Official Brandon Ingram Thread

[tsherkin]

Fox is at least top 20 player, we don't have one of those. Like, he's a starter at the all star game.

/s?

Seriously, though, he's not that level of player at all.

[LoveMyRaps]

Yep. We are. But it also means our most impactful player, arguably, gets to focus on the things he's actually good at.

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IQ can be similar to Fox. I think Fox is overrated and had one good year because of Sabonis. Ingram could be a poor man's Durant and comparable to Booker. They aren't a bad top two options on offense. It also allows Barnes to be in a Mobley like role where he focuses on defensive impact. We are heavily being slept on. Unless we get injuries we should be very good.

Fox is at least top 20 player, we don't have one of those. Like, he's a starter at the all star game.

In what world is Fox a top 20 player?

[MEDIC]

Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.

I think we were saying the same about Derozan and Lowry. That turned out pretty well.

I personally don't see IQ as our 2nd option though.......it would be a nice surprise if he stepped up & became that guy though. The team would be pretty loaded.

[DreamTeam09]

Every single one of our starters is good for 5ast a game
Barnes & RJ had at least 70+ possessions classified as "Cuts" last year alone, B.I. had like 162 as a Pelican in all those seasons combined.
BI is going to have to do the most work of his career off ball in this system.
Everyone is gonna eat over here

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[Godaddycurse]

Fox is at least top 20 player, we don't have one of those. Like, he's a starter at the all star game.

/s?

Seriously, though, he's not that level of player at all.

he's paid like one, but doesn't play like one

[Clay Davis]

I'd like for someone to disabuse me of this understanding of the rizz of Ingram:

My impression is is that he is a scorer closer to the level of Demar Derozan and Pascal than to the level of Kawhi.

What are the counter-arguments to this? And even if the above statement is true, do we still have the potential to be a competitive top 4 seed?

[tsherkin]

I'd like for someone to disabuse me of this understanding of the rizz of Ingram:

My impression is is that he is a scorer closer to the level of Demar Derozan and Pascal than to the level of Kawhi.

What are the counter-arguments to this? And even if the above statement is true, do we still have the potential to be a competitive top 4 seed?

His efficiency is similar to DeRozan. He's better at creating shots a little closer to the basket, and he's a much better 3pt shooter. He's a more dynamic playmaker.

But yes, outside of his AS season and the year after, he's generally a league-average ish TS% kind of guy.

The value he brings has a lot to do with how bad we are right now, and how much league-average scoring actually boosts our offense. From him and from Quickley, because of how craptacular Scottie and RJ were in a volume role in 2025.

BI is no where near Kawhi as a scorer. He's more capable with a live dribble than Pascal, but he also doesn't get to the rim much, which hurts his 2P%. He hasn't done well getting shots at the basket since like 2020. He IS pretty good at drawing fouls and hitting 3s, and he's had 4 seasons which would have been above league-average efficiency in 2025, FWIW.

He's far more comfortable, competent and competent with his handle than Demar, way better from 3, and it's a lot harder to force him into a series of really bad 20-footers. He just pulls up for the middie a lot more than going all the way to the rim these days.

do we still have the potential to be a competitive top 4 seed?

I'd be surprised. Very surprised, if we were a top-4 seed. We're likely to be around .500. Cleveland will be better. New York will be better. Orlando will likely be better. Atlanta will probably be similar. Detroit will be competitive. Milwaukee will probably be better.

[Merit]

Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.

How about we pull the plug on hot takes with no substance.

[Merit]

Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.

Yep. We are. But it also means our most impactful player, arguably, gets to focus on the things he's actually good at.

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Roller Skating.

Are you looking to get owned in this thread too?

[Merit]

Are we really talking about a future with BI and IQ as our first two options? Just pull the plug now.

lol don't fight it. it is what it is.

Y u talk b 4 season starts?

U will need 2 b more patient.

The team is trying 2 win.

They were not trying 2 win last year.

We have not seen the team play 2gether yet.

Please b smrt cuz

[Merit]

^^Lol. I'm hoping for 43+ wins. I think that would be a successful season. That or bomb hard and get lucky in the lottery.

Smart man. Take the over.

[OakleyDokely]

Last season:

D Fox 36.1 MIN, 23.5 PPG, 6.3 AST, 4.8 REB, .463 FG, .310 3PT (6.1 ATT), .827 FT (5.1 ATT), .560 TS, 29.1 USG
Quick: 27.8 MIN, 17.1 PPG, 5.8 AST, 3.5 REB, .420 FG, .378 3PT (6.5 ATT), .867 FT (3.9 ATT), .570 TS, 25.1 USG

(Quickley Per 36: 22.1 PPG / 7.5 AST / 4.5 REB / 5.0 FT ATT)

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

lol don't fight it. it is what it is.

Y u talk b 4 season starts?

U will need 2 b more patient.

The team is trying 2 win.

They were not trying 2 win last year.

We have not seen the team play 2gether yet.

Please b smrt cuz

If they were trying to win, Darko wouldn't be here.

[tsherkin]

If they were trying to win, Darko wouldn't be here.

Darko is no impediment to us winning.

[Clay Davis]

I'd like for someone to disabuse me of this understanding of the rizz of Ingram:

My impression is is that he is a scorer closer to the level of Demar Derozan and Pascal than to the level of Kawhi.

What are the counter-arguments to this? And even if the above statement is true, do we still have the potential to be a competitive top 4 seed?

His efficiency is similar to DeRozan. He's better at creating shots a little closer to the basket, and he's a much better 3pt shooter. He's a more dynamic playmaker.

But yes, outside of his AS season and the year after, he's generally a league-average ish TS% kind of guy.

The value he brings has a lot to do with how bad we are right now, and how much league-average scoring actually boosts our offense. From him and from Quickley, because of how craptacular Scottie and RJ were in a volume role in 2025.

BI is no where near Kawhi as a scorer. He's more capable with a live dribble than Pascal, but he also doesn't get to the rim much, which hurts his 2P%. He hasn't done well getting shots at the basket since like 2020. He IS pretty good at drawing fouls and hitting 3s, and he's had 4 seasons which would have been above league-average efficiency in 2025, FWIW.

He's far more comfortable, competent and competent with his handle than Demar, way better from 3, and it's a lot harder to force him into a series of really bad 20-footers. He just pulls up for the middie a lot more than going all the way to the rim these days.

do we still have the potential to be a competitive top 4 seed?

I'd be surprised. Very surprised, if we were a top-4 seed. We're likely to be around .500. Cleveland will be better. New York will be better. Orlando will likely be better. Atlanta will probably be similar. Detroit will be competitive. Milwaukee will probably be better.

Thank you for your thought out post Tsherkin.

I suppose I'm cautiously optimistic for this season; are we likely to be a top-4 seed? No... but we may be within a couple of seeds of it. And then our perception of where we'll be in 2026-2027 can be more optimistic; we can think more ambitiously about where we will be once we are better after we have demonstrated tangible growth and movement through the standings. Our rizz right now is dull, but perhaps it'll be less dull by this time next year, and we can think about it truly shining.

I feel that Scottie hasn't taken his growth very seriously, to be honest, but a taste of the play-offs as a focal point may just be what he needs to truly throw himself into what he does best. Who knows how that'll unlock the rest of our players.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If they were trying to win, Darko wouldn't be here.

Darko is no impediment to us winning.

Maybe they need a different pizza shop.

[tsherkin]

Maybe they need a different pizza shop.

They needed health and improved talent. The coach is rarely the major impediment to simply winning more games. They aren't magic. Their influence goes only so far.

Thank you for your thought out post Tsherkin.

I suppose I'm cautiously optimistic for this season; are we likely to be a top-4 seed? No... but we may be within a couple of seeds of it.

It depends on the particulars. There's as good a chance that we're 6th as that we're 9th, you know?

I feel that Scottie hasn't taken his growth very seriously, to be honest,

I don't think Scottie has failed to take his growth seriously. I think he just has a ceiling to certain skills and that we aren't deploying him optimally, that's all. Not every player can become exactly what you want, even if they work at it. Some guys just don't have the capacity to reach those upper levels. It takes a lot, and he's missing most of the traits and skills we'd normally look for to take him there, that's all.

[Tha Cynic]

https://www.raptorshq.com/2025/8/1/24479021/toronto-raptors-analysis-brandon-ingram-passing-assists-playmaker

Lots of video

Funny enough, I think his passing is going to help Barnes a ton. This team has been absolutely putrid at getting the ball inside when a player seals someone and basically haven’t been able to make passes off screen and rolls. Quickley is absolutely terrible at it but Poeltl kind of saves him by being a big body who can make push shots.

Barnes needs to start setting actual hard screens instead of those stupid slip screens and really develop a two man game with Ingram. He’s also going to get the entry pass more through Ingram if we have him handling the ball more. Barnes and Quickley haven’t shown any chemistry in this area in the last couple of seasons.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

They needed health and improved talent. The coach is rarely the major impediment to simply winning more games. They aren't magic. Their influence goes only so far.

It's year three, I feel like we have a good understanding of what he brings at this point. It's "Vibes".

[MEDIC]

I feel that Scottie hasn't taken his growth very seriously, to be honest, but a taste of the play-offs as a focal point may just be what he needs to truly throw himself into what he does best. Who knows how that'll unlock the rest of our players.

I agree with this. I think Scottie is at his best in winning/ playoff environment. He is a competitive guy & feeds off the competitive energy of the team.

A season like last season is not going to bring out the best version of a player like Barnes.