defensive upside who was not drafted and was just cut.

My take: Worth a flier? Sure, but I haven’t explored alternatives. Shot can develop. But he’s starting out as a horrendous three point shooter. Maybe he becomes Demar Derozan and it just doesn’t matter because he’s so good inside the arc.

[MickeyDavis]

They let him go because he can't shoot

He didn't shoot the 3 well with the 76ers last year, but shot 38% from 3 as a rookie, and 38% from in the G League over 2 years. He's a wing that can defend, he'd be a good use of a 2 way contract.

Because Community Notes are always needed with some posters, context:

He had 32 attempts his rookie year.

He shot 35.9% over 2 years in the G league (not 38%) on a total of 78 attempts.


Last year, he shot approximately twice as many attempts as all those years combined (213) and shot 25.8%.

Over 3 years of college ball, with the closer arc, he attempted 238 threes and shot 30.3%.

You all be the judge of whether or not he can shoot. While doing so, also consider he’s a highly athletic wing with ideal size and defensive upside who was not drafted and was just cut.

My take: Worth a flier? Sure, but I haven’t explored alternatives. Shot can develop. But he’s starting out as a horrendous three point shooter. Maybe he becomes Demar Derozan and it just doesn’t matter because he’s so good inside the arc.

Yes, context matters. Sample size matters (a lot) . The guy can't shoot.

[Perishable517]

Although I'd still trade for him, another issue with RJ is last 4 seasons games played:

58
32
26
58

I don't think he's worth even a protected 1st swap.

This was a real eye opener.

Didn't know and I absolutely do not want

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[Bernman]

Although I'd still trade for him, another issue with RJ is last 4 seasons games played:

58
32
26
58

I don't think he's worth even a protected 1st swap.

This was a real eye opener.

Didn't know and I absolutely do not want

You didn't know because it's highly inaccurate. The two middle seasons are parts of 1 cuz he was traded. It's 58, 58, 73, 70.

But the eye opener should be his really bad on/off's & ts%'es. Why, in conjunction w/ the salary, he's not worth a 1st, if a trade, period.

[midranger]

Can RealGM invest in an AI Community Notes situation so fake statistics don’t constantly get posted? Partners with BBall Reference or something?

[ShootingtheJ]

They let him go because he can't shoot

He didn't shoot the 3 well with the 76ers last year, but shot 38% from 3 as a rookie, and 38% from in the G League over 2 years. He's a wing that can defend, he'd be a good use of a 2 way contract.

Because Community Notes are always needed with some posters, context:

He had 32 attempts his rookie year.

He shot 35.9% over 2 years in the G league (not 38%) on a total of 78 attempts.

Yes community notes are needed with some posters. Midranger neglected the Season Tip-off Tounament and the G League Playoffs, so he's leaving out a whopping 117 attempts.

Yes, Council did shoot 38% from 3 in the G League when using all 195 attempts, and obviously the larger sample size matters .

[midranger]

Mea culpa, if true. I did not include stats to things that I didn’t know existed.

I’m not sure what the tip off tournament is (NIT?), but bro may have put up numbers. Good to get that additional context and I apologize for flawed analysis.

Edit: now I see the separate tabs on the g league page of bball reference for the new 16 game tip off tournament. Sincerely appreciate being called out when I’m wrong like that. Learned a few things about the g league, the bball reference site, and Ricky council. Apologies again.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Mea culpa, if true. I did not include stats to things that I didn’t know existed.

I’m not sure what the tip off tournament is (NIT?), but bro may have put up numbers. Good to get that additional context and I apologize for flawed analysis.

Edit: now I see the separate tabs on the g league page of bball reference for the new 16 game tip off tournament. Sincerely appreciate being called out when I’m wrong like that. Learned a few things about the g league, the bball reference site, and Ricky council. Apologies again.

if we all responded this way to shared data that may become available to our initial thoughts we'd be the most epic forum on the internet. kudos

[Finn]

This was a real eye opener.

Didn't know and I absolutely do not want

You didn't know because it's highly inaccurate. The two middle seasons are parts of 1 cuz he was traded. It's 58, 58, 73, 70.

But the eye opener should be his really bad on/off's & ts%'es. Why, in conjunction w/ the salary, he's not worth a 1st, if a trade, period.

OP should go back & edit his post.

[ReddRum]

Not sure if this was posted yesterday: https://basketnews.com/news-228408-bucks-nets-trade-rumors-cam-thomas-kyle-kuzma-deal.html#google_vignette

I know Cam Thomas has been rumored to be a Bucks target for awhile now so nothing really new.

[BroncoBuck]

Who is the odd man out in Utah? Does Ainge try to sell Sensabaugh after a hot summer/post All Star break run? They have to give big minutes to Ace Bailey. Do they sell high on Sensabaugh and hope Cody Williams isn’t as awful as he looked out there, or do they just dump Williams now.

I’d imagine they keep Sensabaugh, but they are a perennial tanking team that seems to make bizarre choices at every opportunity they get.

[yb90]

Not sure if this was posted yesterday: https://basketnews.com/news-228408-bucks-nets-trade-rumors-cam-thomas-kyle-kuzma-deal.html#google_vignette

I know Cam Thomas has been rumored to be a Bucks target for awhile now so nothing really new.

I'd rather just give the ball to KPJ than to add Thomas.

[Badgerlander]

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He shoots 40% from the corners and 44% midrange, is a good defender and he is a freight train that gets deflections, draws fouls, and orebs in bunches.

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He would immediately be our most talented two way guy

[ShootingtheJ]

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He shoots 40% from the corners and 44% midrange, is a good defender and he is a freight train that gets deflections, draws fouls, and orebs in bunches.

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He would immediately be our most talented two way guy

Get him out from under Nick Nurse and he'll be a solid NBA rotation player.

[tedbrogen]

I’d take him on one of the Bucks two ways, if only because none of their current two ways have any path to being actual rotational players. Nance can play in emergencies because he’s tall. Bouyea is obviously never going to be a rotational player in the league and Sears would have be one of the most elite shooters in league history to find a spot. I’d cut either immediately for RCIV.

[Jez2983]

I’d have my doubts, yeah.

Wow.

I've no doubt that we'd do that trade. Barrett is definitely the right sort of guy to thrive next to Giannis. I'm also certain Horst isn't a fool, he can see what Kuzma's on court production is (or lack thereof). And getting a first? As long as management was happy to take on the salary and tax I've no doubt Horst would do the deal.

Please provide stats that show why Barrett is ideal next to GA. All I see are stats showing he is below league average from three, a sub par finisher at the rim, inefficient even though he only takes shots that are efficient, not a good defender, and doesn’t create for others.

That was quite a strong response. I liked how you turned what I wrote (the right sort of guy) into 'ideal next to Giannis'. I'm not providing stats, you've obviously drawn your own conclusion anyway.

RJ + a pick is intriguing as I think Giannis' gravity would present a situation where RJs inefficiency that you highlighted may be lessened. And I'm always happy for a pick, which was why I commented in the first place.

I mean maybe we can trade for prime Klay Thompson, but at this point the RJs of the world are probably what is the best of what is available.

[BigO]

Thoughts:

1) This board, as only it can do, has discussed RJ Barrett to the point of absurdity. Please stop. All the points, pro and con, have been made.Wait till the Bucks get him and then weigh in.

2) Giddey- the next RJ Barrett?- He's intriguing, given his total numbers are insane (scoring, rebounds, assists). And then I think of Westbrook and back off a little. I haven't seeen him enough to come to any conclusion. My guess is few on here have seen him that much either, so it becomes an advanced stat debate, which is rarely insightful.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

whats worth more next offseason? rj with his contract and a pick or kuzma as a cheaper expiring?

if barrett and a pick is even available for the likes of kuzma it seems kind of dangerous in my mind. like are we digging a deeper hole financially and on the floor? how would both guys respond to being benched if needed and what impact in the lockerroom? i think barrett is gonna play alot regardless. i could see kuzma accepting a lesser role but not barrett. the question is more or less who is capable of doing more harm.....not really who is going to contribute.


thats all it boils down to for me. i dont see either player changing their "value" all that much. neither is going to ever get the kind of contract or role theyve had previously. im going to continue to suggest we just take another mini swing with kuzma and if he remains who he was we just sit his contract out this year