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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#701 » by Flash4thewin » Sat Aug 9, 2025 4:18 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’ll be pretty disappointed if we refused to offer Ware for KD then follow that by demoting him to the bench.

Something tells me Ware is on a short leash with Spo much like Beasley was.

What i took away from spo’s comments during sunmer league..

The obvious yes, spo and the fans has expectations of Ware, and wants to see a trajectory on his development, not a repeat of his rookie season..

But on a side of that, Spo wanted Durant, but he saw that the Heat did not make a serious push for Durant (there was suns reporters that said the Heat pretended to have interest for Durant to appease the Heat fans and then when they missed they can just tell us “dumb” fans that they were outbidded), even more so, the Heat reportedly would not include Ware in the trade.

So if Ware is this untouchable godly talent, that he cant be traded for all time talent like Durant, Spo wants to see the results NOW, not 2-3 years down the road. Right now.

Riley said a few weeks back that this past couple seasons have been exhausting for Spo, with the personal drama and the Butler nonsense, and the trying to coach a bunch or g leaguers into the playoffs.

Spo probably saw Durant as a way to make winning a little bit easier.. now hes left with a bunch of players on expirings, And he still has Rozier on the roster… he will play rozier powell and herro at the same time…


Just imagine if Ware ends up getting DNP like JJJ’s second season ..


Spo is Spo and having Ware on the Beasley treatment is just asking for trouble. Different players need to be treated differently. It should be noted that in college Ware first coach didnt think he earned his playing time, so Ware did the adult thing and forced the issue by transferring to a team that would play him. This forceful and decisive action got him drafted into the NBA in the first round. All of this was done by forcing the issue to get playing time. History has a tendency to repeat itself if one doesn't learn from it.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#702 » by He2Fast » Sat Aug 9, 2025 5:08 pm

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Vertical Limit wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’ll be pretty disappointed if we refused to offer Ware for KD then follow that by demoting him to the bench.

Something tells me Ware is on a short leash with Spo much like Beasley was.

What i took away from spo’s comments during sunmer league..

The obvious yes, spo and the fans has expectations of Ware, and wants to see a trajectory on his development, not a repeat of his rookie season..

But on a side of that, Spo wanted Durant, but he saw that the Heat did not make a serious push for Durant (there was suns reporters that said the Heat pretended to have interest for Durant to appease the Heat fans and then when they missed they can just tell us “dumb” fans that they were outbidded), even more so, the Heat reportedly would not include Ware in the trade.

So if Ware is this untouchable godly talent, that he cant be traded for all time talent like Durant, Spo wants to see the results NOW, not 2-3 years down the road. Right now.

Riley said a few weeks back that this past couple seasons have been exhausting for Spo, with the personal drama and the Butler nonsense, and the trying to coach a bunch or g leaguers into the playoffs.

Spo probably saw Durant as a way to make winning a little bit easier.. now hes left with a bunch of players on expirings, And he still has Rozier on the roster… he will play rozier powell and herro at the same time…


Just imagine if Ware ends up getting DNP like JJJ’s second season ..


Spo is Spo and having Ware on the Beasley treatment is just asking for trouble. Different players need to be treated differently. It should be noted that in college Ware first coach didnt think he earned his playing time, so Ware did the adult thing and forced the issue by transferring to a team that would play him. This forceful and decisive action got him drafted into the NBA in the first round. All of this was done by forcing the issue to get playing time. History has a tendency to repeat itself if one doesn't learn from it.


Athletes in particular tend to have an interesting combination of confidence and lack of self esteem.

Realistically, it shouldn’t matter whether Ware starts or not. What should matter is that he produces in the time he does play. I think he will.

The comparisons to Beasley don’t land for me. I believe Ware will be a much better NBA player. I think Ware is more talented.

Perhaps Spo views the result of Beasley’s many Heat tenures as Michael getting in his own way. I think it’s likely Spo understands that some of what the result was for Beasley is on him.

What cannot happen is Ware taking a step back. I think he will take a step forward.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6 

Post#704 » by Vertical Limit » Sat Aug 9, 2025 6:12 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I’ll be pretty disappointed if we refused to offer Ware for KD then follow that by demoting him to the bench.

Something tells me Ware is on a short leash with Spo much like Beasley was.

What i took away from spo’s comments during sunmer league..

The obvious yes, spo and the fans has expectations of Ware, and wants to see a trajectory on his development, not a repeat of his rookie season..

But on a side of that, Spo wanted Durant, but he saw that the Heat did not make a serious push for Durant (there was suns reporters that said the Heat pretended to have interest for Durant to appease the Heat fans and then when they missed they can just tell us “dumb” fans that they were outbidded), even more so, the Heat reportedly would not include Ware in the trade.

So if Ware is this untouchable godly talent, that he cant be traded for all time talent like Durant, Spo wants to see the results NOW, not 2-3 years down the road. Right now.

Riley said a few weeks back that this past couple seasons have been exhausting for Spo, with the personal drama and the Butler nonsense, and the trying to coach a bunch or g leaguers into the playoffs.

Spo probably saw Durant as a way to make winning a little bit easier.. now hes left with a bunch of players on expirings, And he still has Rozier on the roster… he will play rozier powell and herro at the same time…


Just imagine if Ware ends up getting DNP like JJJ’s second season ..


Spo is Spo and having Ware on the Beasley treatment is just asking for trouble. Different players need to be treated differently. It should be noted that in college Ware first coach didnt think he earned his playing time, so Ware did the adult thing and forced the issue by transferring to a team that would play him. This forceful and decisive action got him drafted into the NBA in the first round. All of this was done by forcing the issue to get playing time. History has a tendency to repeat itself if one doesn't learn from it.

The bar is set, no Ware for Durant. And so he better produce.
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Post#705 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sat Aug 9, 2025 7:07 pm

I'm kind of rolling my eyes with these wild assumptions, oh we definitely had KD in the bag but the holdup was Ware, riiiiight. Also even if that were the case, the one-sided "OK Ware better produce" as if KD is guaranteed to lead the Rockets all the way.

Is anyone going to come eat crow if KD has an average season or even declines and Houston gets bounced in the second round or earlier? Did anyone eat crow when they cheered the Lowry signing, or the Rozier trade (I know a lot of you did I just don't keep receipts like some do)? Did anyone eat crow when they cheered the Ricky Davis trade back in the day? Sorry I just despise Monday morning quarterbacks.

****, it turns out the "Dame package" outproduced what Dame did in Milwaukee, especially factoring in his injury problems, and nobody's eating crow on that one. Instead of saying they were wrong and appreciating Herro producing, they're whining that he's not good enough or he sucked in the playoffs when the whole team was garbage.

And then the Jimmy apologists (which there weren't a ton admittedly) bragging about how well GSW was playing, but disappearing in the playoffs just like Jimmy did when Steph went down and he refused to shoot the ball as if he was Ben Simmons reincarnated. Disgraceful.
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Post#706 » by lastb1ckman » Sat Aug 9, 2025 7:29 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I'm kind of rolling my eyes with these wild assumptions, oh we definitely had KD in the bag but the holdup was Ware, riiiiight. Also even if that were the case, the one-sided "OK Ware better produce" as if KD is guaranteed to lead the Rockets all the way.

Is anyone going to come eat crow if KD has an average season or even declines and Houston gets bounced in the second round or earlier? Did anyone eat crow when they cheered the Lowry signing, or the Rozier trade (I know a lot of you did I just don't keep receipts like some do)? Did anyone eat crow when they cheered the Ricky Davis trade back in the day? Sorry I just despise Monday morning quarterbacks.

****, it turns out the "Dame package" outproduced what Dame did in Milwaukee, especially factoring in his injury problems, and nobody's eating crow on that one. Instead of saying they were wrong and appreciating Herro producing, they're whining that he's not good enough or he sucked in the playoffs when the whole team was garbage.

And then the Jimmy apologists (which there weren't a ton admittedly) bragging about how well GSW was playing, but disappearing in the playoffs just like Jimmy did when Steph went down and he refused to shoot the ball as if he was Ben Simmons reincarnated. Disgraceful.


Its the obsession with transcations across the league. Fans always to base how good a team is doing based on the names they get in the off season. Even if theyre old or washed. Then if it doesn't work out they just move on or act like they were never for it.
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Post#707 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Sat Aug 9, 2025 7:53 pm

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Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I'm kind of rolling my eyes with these wild assumptions, oh we definitely had KD in the bag but the holdup was Ware, riiiiight. Also even if that were the case, the one-sided "OK Ware better produce" as if KD is guaranteed to lead the Rockets all the way.

Is anyone going to come eat crow if KD has an average season or even declines and Houston gets bounced in the second round or earlier? Did anyone eat crow when they cheered the Lowry signing, or the Rozier trade (I know a lot of you did I just don't keep receipts like some do)? Did anyone eat crow when they cheered the Ricky Davis trade back in the day? Sorry I just despise Monday morning quarterbacks.

****, it turns out the "Dame package" outproduced what Dame did in Milwaukee, especially factoring in his injury problems, and nobody's eating crow on that one. Instead of saying they were wrong and appreciating Herro producing, they're whining that he's not good enough or he sucked in the playoffs when the whole team was garbage.

And then the Jimmy apologists (which there weren't a ton admittedly) bragging about how well GSW was playing, but disappearing in the playoffs just like Jimmy did when Steph went down and he refused to shoot the ball as if he was Ben Simmons reincarnated. Disgraceful.


Its the obsession with transcations across the league. Fans always to base how good a team is doing based on the names they get in the off season. Even if theyre old or washed. Then if it doesn't work out they just move on or act like they were never for it.

That's true, its just as I get older I expect people to learn but I guess that's the nature of the beast. I **** you not, a lot of this board was singing the praises of Riley for the Ricky Davis trade purely because of how sick they were of Antoine Walker. Also because "Ricky Davis is athletic!!!" It was really similar to the Rozier deal where we took on more money and gave up a draft pick. And it turned out similarly as well.
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Post#711 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Sat Aug 9, 2025 8:39 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:If you don’t believe in this front office anymore then you can get tf out, it’s that simple!!


Lmao… are you talking to yourself here!?! I need green font from you! I never know when you are serious or not, and later, depending on the narrative you are seeking, you will say you are or are not depending on what you need. Which is it here!? Sarcasm or are you serious?
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Post#712 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Sat Aug 9, 2025 8:41 pm

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Numbers do not seem great, but not bad either… did you get to see the game? How did he contribute to the team as a whole? Did he impact/facilitate winning plays?
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Post#713 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Aug 9, 2025 8:45 pm

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Lmao… are you talking to yourself here!?! I need green font from you! I never know when you are serious or not, and later, depending on the narrative you are seeking, you will say you are or are not depending on what you need. Which is it here!? Sarcasm or are you serious?


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Post#715 » by Hallstar » Sat Aug 9, 2025 10:26 pm

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Numbers do not seem great, but not bad either… did you get to see the game? How did he contribute to the team as a whole? Did he impact/facilitate winning plays?

He was playing as a connector. Offense ran entirely through Jokic. Had some nice cuts and 3s. Most noticed he was defending very well on the perimeter. Need to see more but might really open up time at the 3. I remember him playing Luka as well as anybody we had last year.
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Post#716 » by Pokuokic » Sat Aug 9, 2025 11:09 pm

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Post#719 » by vagelis » Sun Aug 10, 2025 5:15 am

Fontecchio seems better than Jovic to me.
He has lighter feet and creates more with movement

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Post#720 » by Pokuokic » Sun Aug 10, 2025 11:53 am

vagelis wrote:Fontecchio seems better than Jovic to me.
He has lighter feet and creates more with movement


In FIBA/Euro balll he's better by a wide margin , I think you can make a case he's better than current Bogdanovic as well in FIBA but he's definitely worse than both in the NBA but he will most likely be both the back up SG and SF for the Heat if he does not leave for Turkey (buyout) which some reports are suggesting.

Simone is a legit monster in FIBA he always wrecks Serbia and he's a legit #1 option for Italy. He similar to what Patty Mills use to do a meh back up /3rd stringer in the NBA but a lethal weapon against anyone in FiBA.

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