Free Agency & Trades Thread 2 **NOW OPEN**

[Godaddycurse]

Like I’ve said, restricted free agency is a joke now. Kuminga has teams willing to offer him more money but he’s being forced to depress his salary because the Warriors can’t take on more salary. How does that make sense?

Life isn't always fair - Maybe if the % of the salary cap that top stars can earn was less then there would be more for the remaining players - the NBA is a business after all and players earn around 50% of revenue.

There are two teams offering to pay him 90 million, Golden State isn’t even offering half of that. In what world does it make sense that Kuminga can’t get his fair market value because of some archaic rules?

considering he rejected a 150/5 yr offer a year prior i dont really feel that bad for him.

[ArthurVandelay]

Life isn't always fair - Maybe if the % of the salary cap that top stars can earn was less then there would be more for the remaining players - the NBA is a business after all and players earn around 50% of revenue.

There are two teams offering to pay him 90 million, Golden State isn’t even offering half of that. In what world does it make sense that Kuminga can’t get his fair market value because of some archaic rules?

considering he rejected a 150/5 yr offer a year prior i dont really feel that bad for him.

It was reported last week that offer was never offered

Don’t know what is true or not but just putting it out there

[CazOnReal]

I know he's young, but I feel like whoever ends up with Kuminga on that kind of salary will end up very disappointed in the contract.

Sounds like a Sun/King to me!

[ArthurVandelay]

Think he'll take the QO and get his freedom next summer

He should take the $45m then let it be known he wants to be traded

Unless GSW wants to go into next season with him expiring, he’ll be traded in less than a year

He’ll also have more say over where he goes because he’ll have unrestricted FA coming up

[Brinbe]

Think he'll take the QO and get his freedom next summer

He should take the $45m then let it be known he wants to be traded

Unless GSW wants to go into next season with him expiring, he’ll be traded in less than a year

He’ll also have more say over where he goes because he’ll have unrestricted FA coming up

that's the leverage he's using now as he'll a no-trade if he accepts.

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[Tofubeque]

If the Suns and Kings wanted Kuminga so bad, they could have cleared enough space to sign him to an offer sheet. Or kept enough assets to trade for him. They have neither because they're 2 of the most mismanaged teams in the NBA. They're both about 7mil under the 2nd apron, and 1 of them will pay Bradley Beal to not play for them until next decade.

I don't know if RFA is the best system, but for competition reasons you probably don't want fully capped-out teams to swoop in and offer rookie scale players 90M.

[Tor_Raps]

Like I’ve said, restricted free agency is a joke now. Kuminga has teams willing to offer him more money but he’s being forced to depress his salary because the Warriors can’t take on more salary. How does that make sense?

Just accept the Qualifying Offer and bet on yourself. Teams having cap space during your free agency year is part of luck so it sucks for all the RFAs/FAs this year.

Easy to say bet on yourself but let’s say Kuminga takes the QA and blows an Achilles next year. He’s never going to recoup that money, while he has multiple teams willing to pay him this year but because of the stupid CBA rules. Keep in mind I understand what Golden State can’t take back salary in a sign and trade but that doesn’t mean the players should get screwed.

Kuminga is dealing with the same rules that every player has for the past 20+ years. Restricted free agency has allowed teams to keep their young players, especially small markets.

If we had that in 2000, we probably wouldn't have lost Tmac to Orlando so there are give and takes with every rule out there. Kuminga has turned down 2/45, doubt we're going to feel sorry for him lol.

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Warriors “This guy stinks, he’s a bad teammate and stupid”

Also Warriors “We’ll take nothing less than an unprotected first round pick and the 51% equity stake in the Kings for Kuminga”

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Dumars handing out an unprotected pick got everyone asking now lol. Hopefully Kings zag and go for RJ instead. I'd gladly take Monk, Carter, FRP for RJ .

[ArthurVandelay]

One thing about the Warriors is they have something like $28m to work with before they are hard capped.

They are trying to sign Horford (tax MLE) and Melton (minimum) and either Kuminga or whatever they get back for him in a S&T

[douggood]

One thing about the Warriors is they have something like $28m to work with before they are hard capped.

They are trying to sign Horford (tax MLE) and Melton (minimum) and either Kuminga or whatever they get back for him in a S&T

yep they cannot afford to give kuminga more than $21.5ish mil
there is a reason horford hasnt officially signed. because the moment he does they get hardcapped and other teams now know exactly how much max the warriors can offer him and then a team like BKN or Utah can offersheet him and put gsw on the clock.

[mtcan]

If the Suns and Kings wanted Kuminga so bad, they could have cleared enough space to sign him to an offer sheet. Or kept enough assets to trade for him. They have neither because they're 2 of the most mismanaged teams in the NBA. They're both about 7mil under the 2nd apron, and 1 of them will pay Bradley Beal to not play for them until next decade.

I don't know if RFA is the best system, but for competition reasons you probably don't want fully capped-out teams to swoop in and offer rookie scale players 90M.

Ishbia and Ranadive are competing to see who can out-do each other for the dumbest billionaire owner in the league. Title no longer belongs to James Dolan. They run their teams like an 8 year old in a toy store with mom's credit card.

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Like I’ve said, restricted free agency is a joke now. Kuminga has teams willing to offer him more money but he’s being forced to depress his salary because the Warriors can’t take on more salary. How does that make sense?

If they are offering it then he should sign the deal & force GSW to match, either way he gets his money, I don't even think Sac & PHX can offer that deal, it's just they would give him that much if GS agreed to a sign & trade

4yrs 90 is equivalent to the 2yrs 45 GS wants to give him

[Thaddy]

I guess Lavine and DeRozan can bring up the ball and give it to Sabonis. It might be a way for them to actually play bigger despite not having a C. Kuminga has a lot of potential but I doubt he gets there.

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Like I’ve said, restricted free agency is a joke now. Kuminga has teams willing to offer him more money but he’s being forced to depress his salary because the Warriors can’t take on more salary. How does that make sense?

If they are offering it then he should sign the deal & force GSW to match, either way he gets his money, I don't even think Sac & PHX can offer that deal, it's just they would give him that much if GS agreed to a sign & trade

4yrs 90 is equivalent to the 2yrs 45 GS wants to give him

If you do the math on the Warriors offering 2/45 and him being offered 4/90 but that being 70 million more than what the Warriors offered in guaranteed money, it becomes clear that the 2nd year is a team option. So they are basically offering him around 22 million instead of the QO and being tethered to the next team he is traded to. I think he should take the qualifying offer. The other teams can’t give him that offer without a sign and trade as you mentioned. Taking the qualifying offer gives him a no trade clause.

[ArthurVandelay]

Like I’ve said, restricted free agency is a joke now. Kuminga has teams willing to offer him more money but he’s being forced to depress his salary because the Warriors can’t take on more salary. How does that make sense?

If they are offering it then he should sign the deal & force GSW to match, either way he gets his money, I don't even think Sac & PHX can offer that deal, it's just they would give him that much if GS agreed to a sign & trade

4yrs 90 is equivalent to the 2yrs 45 GS wants to give him

If you do the math on the Warriors offering 2/45 and him being offered 4/90 but that being 70 million more than what the Warriors offered in guaranteed money, it becomes clear that the 2nd year is a team option. So they are basically offering him around 22 million instead of the QO and being tethered to the next team he is traded to. I think he should take the qualifying offer. The other teams can’t give him that offer without a sign and trade as you mentioned. Taking the qualifying offer gives him a no trade clause.

The threat of not resigning should be enough of a deterrent to not need the no trade clause

The other factor I haven’t seen mentioned is if he takes the QO, he’s likely to be given much less opportunity. If he gets buried on the bench, gets DNP-CD, or is froze out of offense (all things Kerr has done in the past) or maybe he just has a crap year and doesn’t live up to expectations, he might not get the offers he wants in UFA either.

Can’t leave guaranteed money on the table as a RFA. Too much risk.

Another solution could be take the 2 year offer but look for a player option year 2.

[Brinbe]

It's a risk but he'd also be a 23 year old UFA. And even a half year of inactivity won't completely kill his market. At this point it's more about untethering himself to an undesirable environment than the upfront money. And they've constantly proven him right with how they've mishandled him over the past four years.

They clearly don't value him but yet they also want the moon for him. It makes no sense. The Suns or Kings would at least be a fresh start with a guaranteed bigger role.

The amount of control these teams have over a player's young career is kinda messed up if you think about it. At least in football it's a bit easier to move on to a different situation if necessary

[ForeverTFC]

It's a risk but he'd also be a 23 year old UFA. And even a half year of inactivity won't completely kill his market. At this point it's more about untethering himself to an undesirable environment than the upfront money. And they've constantly proven him right with how they've mishandled him over the past four years.

They clearly don't value him but yet they also want the moon for him. It makes no sense. The Suns or Kings would at least be a fresh start with a guaranteed bigger role.

The amount of control these teams have over a player's young career is kinda messed up if you think about it. At least in football it's a bit easier to move on to a different situation if necessary

The NBA makes it really hard for players to accept the QO because you lose bird rights. If he takes the QA, his only path is UFA and UFA won't be a good time for him given who is projected to have money...

[Brinbe]

It's a risk but he'd also be a 23 year old UFA. And even a half year of inactivity won't completely kill his market. At this point it's more about untethering himself to an undesirable environment than the upfront money. And they've constantly proven him right with how they've mishandled him over the past four years.

They clearly don't value him but yet they also want the moon for him. It makes no sense. The Suns or Kings would at least be a fresh start with a guaranteed bigger role.

The amount of control these teams have over a player's young career is kinda messed up if you think about it. At least in football it's a bit easier to move on to a different situation if necessary

The NBA makes it really hard for players to accept the QO because you lose bird rights. If he takes the QA, his only path is UFA and UFA won't be a good time for him given who is projected to have money...

lol their offer already erases his bird rights and they want him to rescind the no-trade included in that.

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again, given all the options he wants freedom and a fresh start, not necessarily up-front money.

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