MLB Trade Deadline & Jays Trade Deadline Thread

[LoveMyRaps]

I think barker is fkin spun

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[WuTang_OG]

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[LoveMyRaps]

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[Randle McMurphy]

Regarding Bieber's $16m player option and the $4m buyout, I assume it works like this.

Part #1 - Bieber has the option to opt out and become a FA, or exercise the $16M player option.
Part #2 - If he exercises his $16M player option, the Jays then have the choice of buying him out for $4m.

Correct?

My understanding is if Bieber declines his option, he gets 4M. He effectively signed a 1/14M deal with the option tacked on. Another reason he’s virtually assured to decline that option if he’s healthy at year’s end.

[Mehar]

Regarding Bieber's $16m player option and the $4m buyout, I assume it works like this.

Part #1 - Bieber has the option to opt out and become a FA, or exercise the $16M player option.
Part #2 - If he exercises his $16M player option, the Jays then have the choice of buying him out for $4m.

Correct?

My understanding is if Bieber declines his option, he gets 4M. He effectively signed a 1/14M deal with the option tacked on. Another reason he’s virtually assured to decline that option if he’s healthy at year’s end.

Jays will still extend a 21 million Qualifying Offer to him, after he declines his option. Bieber will most likely decline that also based on how he performs the rest of the year, and if he leaves- a compensatory draft pick is what this organization will get.

[JaysRule15]

I think barker is fkin spun

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It's crazy how this guy even has a job. We added two high leverage relievers and a starting pitcher with a ton of pedigree, and this guy isn't sure if the team is better today instead of yesterday

[Tripod]

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It's crazy how this guy even has a job. We added two high leverage relievers and a starting pitcher with a ton of pedigree, and this guy isn't sure if the team is better today instead of yesterday

Well technically Seranthony was aquired the day before....and Beiber doesn't help the team today.

But he was just fired up because he wanted one of the top relievers to push everyone down, including Hoffman. He wanted an "automatic" closer who is predictable day in day out and stated Hoffman just isn't that. And that for sure was just clouding his reaction at that time.

We for sure got better for the playoff run, we just could have done more. He said something like "I was hoping they would add to step on the throats of the opponent and they didn't do that".

[Duffman100]

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It's crazy how this guy even has a job. We added two high leverage relievers and a starting pitcher with a ton of pedigree, and this guy isn't sure if the team is better today instead of yesterday

Well technically Seranthony was aquired the day before....and Beiber doesn't help the team today

I mean technically "today", no. But he'll make his first start in like a week or two.

[bluerap23]

I'm feeling pretty good about our playoff bullpen. We fell short on adding offence (not a surprise for this front office). Hoping guys like Loperfido and Lukes can stay hot. Praying Santander can get healthy. Still it is a B+ deadline based on the adds and the cost.

[COY0607]

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Both of them for weeks have been saying the Jays need an elite RP who’s an established closer (i.e., Emmanuel Clase).

They were setting themselves and their listeners up for disappointment. I never thought this FO would put Nimala or Trey on the trade block for that kind of RP

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Regarding Bieber's $16m player option and the $4m buyout, I assume it works like this.

Part #1 - Bieber has the option to opt out and become a FA, or exercise the $16M player option.
Part #2 - If he exercises his $16M player option, the Jays then have the choice of buying him out for $4m.

Correct?

My understanding is if Bieber declines his option, he gets 4M. He effectively signed a 1/14M deal with the option tacked on. Another reason he’s virtually assured to decline that option if he’s healthy at year’s end.

Jays will still extend a 21 million Qualifying Offer to him, after he declines his option. Bieber will most likely decline that also based on how he performs the rest of the year, and if he leaves- a compensatory draft pick is what this organization will get.

We do not get a compensatory pick as he was acquired in-season. (We'd get a comp pick if we qualify Bo Bichette and he declines it and leaves as an FA). And I assume if Beiber declines his option, he is a free agent and the team owes him nothing. If he picks up his option, the team can buy him out of it for $4 million

[COY0607]

Regarding Bieber's $16m player option and the $4m buyout, I assume it works like this.

Part #1 - Bieber has the option to opt out and become a FA, or exercise the $16M player option.
Part #2 - If he exercises his $16M player option, the Jays then have the choice of buying him out for $4m.

Correct?

My understanding is if Bieber declines his option, he gets 4M. He effectively signed a 1/14M deal with the option tacked on. Another reason he’s virtually assured to decline that option if he’s healthy at year’s end.

Jays will still extend a 21 million Qualifying Offer to him, after he declines his option. Bieber will most likely decline that also based on how he performs the rest of the year, and if he leaves- a compensatory draft pick is what this organization will get.

So in the off-season the Jays will have either Bieber on a 1-year option (unlikely), re-signed to long term contract (most likely imo), or a compensatory pick

I think you make that trade 10/10 times

[johanliebert]

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It's crazy how this guy even has a job. We added two high leverage relievers and a starting pitcher with a ton of pedigree, and this guy isn't sure if the team is better today instead of yesterday

Well technically Seranthony was aquired the day before....and Beiber doesn't help the team today.

But he was just fired up because he wanted one of the top relievers to push everyone down, including Hoffman. He wanted an "automatic" closer who is predictable day in day out and stated Hoffman just isn't that. And that for sure was just clouding his reaction at that time.

We for sure got better for the playoff run, we just could have done more. He said something like "I was hoping they would add to step on the throats of the opponent and they didn't do that".

He’s got a point they still don’t have a shutdown closer.

We now live in an era where fans want to be lectured by nerds who have never done it, while criticizing former pros.

[StopitLeo]

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It's crazy how this guy even has a job. We added two high leverage relievers and a starting pitcher with a ton of pedigree, and this guy isn't sure if the team is better today instead of yesterday

The team was better simply with the addition of Dominguez!

I think Varland is a bit under the radar because he was only converted to full time reliever this year after being underwhelming as a starter. I almost think of him in the bullpen like a right-handed version of Brendon Little, with a lower SO% but also a lower BB%. He gives up less damage than Hoffman so that's a positive.

Bieber is obviously a calculated risk but you have to think the FO is confident that he can be a contributor based on what he's shown in his rehab starts. Even at 75% he's better than relying on Easton Lucas or Paxton Schultz; it's not like we are expecting him to come in and carry the rotation. The potential upside is very high.

As for Ty France, it seems he's been trying to go back to the mechanics and approach that made him successful in the past. Per his own admission, in 2022 his mechanics got messed up trying to compensate for the elbow injury he sustained in June and those poor mechanics carried into 2023. To try and get back on track he went to Driveline Baseball after seeing JP Crawford have success with them; the changes he made were aimed at pulling the ball more and getting it in the air, which failed spectacularly. This past offseason he sought to get back to the things that had made him successful in the past, keeping it simple and looking to driving the ball up the middle and to the opposite field.

France has been up and down this year. He started strong, had a dip, bounced back, and then another drop. Is he due for rebound? Can the Jays hitting coaches help? It won't hurt that the team's approach at the plate is aligned with what France is trying to do, even if he hasn't been able to do it consistently this year.

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My understanding is if Bieber declines his option, he gets 4M. He effectively signed a 1/14M deal with the option tacked on. Another reason he’s virtually assured to decline that option if he’s healthy at year’s end.

Jays will still extend a 21 million Qualifying Offer to him, after he declines his option. Bieber will most likely decline that also based on how he performs the rest of the year, and if he leaves- a compensatory draft pick is what this organization will get.

We do not get a compensatory pick as he was acquired in-season. (We'd get a comp pick if we qualify Bo Bichette and he declines it and leaves as an FA). And I assume if Beiber declines his option, he is a free agent and the team owes him nothing. If he picks up his option, the team can buy him out of it for $4 million

This. Did we really think the price would be Khal Stephen for an elite pitcher (amid rehabbing from TJ) + a comp pick?

Excellent deadline by Ross. This team added two high leverage bp arms which will help us dramatically. Varland has all ability to close games for us right now if he had to. While not ideal as he still features a closer's repertoire he still features a 98mph fb and a very, very good curve. He doesn't walk anyone which is pretty massive. I know he was behind Duran and Jax in the Minny bp but this is a guy you get now that maybe one day anchors your bp if everything aligns.

https://twinsdaily.com/forums/topic/71673-louis-varland-has-got-that-closer-in-him/

Bieber is a really, really great deadline acquisition. We got a potential #1 starter and while I don't like moving Stephen, that is a value add. If Bieber wasn't rehabbing, he is going for what Mason Miller yielded... even as a rental.

I always liked Ty France who gives us a veteran righty bat to counter our very lefty heavy lineup.

[JN]

Without looking at what they gave up and looking at additions only, my quick and dirty tiering of teams that acquired the most the past few weeks. (All teams that are within 3 games of a playoff spot). Some felt we could have done more, but there are a number of contenders that did less. A lot rests on Bieber.

I have seen some

Tier 1
San Diego (2 Starters, Elite Closer, 2 or 3 potential lineup players)

Tier 2
Seattle
New York Mets
Philly

Tier 3
New York Yankees
Houston
Toronto
Texas

Tier 4
Cincinnati
Detroit
Chicago Cubs
Boston
Milwaukee
LA Dodgers

Tier 5
Cleveland

[Randle McMurphy]

My understanding is if Bieber declines his option, he gets 4M. He effectively signed a 1/14M deal with the option tacked on. Another reason he’s virtually assured to decline that option if he’s healthy at year’s end.

Jays will still extend a 21 million Qualifying Offer to him, after he declines his option. Bieber will most likely decline that also based on how he performs the rest of the year, and if he leaves- a compensatory draft pick is what this organization will get.

We do not get a compensatory pick as he was acquired in-season. (We'd get a comp pick if we qualify Bo Bichette and he declines it and leaves as an FA). And I assume if Beiber declines his option, he is a free agent and the team owes him nothing. If he picks up his option, the team can buy him out of it for $4 million

That isn’t what I’ve read:

If Bieber pays off for Toronto, they can hope he accepts his player option with their team. If he doesn’t, he will get $4M, and a chance to hit free agency once again.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/berniepleskoff/2025/08/01/evaluating-cleveland-guardians-trade-of--fan-favorite-shane-bieber/

He and his agent effectively made sure he had 14M guaranteed before signing the deal they did.

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https://blogs.fangraphs.com/blue-jays-offer-cy-young-winner-a-shange-of-scenery/

[rarefind]

Jays will still extend a 21 million Qualifying Offer to him, after he declines his option. Bieber will most likely decline that also based on how he performs the rest of the year, and if he leaves- a compensatory draft pick is what this organization will get.

We do not get a compensatory pick as he was acquired in-season. (We'd get a comp pick if we qualify Bo Bichette and he declines it and leaves as an FA). And I assume if Beiber declines his option, he is a free agent and the team owes him nothing. If he picks up his option, the team can buy him out of it for $4 million

That isn’t what I’ve read:

If Bieber pays off for Toronto, they can hope he accepts his player option with their team. If he doesn’t, he will get $4M, and a chance to hit free agency once again.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/berniepleskoff/2025/08/01/evaluating-cleveland-guardians-trade-of--fan-favorite-shane-bieber/

He and his agent effectively made sure he had 14M guaranteed before signing the deal they did.

Not saying that you're wrong but I don't think the CBA allows this. I don't ever recall a player having an opt out entitling them to money out the door.

In a player option, the player can either exercise the option and stay for the next year at a guaranteed salary, or decline it and become a free agent, forfeiting that guaranteed salary. No buyout or bonus comes with the player declining the option.

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Traditionally, buyout clauses exist only when the team declines a club option or a mutual option, compensating the player in the event the team opts not to pick up the year.

edit: Quite frankly, Varland is getting paid as long as he doesn't get hurt again. He is opting out and the loss of that 4m bonus will equate to peanuts compared to what he will end up getting paid either here or elsewhere.

[Randle McMurphy]

We do not get a compensatory pick as he was acquired in-season. (We'd get a comp pick if we qualify Bo Bichette and he declines it and leaves as an FA). And I assume if Beiber declines his option, he is a free agent and the team owes him nothing. If he picks up his option, the team can buy him out of it for $4 million

That isn’t what I’ve read:

If Bieber pays off for Toronto, they can hope he accepts his player option with their team. If he doesn’t, he will get $4M, and a chance to hit free agency once again.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/berniepleskoff/2025/08/01/evaluating-cleveland-guardians-trade-of--fan-favorite-shane-bieber/

He and his agent effectively made sure he had 14M guaranteed before signing the deal they did.

Not saying that you're wrong but I don't think the CBA allows this. I don't ever recall a player having an opt out entitling them to money out the door.

In a player option, the player can either exercise the option and stay for the next year at a guaranteed salary, or decline it and become a free agent, forfeiting that guaranteed salary. No buyout or bonus comes with the player declining the option.

New York Post


Traditionally, buyout clauses exist only when the team declines a club option or a mutual option, compensating the player in the event the team opts not to pick up the year.

edit: Quite frankly, Varland is getting paid as long as he doesn't get hurt again. He is opting out and the loss of that 4m bonus will equate to peanuts compared to what he will end up getting paid either here or elsewhere.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/42819816/shane-bieber-cleveland-guardians-reach-1-year-14-million-deal

The deal was also described as a 1/14M deal when it was signed, which suggests to me he gets that additional 4M no matter what (assuming he doesn’t pick up the option, which as long as he isn’t hurt or terrible, he won’t do).