Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Twinkie defense]

The only way these players can make more money than the vet minimum is if the Warriors jettison Kuminga in a S&T with little returning salary *and* Lacob decides to stay under the 1st apron as a hard cap for this season.

Based on all of the reports we've heard, many with Lacob's dream of acquiring Giannis, what is the possibility of the latter happening?

Don't they give Horford the TPMLE? Or some part of it?

I'm sure Melton, GPII, Seth Curry are vet minimum players - so there's no advantage to them signing now - but Horford could make more or less money depending on how the Kuminga situation ultimately plays out.

[statsman]

The only way these players can make more money than the vet minimum is if the Warriors jettison Kuminga in a S&T with little returning salary *and* Lacob decides to stay under the 1st apron as a hard cap for this season.

Based on all of the reports we've heard, many with Lacob's dream of acquiring Giannis, what is the possibility of the latter happening?

Don't they give Horford the TPMLE? Or some part of it?

I guess I misinterpreted your comment: "Plus by being patient they could make more money." I read "they" to mean more than Horford (or whomever gets the TPMLE) could make more than the vet minimum. That's not the case if they go over the 1st apron.

[Twinkie defense]

I would imagine the Warriors have a handshake agreement with Horford, with the understanding that they have to wait until the Kuminga situation is resolved to finalize everything.

And those other guys (Melton, GPII, Seth Curry), some but maybe not all of them, the Warriors told them we want you, we'll pay you vet minimum, we understand if you get a better offer before we are able to put ink to paper, but we have a spot for you. And those players can trust that 1) the Warriors will have a spot for them, and 2) it may not be a move for the money (and there may not be better money options available) but it will be a good situation.

I'm also curious, in the unlikely situation that Kuminga takes his $7.9 mil qualifying offer, what effect does that have on the Warriors cap situation?

[statsman]

I'm also curious, in the unlikely situation that Kuminga takes his $7.9 mil qualifying offer, what effect does that have on the Warriors cap situation?

If Kuminga signs the qualifying offer, the Warriors could stay under the 1st apron. They will have lost salary to trade, limiting themselves to small trades or needing to trade Draymond or Butler.

With two vet minimums signed, they would have space for two more players to split roughly $12M of the NTMLE ($14.1M). The TPMLE is $5.685M, less than half of that. Right now, I am hard-pressed to think of anyone who deserves more than the vet minimum than Horford. The only player they had a shot who I thought was worth it was Beal, and he was going to the Clippers even if the Warriors would have doubled the Clippers' offer of $5.354M.

The problem with so many vet minimums is you can no longer cobble together several in a trade if you're trying to salary match a deal. This is a concern with Kuminga's potential S&T. A team is allowed to only include one vet minimum in a trade. You also have to deal with any FA who signs for one season, as they would have the right of trade refusal.

If the Warriors had been able to stay under the 1st apron, they could have split up portions of the NTMLE ($14.1M), the Bi-Annual ($5.135M), and the use of the SloMo TPE ($8.8M). The use of any one of those three hard caps a team at the first apron. But since they could be for more than the vet minimum, they could have been aggregated together in a trade later on.

It would have been interesting, getting both Beal and Horford, but that ship has sailed. Kuminga's free agency has gummed up the works. And there is plenty of blame to go all around. Kuminga. His agent. Lacob. Kerr. The 2023 (latest) CBA.

[Twinkie defense]

If Kuminga signs the qualifying offer, the Warriors could stay under the 1st apron. They will have lost salary to trade, limiting themselves to small trades or needing to trade Draymond or Butler.

That $20-something million salary slot is really a key asset for the Warriors - which is why they are willing to pay Kuminga so much more than the QO for what is essentially a one-year deal. And also why trading Kuminga now as a BYC player doesn't make any sense if a team is not going to knock you out with a trade offer.

[Twinkie defense]

Of course they can still trade him on the qualifying offer though

[Twinkie defense]

Warriors fans were so anxious for the team to make a move at the opening of free agency but if they can sit things out, wait for value, and add Horford and Melton and re-sign GPII on the cheap, while keeping Kuminga, that seems like a pretty savvy offseason?

[statsman]

Of course they can still trade him on the qualifying offer though

Not without Kuminga's agreement. Also, the team acquiring him would not acquire his Bird rights. He would be categorized as Non-Bird next offseason, meaning the new team could only offer up to 120% of this year's salary (the QO) with Bird rights. They would need to use cap space or the NTMLE (est. $15.5M next season) to make a better offer.

[Onus]

Isn’t that what moody is?

Sort of, particularly if you look at the 5 week window after the Butler trade. Moody shot 48/40/88 during that span before the Bucks game where he injured the thumb on his shooting hand. He became very reliable at the FT line after the trade, which was a pleasant surprise.

My concern is Moody doesn't score enough. He needs to be in the 16-18 ppg range. I am just not sure he's wired for that at this level. He also needs to handle the ball better in traffic.

On offense, I think he can kinda be that guy. Hit the 3 and attack close outs.

Defensively, I like him. I think he's good. But I think he lacks the aggression of the athleticism to be that role. Ideally, it's a guy that will do all the legwork on defense to to switch, chase, contest 3s from sideline to sideline. And that requires elite athleticism or full aggression with elite read and react.

I do think he can be in that brooks mold, but he isn't there yet.

Moody can cover a lot of ground and has turned himself into a pesky on ball defender. He struggles against elite athletes at poa but he's fine off ball. Plus it's really Jimmy covering the ground now

[HiRez]

Now a story by Jake Fischer about the Dubs being interested in Giddey for JK. I don't doubt they would be and I think Giddey would be great in Kerr's system (especially. compared to Kuminga) but seems like another thing probably going nowhere.

[AirP.]

Now a story by Jake Fischer about the Dubs being interested in Giddey for JK. I don't doubt they would be and I think Giddey would be great in Kerr's system (especially. compared to Kuminga) but seems like another thing probably going nowhere.

It's a future play, without Giddy under contract GS can talk to him and his representation to let them know they are interested in him even if they don't have the ability to trade for him at this moment, I would also expect they talked about what Giddy's worth is for future reference and see if it would be interesting for both sides. If there's mutual interest maybe that affects what contract Giddy may take from the Bulls and possibly getting a player's option along with a short contract to try to steer him to GS if that's where he wants to go to. Chicago has to pay White next year and the talk is he wants an extension over more than 30 million dollars a year.

With Giddy's 3pt shooting becoming better, he'd probably be very good in GS's offense, OKC just couldn't wait for Giddy to continue to get better and Caruso looked like and indeed was a key piece for their title run.

[Old_Blue]

Now a story by Jake Fischer about the Dubs being interested in Giddey for JK. I don't doubt they would be and I think Giddey would be great in Kerr's system (especially. compared to Kuminga) but seems like another thing probably going nowhere.

It's a future play, without Giddy under contract GS can talk to him and his representation to let them know they are interested in him even if they don't have the ability to trade for him at this moment, I would also expect they talked about what Giddy's worth is for future reference and see if it would be interesting for both sides. If there's mutual interest maybe that affects what contract Giddy may take from the Bulls and possibly getting a player's option along with a short contract to try to steer him to GS if that's where he wants to go to. Chicago has to pay White next year and the talk is he wants an extension over more than 30 million dollars a year.

With Giddy's 3pt shooting becoming better, he'd probably be very good in GS's offense, OKC just couldn't wait for Giddy to continue to get better and Caruso looked like and indeed was a key piece for their title run.

Getting Kuminga signed and then flipping him at the trade deadline for Giddey would be ideal. With his rebounding and passing, Giddey would fill a lot of needs. Apparently, this entire season is going to be all about being patient.

[Onus]

Now apparently jk wants a player option in year 2 and we’re holding onto a team option.

[wco81]

Now a story by Jake Fischer about the Dubs being interested in Giddey for JK. I don't doubt they would be and I think Giddey would be great in Kerr's system (especially. compared to Kuminga) but seems like another thing probably going nowhere.

It's a future play, without Giddy under contract GS can talk to him and his representation to let them know they are interested in him even if they don't have the ability to trade for him at this moment, I would also expect they talked about what Giddy's worth is for future reference and see if it would be interesting for both sides. If there's mutual interest maybe that affects what contract Giddy may take from the Bulls and possibly getting a player's option along with a short contract to try to steer him to GS if that's where he wants to go to. Chicago has to pay White next year and the talk is he wants an extension over more than 30 million dollars a year.

With Giddy's 3pt shooting becoming better, he'd probably be very good in GS's offense, OKC just couldn't wait for Giddy to continue to get better and Caruso looked like and indeed was a key piece for their title run.

Getting Kuminga signed and then flipping him at the trade deadline for Giddey would be ideal. With his rebounding and passing, Giddey would fill a lot of needs. Apparently, this entire season is going to be all about being patient.

Need to see more than part of a season to see if his shooting has improved and turned a corner for good.

One thing Kuminga gets is wide open looks because teams are letting him shoot from 3.

Giddey is better at playmaking though.

[EvanZ]

Giddey would be 100x more valuable than JK for us.

[AirP.]

Giddey would be 100x more valuable than JK for us.

Kuminga playing how Kerr wants him to play with this current roster would be a gamechanger for GS. The playmaking on this roster with Kuminga's finishing ability could be great. Kuminga just has higher aspirations at this point in his career than just being a finisher.

[HiRez]

Besides his production, other things I like about Giddey that the Warriors could really use are good size (listed as 6-8) and great positional versatility, he can legitimately (although situationally) play anywhere from 1 to 4. And it never hurts to have another elite passer on the floor, even more protection in case of a Steph injury as well.

[whatisacenter]

I seriously doubt Giddy gets traded for Jk now or at the deadline.

This just sounds like more postering.

[statsman]

Now apparently jk wants a player option in year 2 and we’re holding onto a team option.

Where did you hear that?

[whatisacenter]

Now apparently jk wants a player option in year 2 and we’re holding onto a team option.

Where did you hear that?

Curious too.

There is room to meet in the middle on many JK fronts from S&T to a short term extension.

I seriously doubt he takes what’s been offered so far from the warriors.