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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1061 » by TakeYourHeart » Sun Aug 3, 2025 3:22 am

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He's already a hub on offense, if you're judging someone being a creator by being a east/west shifty player then you are judging the game wrong. Scottie bends the defense, especially when he grabs & go or he's out letting or in the post.

Scottie is at the top of the key with the ball in a half-court setting. What is he doing to create for others in this situation? I think he is a great passer who can hit open cutters but what will he do to create an open look for others?


He drops his shoulder, and drives left or right, when the help comes because he's bigger/stronger than most of his counterparts, he kicks to the strong side, or he hits the weak side by moving the help man with his eyes & BBIQ, or he finishes at the rim, or he reverse pivots into a fade or reverse pivot & hit the IQ or GD or Ochai coming off of curl screen up top


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This is RJ vs. Scottie driving. RJ drives more per game (12.6 vs 10.2) which is the first obstacle. While this is something Scottie can do, he has not exhibited that will to drive like RJ does. As you note his driving game is based on "drops his shoulder" physicality rather than speed or skill which takes its toll and I suspect he will never be a volume driver.

RJ scores better on drives (47.2 FG% vs 46.3 FG%). I should note that RJ's efficiency isn't that good because he gets to the rim more and Scottie settles for midrange more but, mediocre rim attempts are still better than even decent midrange shots.

RJ averages slightly more points per drive (0.61 vs 0.58) and gets to the line more (2.6 FTA vs 1.7 FTA), because of the rim attempts. And if he could sort out his free throw shooting his points per drive would improve.

RJ averages slightly more assists per pass (0.3 vs 0.29). And RJ helps Scottie's drives more than Scottie helps RJ because he's better off-ball so even if the difference is insignificant, RJ has the worse outlets.

Scottie averages less turnovers per drive (0.05 vs 0.06).

So overall I'd say RJ is ever so slightly the better driver and if you want to initiate offence with a drive you'd be better off with RJ. And since this is a BI thread...BI as a Pelican shot a whopping 54.5% on drives, 7-8% more than RJ/Scottie, so his driving game will be even more effective. Better scorer = more help = easier passes. So Scottie can initiate in transition, find cutters etc. but I don't see how Scottie would be better at initiating the offense in general as if that ability is independent of one's own ability to score.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1062 » by DreamTeam09 » Sun Aug 3, 2025 7:46 pm

People are only doubting because we haven't seen the proof of concept yet, but Ingram solves a lot of our issues. He's a grenade release valve so even when things get mucky he gets his, plus he can really shoot it. Our team is nice

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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1064 » by GLF » Sun Aug 3, 2025 11:18 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:https://www.raptorshq.com/2025/8/1/24479021/toronto-raptors-analysis-brandon-ingram-passing-assists-playmaker

Lots of video


Great post. Thank you. I’ve been looking for someone to break down BI’s passing/playmaking with some video clips
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1065 » by Merit » Tue Aug 5, 2025 10:56 pm

Ladies, gents and all genders, I’m having a tough time reading Raptors Rapture these days. Is it just me? The following is just one in a series of many click bait articles that I am sadly aware I’m also bringing attention to. Can we provide value as content creators, and not just content for the sake of making content? For example:

The franchise has offensive pecking order questions and a problematic defense. All the Raptors can do is hope the Eastern Conference is weak enough to sneak into the playoffs. Ingram doesn't make Toronto a serious contender and is vastly overpaid. This trade is nightmare and will only get worse.

The Toronto Raptors will be paying Brandon Ingram $40 million per season to get buckets. He is morphing into the Zach LaVine and DeMar DeRozan category of scorers that don’t impact winning. Teams are not valuing those players, which will make it difficult for Toronto to move on. The Raptors put themselves in this position and are stuck again. They only have themselves to blame.


https://raptorsrapture.com/toronto-raptors-will-instantly-regret-brandon-ingram-trade

Offensive pecking order:

1) BI
2) IQ/RJ/Scottie depending on surrounding players
3) everyone else

Problematic Defense? Let’s wait on that a bit before making the proclamation. Last few weeks of the year have me optimistic, as does summer league and our drafting of CMB. We are trying to win this year.

The comparison to Demar and/or Lavine is weak. Demar can’t shoot and is at the tail end of his career. He is a completely different player than BI, and frankly, BI hasnt reached his offensive efficiency. Demar is also one of the players who takes care of his body the best and is virtually never injured. Zach Lavine has been horrible the last few years, but he’s also been injured. IMO the comparison between BI and Zach would be injury history. BI is younger, signed for a shorter window, and the cap is going up. Vastly overpaid is language that is far too strong IMO, especially considering it’s not even a max.

Please do better. If you’re on this forum and reading, I know you’re only getting paid $50 as a stipend, but at least put your back into it, Yenno? I respect the effort and applaud the try, because you’re in the arena. I’m hopeful for improved content. That’s what an amazing editor does. They level things up. Let’s see more of that.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1066 » by Merit » Tue Aug 5, 2025 10:57 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:https://www.raptorshq.com/2025/8/1/24479021/toronto-raptors-analysis-brandon-ingram-passing-assists-playmaker

Lots of video


See this article on the other hand adds a ton of value, especially for casual fans learning the game. Heck it was great for me and I’d describe myself as more than casual but a fair bit less than pro.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1067 » by Thaddy » Wed Aug 6, 2025 2:13 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:People are only doubting because we haven't seen the proof of concept yet, but Ingram solves a lot of our issues. He's a grenade release valve so even when things get mucky he gets his, plus he can really shoot it. Our team is nice


He's a championship caliber number 1 if he's healthy in the playoffs. He won't be the best offensive option or top 5 but a strong defense could carry us there. Him and IQ need to spam pick and rolls with Scottie. That's probably our best offensive play.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1068 » by Mikistan » Wed Aug 6, 2025 2:39 am

Thaddy wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:People are only doubting because we haven't seen the proof of concept yet, but Ingram solves a lot of our issues. He's a grenade release valve so even when things get mucky he gets his, plus he can really shoot it. Our team is nice


He's a championship caliber number 1 if he's healthy in the playoffs. He won't be the best offensive option or top 5 but a strong defense could carry us there. Him and IQ need to spam pick and rolls with Scottie. That's probably our best offensive play.

And off ball cuts with handoffs and guys cutting off Scottie and poeltl in high post and ft line actions
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Post#1069 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:34 am

Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1070 » by canada_dry » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:36 am

Merit wrote:Ladies, gents and all genders, I’m having a tough time reading Raptors Rapture these days. Is it just me? The following is just one in a series of many click bait articles that I am sadly aware I’m also bringing attention to. Can we provide value as content creators, and not just content for the sake of making content? For example:

The franchise has offensive pecking order questions and a problematic defense. All the Raptors can do is hope the Eastern Conference is weak enough to sneak into the playoffs. Ingram doesn't make Toronto a serious contender and is vastly overpaid. This trade is nightmare and will only get worse.

The Toronto Raptors will be paying Brandon Ingram $40 million per season to get buckets. He is morphing into the Zach LaVine and DeMar DeRozan category of scorers that don’t impact winning. Teams are not valuing those players, which will make it difficult for Toronto to move on. The Raptors put themselves in this position and are stuck again. They only have themselves to blame.


https://raptorsrapture.com/toronto-raptors-will-instantly-regret-brandon-ingram-trade

Offensive pecking order:

1) BI
2) IQ/RJ/Scottie depending on surrounding players
3) everyone else

Problematic Defense? Let’s wait on that a bit before making the proclamation. Last few weeks of the year have me optimistic, as does summer league and our drafting of CMB. We are trying to win this year.

The comparison to Demar and/or Lavine is weak. Demar can’t shoot and is at the tail end of his career. He is a completely different player than BI, and frankly, BI hasnt reached his offensive efficiency. Demar is also one of the players who takes care of his body the best and is virtually never injured. Zach Lavine has been horrible the last few years, but he’s also been injured. IMO the comparison between BI and Zach would be injury history. BI is younger, signed for a shorter window, and the cap is going up. Vastly overpaid is language that is far too strong IMO, especially considering it’s not even a max.

Please do better. If you’re on this forum and reading, I know you’re only getting paid $50 as a stipend, but at least put your back into it, Yenno? I respect the effort and applaud the try, because you’re in the arena. I’m hopeful for improved content. That’s what an amazing editor does. They level things up. Let’s see more of that.
These days? What do you mean? Who reads raptors rapture? Its always been clickbait nonsense :)

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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1071 » by Boogie! » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:37 am

Thaddy wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:People are only doubting because we haven't seen the proof of concept yet, but Ingram solves a lot of our issues. He's a grenade release valve so even when things get mucky he gets his, plus he can really shoot it. Our team is nice


He's a championship caliber number 1 if he's healthy in the playoffs. He won't be the best offensive option or top 5 but a strong defense could carry us there. Him and IQ need to spam pick and rolls with Scottie. That's probably our best offensive play.


The issue is Ingram has never been healthy. That’s the one consistent with him is he’s basically like Anthony Davis at some point he’s gonna get hurt. That being said I’m excited to see how we play in the games he is healthy.
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Post#1072 » by canada_dry » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:38 am

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.
Yep. We are. But it also means our most impactful player, arguably, gets to focus on the things he's actually good at.

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Post#1073 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:48 am

canada_dry wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.
Yep. We are. But it also means our most impactful player, arguably, gets to focus on the things he's actually good at.

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Post#1074 » by TheAlchemist23 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:49 am

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.

Scottie's been a dissapointment, he's content in being a role plyer. That being said, RJ wants to be a star, I'm not sure he'll fall back in his proper role without drama.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1075 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:55 am

TheAlchemist23 wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.

Scottie's been a dissapointment, he's content in being a role plyer. That being said, RJ wants to be a star, I'm not sure he'll fall back in his proper role without drama.

Ingram's got a player option, so get ready for five year @47M per.
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Post#1076 » by bballsparkin » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:30 am

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.


lol don't fight it. it is what it is.
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Post#1077 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:36 am

bballsparkin wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.


lol don't fight it. it is what it is.

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Post#1078 » by bballsparkin » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:37 am

^^Lol. I'm hoping for 43+ wins. I think that would be a successful season. That or bomb hard and get lucky in the lottery.
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Post#1079 » by Thaddy » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:53 am

canada_dry wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.
Yep. We are. But it also means our most impactful player, arguably, gets to focus on the things he's actually good at.

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IQ can be similar to Fox. I think Fox is overrated and had one good year because of Sabonis. Ingram could be a poor man's Durant and comparable to Booker. They aren't a bad top two options on offense. It also allows Barnes to be in a Mobley like role where he focuses on defensive impact. We are heavily being slept on. Unless we get injuries we should be very good.
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Post#1080 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Wed Aug 6, 2025 5:02 am

Thaddy wrote:
canada_dry wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.
Yep. We are. But it also means our most impactful player, arguably, gets to focus on the things he's actually good at.

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IQ can be similar to Fox. I think Fox is overrated and had one good year because of Sabonis. Ingram could be a poor man's Durant and comparable to Booker. They aren't a bad top two options on offense. It also allows Barnes to be in a Mobley like role where he focuses on defensive impact. We are heavily being slept on. Unless we get injuries we should be very good.

Fox is at least top 20 player, we don't have one of those. Like, he's a starter at the all star game.
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