Trades and Transactions 2025 V

[Jalen Bluntson]

No Ben Simmons chatter on the board?

Simmons
Yabu
Hart
Clarkson
Deuce

I get it from the standpoint that he’d fit with the second unit as PG on offense and C on defense, but he is just such an extreme loser personality that I don’t see the risk-reward worth it even at the vet minimum. We have good chemistry and I’d rather see Huk/Shamet brought back. Talented as he is/was, Ben’s personality really is that bad. Why risk it?

Thoughts?

Plenty of chatter actually. We've been discussing him for weeks.

The idea of him is great. The reality never lives up to the the dream.

Brogdon always injured.

Shamet isn't a PG. If we bring him back, Clarkson or Deuce get the job.

Who the is there?

[JayTWill]

No Ben Simmons chatter on the board?

Simmons
Yabu
Hart
Clarkson
Deuce

I get it from the standpoint that he’d fit with the second unit as PG on offense and C on defense, but he is just such an extreme loser personality that I don’t see the risk-reward worth it even at the vet minimum. We have good chemistry and I’d rather see Huk/Shamet brought back. Talented as he is/was, Ben’s personality really is that bad. Why risk it?

Thoughts?

I understand the concerns about Simmons and his limitations as a basketball player but can some explain to me what it is about his personality that makes some people concerned that he would be the one to destroy the chemistry of the team? Many of the criticisms I hear about him apply to other players on the team especially someone like Mitch but no one has ever said Mitch would destroy the team.

And the team has a ton of talent and they seem like very likeable guys but they didn't play with a ton of chemistry on the court. Offensively it was a lot of standing around hoping Brunson could carry them and defensively the team looked lost and lackadaisical far too often. The way people talk about this team sometimes you would think everyone was 100% dedicated to the game of basketball and they were playing like the Pacers on offense and the Thunder on defense.

[spree2kawhi]

No Ben Simmons chatter on the board?

Simmons
Yabu
Hart
Clarkson
Deuce

I get it from the standpoint that he’d fit with the second unit as PG on offense and C on defense, but he is just such an extreme loser personality that I don’t see the risk-reward worth it even at the vet minimum. We have good chemistry and I’d rather see Huk/Shamet brought back. Talented as he is/was, Ben’s personality really is that bad. Why risk it?

Thoughts?

Plenty of chatter actually. We've been discussing him for weeks.

The idea of him is great. The reality never lives up to the the dream.

Brogdon always injured.

Shamet isn't a PG. If we bring him back, Clarkson or Deuce get the job.

Who the is there?

Lonnie Walker, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Precious Achiuwa, Shamet

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I guess we can offer 3 or 4 picks going way out into the future but the Bucks short term would be ugly.
The bucks owe just about all their picks going forward, so I if they take on Bridges, etc. does it even keep them out of the lottery?
Unless Giannes demands New York, I can't see him coming here as other teams could give soooo much more.

[thebuzzardman]

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I guess we can offer 3 or 4 picks going way out into the future but the Bucks short term would be ugly.
The bucks owe just about all their picks going forward, so I if they take on Bridges, etc. does it even keep them out of the lottery?
Unless Giannes demands New York, I can't see him coming here as other teams could give soooo much more.

Could he fit in OKC? They could offer a metric f*ck ton of picks and probably a couple of nice young players. Salary matching would be difficult but I'd guess right off the bat iShart and Caruso are in the deal.

That's already two useful role players the Bucks could keep or flip. They'd have to come up with another 20 million.

Assume the core is Shai/Williams/Chet, and they are willing to deal anything else, within reason.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

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I guess we can offer 3 or 4 picks going way out into the future but the Bucks short term would be ugly.
The bucks owe just about all their picks going forward, so I if they take on Bridges, etc. does it even keep them out of the lottery?
Unless Giannes demands New York, I can't see him coming here as other teams could give soooo much more.

Could he fit in OKC? They could offer a metric f*ck ton of picks and probably a couple of nice young players. Salary matching would be difficult but I'd guess right off the bat iShart and Caruso are in the deal.

That's already two useful role players the Bucks could keep or flip. They'd have to come up with another 20 million.

Assume the core is Shai/Williams/Chet, and they are willing to deal anything else, within reason.

Didn't quite understand the 20 million reference. According to the spotrac trade machine, Giannis for Hartenstein and Caruso straight up works salary wise (or for that matter, eg, Dort, Caruso and Wiggins).

[Jalen Bluntson]

No Ben Simmons chatter on the board?

Simmons
Yabu
Hart
Clarkson
Deuce

I get it from the standpoint that he’d fit with the second unit as PG on offense and C on defense, but he is just such an extreme loser personality that I don’t see the risk-reward worth it even at the vet minimum. We have good chemistry and I’d rather see Huk/Shamet brought back. Talented as he is/was, Ben’s personality really is that bad. Why risk it?

Thoughts?

Plenty of chatter actually. We've been discussing him for weeks.

The idea of him is great. The reality never lives up to the the dream.

Brogdon always injured.

Shamet isn't a PG. If we bring him back, Clarkson or Deuce get the job.

Who the is there?

Lonnie Walker, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Precious Achiuwa, Shamet

Precious isn't coming back. We don't need him. I mentioned Shamet. We technically don't need him either. Rondae? He's still in the league? Lonnie is overseas. He's been bounced around so much I don't know what his deal is.

Shamet for the win?

[8516knicks]

Plenty of chatter actually. We've been discussing him for weeks.

The idea of him is great. The reality never lives up to the the dream.

Brogdon always injured.

Shamet isn't a PG. If we bring him back, Clarkson or Deuce get the job.

Who the is there?

Lonnie Walker, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Precious Achiuwa, Shamet

Precious isn't coming back. We don't need him. I mentioned Shamet. We technically don't need him either. Rondae? He's still in the league? Lonnie is overseas. He's been bounced around so much I don't know what his deal is.

Shamet for the win?

Will Brown (unlike Thibs) look for some scoring punch from the 5? If so, maybe we find a young Kornet type? The Huk won't do for that. Having a 5 who can shoot (and play some D) would be nice. Not an all star, just someone decent at both for the 2nd unit for 10-15 min on occasion. Is Lyles still available?

[RHODEY]

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[thebuzzardman]

I guess we can offer 3 or 4 picks going way out into the future but the Bucks short term would be ugly.
The bucks owe just about all their picks going forward, so I if they take on Bridges, etc. does it even keep them out of the lottery?
Unless Giannes demands New York, I can't see him coming here as other teams could give soooo much more.

Could he fit in OKC? They could offer a metric f*ck ton of picks and probably a couple of nice young players. Salary matching would be difficult but I'd guess right off the bat iShart and Caruso are in the deal.

That's already two useful role players the Bucks could keep or flip. They'd have to come up with another 20 million.

Assume the core is Shai/Williams/Chet, and they are willing to deal anything else, within reason.

Didn't quite understand the 20 million reference. According to the spotrac trade machine, Giannis for hHrtenstein and Caruso straight up works salary wise (or for that matter, eg, Dort, Caruso and Wiggins).

I thought that there might be a salary gap between iShart and Caruso and Giannis

Wow. Those two and 5 picks

[cgmw]

Plenty of chatter actually. We've been discussing him for weeks.

The idea of him is great. The reality never lives up to the the dream.

Brogdon always injured.

Shamet isn't a PG. If we bring him back, Clarkson or Deuce get the job.

Who the is there?

Lonnie Walker, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Precious Achiuwa, Shamet

Precious isn't coming back. We don't need him. I mentioned Shamet. We technically don't need him either. Rondae? He's still in the league? Lonnie is overseas. He's been bounced around so much I don't know what his deal is.

Shamet for the win?

Simmons is the most talented of that bunch unless there’s another buyout coming. Still, I’d be worried that the team would take a step back just having him on the roster period. I guess I’m wondering if that feeling is universal or whether some fans still want him.

[spree2kawhi]

Plenty of chatter actually. We've been discussing him for weeks.

The idea of him is great. The reality never lives up to the the dream.

Brogdon always injured.

Shamet isn't a PG. If we bring him back, Clarkson or Deuce get the job.

Who the is there?

Lonnie Walker, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Precious Achiuwa, Shamet

Precious isn't coming back. We don't need him. I mentioned Shamet. We technically don't need him either. Rondae? He's still in the league? Lonnie is overseas. He's been bounced around so much I don't know what his deal is.

Shamet for the win?

None of them are in the league, that’s my point. Achiuwa might sign in Greece soon - imo we should try to keep him instead.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

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Right because clout = quality

It's actually more about Knicks = clicks

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Lonnie Walker, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Precious Achiuwa, Shamet

Precious isn't coming back. We don't need him. I mentioned Shamet. We technically don't need him either. Rondae? He's still in the league? Lonnie is overseas. He's been bounced around so much I don't know what his deal is.

Shamet for the win?

Simmons is the most talented of that bunch unless there’s another buyout coming. Still, I’d be worried that the team would take a step back just having him on the roster period. I guess I’m wondering if that feeling is universal or whether some fans still want him.

I'd take the punt. Worst outcome is that he's unplayable, sulks and Mike Brown has to ban him from the locker room. But that would all be entertaining.

Otoh, the Knicks could play line-ups with him, Mitch, Josh and Bridges and take us all back to the days of basketball a century ago with quarters rarely with double digit points on either side. I'd pay money to live through that.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Could he fit in OKC? They could offer a metric f*ck ton of picks and probably a couple of nice young players. Salary matching would be difficult but I'd guess right off the bat iShart and Caruso are in the deal.

That's already two useful role players the Bucks could keep or flip. They'd have to come up with another 20 million.

Assume the core is Shai/Williams/Chet, and they are willing to deal anything else, within reason.

Didn't quite understand the 20 million reference. According to the spotrac trade machine, Giannis for hHrtenstein and Caruso straight up works salary wise (or for that matter, eg, Dort, Caruso and Wiggins).

I thought that there might be a salary gap between iShart and Caruso and Giannis

Wow. Those two and 5 picks

No. They're both under the first apron, so old-school trades work. The difference in salaries (combined) is smthg like 7m and that's less than 20% of whatever Giannis makes ( idk, 55m?).

The Knicks would have to send out more salary than Giannis's, so quite a different deal. But the Knicks could send OG and Josh Hart, for example - that works money-wise. Also gives the Knicks another 5m for recruiting, although have to recruit another player (Not talking about whether MIL would have any basketball motivation to make such a trade. I mean I guess they could ship at least OG on for decent draft assets. I'm really not convinced what Hart's retail value is ... but ... mkay.)

KAT
GIannis
Bridges
Deuce or Clarkson
Brunson
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Mitch / Huk
Simmons (let's say, just for the sake of argument - mebbe Giannis can teach him Giannis-ball) / Yabu
Pac / Shamet(? hypothetically) / McCullars
Clarkson or Deuce
Kolek

But you could go a little up market from vet mins for Shamet/Simmons. Or could sign a 15th player with a vet min. Or try to figure out something better as a PG back-up strategy and invest some of your 2.6m or w/e extra in that.

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[BKlutch]

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Here we go - proof from 3 years ago that Knicks fans were very skeptical that Brunson would be what he is today.

[KnicksGadfly]

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Here we go - proof from 3 years ago that Knicks fans were very skeptical that Brunson would be what he is today.

That's not news though?

[thebuzzardman]

Damn. Fiddler On The Goof wasn't impressed with Brunson