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Post#1261 » by Pointgod » Yesterday 1:06 am

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bballsparkin wrote:The Bulls never held on to Vuc for too long. Oh knows they lost out on a 2nd round draft pick last TDL. They overpaid when acquiring him because ownership wants to compete for play ins. I would have said hell no to the offers teams like GSW made for him too. A second round pick does them little help.


Vucevic could have netted a first round pick if they had moved him a couple seasons ago. They could have gotten two firsts for Caruso, a first for Lonzo and they completely botched the LaVine trade. Just an example of poor mismanagement and planning

You are overestimating the return, like people did it with Masai trades. It takes someone willing to do those trades.

Only a contender or s stupid GM would've gone for those players. Perhaps the returns were low, it's not like teams were lining up for Vuc, nor Lavine due to salary and injuries. In terms of contenders they don't pay that much. Now stupid GMs could have tried perhaps, but it's not so easy to convince them.


I’m not overestimating the return for these trades, these are all reported. The older a player gets and the closer to them finishing their contract the worse return you get. The exception for this maybe top 10 players but it’s definitely true for Vucevic. Bulls completely botched this to the extent that they might just buy out Vucevic mid season which is such a total mismanagement of assets.

The Bulls have received multiple trade offers over the years for Nikola Vucevic.


https://clutchpoints.com/nba/chicago-bulls/bulls-rumors-slapped-harsh-nikola-vucevic-trade-reality
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Post#1262 » by Thaddy » Yesterday 3:22 am

Maybe we can deal for Fleming using Agbaji? We still need a defensive C to back up Poeltl. He'd be a good fit with his shooting.

Poeltl / Mamu / Chomche
Barnes / CMB / Fleming
Ingram / Walter / Mogbo
Barrett / Dick / Battle
IQ / Shead / Martin

We'd have some balance with our back ups and we could see who emerges and takes steps forward.
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Post#1263 » by Duffman100 » Yesterday 12:59 pm

Thaddy wrote:Maybe we can deal for Fleming using Agbaji? We still need a defensive C to back up Poeltl. He'd be a good fit with his shooting.

Poeltl / Mamu / Chomche
Barnes / CMB / Fleming
Ingram / Walter / Mogbo
Barrett / Dick / Battle
IQ / Shead / Martin

We'd have some balance with our back ups and we could see who emerges and takes steps forward.


I'm hesitant to give up our only 40% (ish) 3P shooter right now.
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Post#1264 » by Thaddy » Yesterday 1:29 pm

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Thaddy wrote:Maybe we can deal for Fleming using Agbaji? We still need a defensive C to back up Poeltl. He'd be a good fit with his shooting.

Poeltl / Mamu / Chomche
Barnes / CMB / Fleming
Ingram / Walter / Mogbo
Barrett / Dick / Battle
IQ / Shead / Martin

We'd have some balance with our back ups and we could see who emerges and takes steps forward.


I'm hesitant to give up our only 40% (ish) 3P shooter right now.

He took a leap last year. If he can do the same this year he might be even better. The mid range area is a hidden strength for him, if he learns how to get to his spots and use his body for finishing he could be an above average starter. The issue is that he isn't someone we can afford unless we off load RJ. It's also clear RJ is still looked at unfavourably for his contract but most NBA fans. Unless RJ has an all star season we're going to have to trade another player to make room under the tax.
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Post#1265 » by Los_29 » Yesterday 2:09 pm

Thaddy wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Maybe we can deal for Fleming using Agbaji? We still need a defensive C to back up Poeltl. He'd be a good fit with his shooting.

Poeltl / Mamu / Chomche
Barnes / CMB / Fleming
Ingram / Walter / Mogbo
Barrett / Dick / Battle
IQ / Shead / Martin

We'd have some balance with our back ups and we could see who emerges and takes steps forward.


I'm hesitant to give up our only 40% (ish) 3P shooter right now.

He took a leap last year. If he can do the same this year he might be even better. The mid range area is a hidden strength for him, if he learns how to get to his spots and use his body for finishing he could be an above average starter. The issue is that he isn't someone we can afford unless we off load RJ. It's also clear RJ is still looked at unfavourably for his contract but most NBA fans. Unless RJ has an all star season we're going to have to trade another player to make room under the tax.


Phoenix has way too many guards and wings. They are also a bad team that is in a horrible cap situation. That trade doesn’t make sense. Also doesn’t make much sense for us either.
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Post#1266 » by CazOnReal » Yesterday 2:58 pm

If we're giving up one of our SGs for a "better fit", it should probably be for someone who has actually played a minute in the NBA
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Post#1267 » by Thaddy » Yesterday 3:23 pm

CazOnReal wrote:If we're giving up one of our SGs for a "better fit", it should probably be for someone who has actually played a minute in the NBA

We need someone on a cheap deal for a few years because all of our starters are overpaid.
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Post#1268 » by Los_29 » Yesterday 3:29 pm

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CazOnReal wrote:If we're giving up one of our SGs for a "better fit", it should probably be for someone who has actually played a minute in the NBA

We need someone on a cheap deal for a few years because all of our starters are overpaid.


I’m almost positive Poeltl is going to start next year.

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mihaic wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Vucevic could have netted a first round pick if they had moved him a couple seasons ago. They could have gotten two firsts for Caruso, a first for Lonzo and they completely botched the LaVine trade. Just an example of poor mismanagement and planning

You are overestimating the return, like people did it with Masai trades. It takes someone willing to do those trades.

Only a contender or s stupid GM would've gone for those players. Perhaps the returns were low, it's not like teams were lining up for Vuc, nor Lavine due to salary and injuries. In terms of contenders they don't pay that much. Now stupid GMs could have tried perhaps, but it's not so easy to convince them.


I’m not overestimating the return for these trades, these are all reported. The older a player gets and the closer to them finishing their contract the worse return you get. The exception for this maybe top 10 players but it’s definitely true for Vucevic. Bulls completely botched this to the extent that they might just buy out Vucevic mid season which is such a total mismanagement of assets.

The Bulls have received multiple trade offers over the years for Nikola Vucevic.


https://clutchpoints.com/nba/chicago-bulls/bulls-rumors-slapped-harsh-nikola-vucevic-trade-reality


But what was being offered? And when? The Bulls weren’t going to deal him in 2022 or 2023. There was very little interest in Vucevic at the deadline and that was when he was actually playing well and being efficient. The year before his TS% was 54%.

I don’t doubt there were offers but I doubt there was anything of quality. Maybe a low value FRP and filler. Nothing great but could be wrong. His value hasn’t been great for awhile now.
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Post#1269 » by bballsparkin » Yesterday 3:33 pm

Pointgod wrote:
I’m not overestimating the return for these trades, these are all reported. The older a player gets and the closer to them finishing their contract the worse return you get. The exception for this maybe top 10 players but it’s definitely true for Vucevic. Bulls completely botched this to the extent that they might just buy out Vucevic mid season which is such a total mismanagement of assets.

The Bulls have received multiple trade offers over the years for Nikola Vucevic.


https://clutchpoints.com/nba/chicago-bulls/bulls-rumors-slapped-harsh-nikola-vucevic-trade-reality


Multiple trade offers is pretty vague though. It doesn't state that any of the offers were good. What I don't understand is why the Bulls would buy him out? It's not like they have numerous Centers lining up behind him as far as I can see.
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Post#1271 » by CazOnReal » Yesterday 4:49 pm

Thaddy wrote:
CazOnReal wrote:If we're giving up one of our SGs for a "better fit", it should probably be for someone who has actually played a minute in the NBA

We need someone on a cheap deal for a few years because all of our starters are overpaid.

Someone cheap like...Ochai on a reasonable extension

Like ignoring that Fleming is on a typical 2nd year contract and could just end up being a bust, there's a much move obvious player to trade if freeing up cap space is the goal.
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Post#1272 » by Thaddy » Today 5:12 am

CazOnReal wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
CazOnReal wrote:If we're giving up one of our SGs for a "better fit", it should probably be for someone who has actually played a minute in the NBA

We need someone on a cheap deal for a few years because all of our starters are overpaid.

Someone cheap like...Ochai on a reasonable extension

Like ignoring that Fleming is on a typical 2nd year contract and could just end up being a bust, there's a much move obvious player to trade if freeing up cap space is the goal.

I would be okay with 15M but that means finding an RJ trade. Agbaji nor RJ is worth luxury tax at this stage.

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