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Post#2501 » by Larry Ellison » Thu Aug 14, 2025 2:53 am

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Larry Ellison wrote:It was more than that. It's been a while. I paid attention when it was happening. I am just going off my recollections. She was bragging on social media about hooking up with Josh. It was the inadvertent public disclosure of an inappropriate relationship that brought it to a screaching halt. She was 15 years old and didn't realize the potential consequences by posting on IG that she just f*ed Josh Giddey. I only know what I saw online so I could be wrong. My impression was they were a thing, not a one night stand, both were ok with it, and it was only her dumb social media post that ended it.


Larry Ellison wrote:She posted on IG "I just f*ed Josh Giddey." That is a fact. The post was rapidly deleted. But I saw the screen capture myself at the time. Nothing is ever truly deleted on the Internet. She was bragging. She was immature. This was the catalyst for the entire investigation. Beyond that, I don't like to speculate about factual issues that I don't have personal knowledge of. My uninformed speculation is that things were going swimmingly and he would have continued the relationship with her if it had not been publicly exposed. But it was. I was expecting criminal prosecution and NBA discipline. It never happened. The girl refused to cooperate. I don't blame her parents for wanting to shut it down instead of create a spectacle with a trial. She was a wild child and a willing participant in the relationship. Josh was 19. He should have known better and found a different girl.


You have represented yourself as a lawyer. These are statements unbecoming of the profession. Quite frankly, they constitute victim shaming. I'd like to also point out that your recollection of the matter is faulty. Giddey was 21 - not 19 - at the time of the "relationship" in question.

https://www.foxla.com/news/nba-star-josh-giddey-investigation-newport-beach-pd-alleged-relationship-minor


It gets worse with every post. He was 21, not 19. It wasn't just a club night meetup, it was a months long relationship that ended when it became public. At least the conversation exposed folks for what they are. The Internet is a wild place that allows people to express their true feelings without the fear of repercussions. I doubt Evan is defending Giddey, pedophilia, or sex with minors in a face to face conversation, in a public space, or with friends and family. The anonymity of the internet certainly provides a place for it, though.


It's not pedophilia. It is morally objectionable and illegal conduct. Respectfully, I think the back and forth between you and Evan is not connected in any way to whether Josh Giddey would be a good addition to the Warriors. Gently suggest you guys let it fade away.
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Post#2502 » by vvoland » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:05 am

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You have represented yourself as a lawyer. These are statements unbecoming of the profession. Quite frankly, they constitute victim shaming. I'd like to also point out that your recollection of the matter is faulty. Giddey was 21 - not 19 - at the time of the "relationship" in question.

https://www.foxla.com/news/nba-star-josh-giddey-investigation-newport-beach-pd-alleged-relationship-minor


It gets worse with every post. He was 21, not 19. It wasn't just a club night meetup, it was a months long relationship that ended when it became public. At least the conversation exposed folks for what they are. The Internet is a wild place that allows people to express their true feelings without the fear of repercussions. I doubt Evan is defending Giddey, pedophilia, or sex with minors in a face to face conversation, in a public space, or with friends and family. The anonymity of the internet certainly provides a place for it, though.


It's not pedophilia. It is morally objectionable and illegal conduct. Respectfully, I think the back and forth between you and Evan is not connected in any way to whether Josh Giddey would be a good addition to the Warriors. Gently suggest you guys let it fade away.


By the legal definition, it is not pedophilia, it is sex with a minor. In the commonly accepted cultural definition, JG is definitely a pedo. Just ask Kendrick. I'm not debating evan in court so I'm fine using the socially accepted definition. It's like people saying "anti-semitism" isn't just about jews as 'semites' can include a number of non-jewish people. While technically true, it is not how the world views 'anti-semitism.'

I am clearly bothered by people excusing JG's behavior as "something millions of people do every day" and "no big deal." My daughter is 11 and is starting middle school next week. I'm sure I'm more triggered by this conversation today than I would have been a decade ago. Mostly because I know what people like Giddey would do to an 11 year old (when they were 15, for example, not 21). The fact that we have people on this message board trying to excuse that behavior is abhorrent. The fact that they're actually trying to normalize it is.... f'king disgusting and borderline criminal.
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Post#2503 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:07 am

I would be a no on giddey for basketball reasons. He's not worth the gamble for a contending team because he'd be a liability in the playoffs.

He's shooting is suspect and his defense is even more suspect. No thanks on that 30M bill.

This team needs more shooting and defense around steph, dray, and jimmy.

Gun to my head, I'd probably take Grimes among the 4 rfas for this team. But none for more than 20M.
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Post#2504 » by EvanZ » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:13 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:I would be a no on giddey for basketball reasons. He's not worth the gamble for a contending team because he'd be a liability in the playoffs.

He's shooting is suspect and his defense is even more suspect. No thanks on that 30M bill.

This team needs more shooting and defense around steph, dray, and jimmy.

Gun to my head, I'd probably take Grimes among the 4 rfas for this team. But none for more than 20M.


It’s weird people keep saying $30M. He wouldn’t get that. This whole discussion obviously is premised on a straight up trade for JK which they both get paid the same AAV.
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Post#2505 » by Larry Ellison » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:14 am

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It gets worse with every post. He was 21, not 19. It wasn't just a club night meetup, it was a months long relationship that ended when it became public. At least the conversation exposed folks for what they are. The Internet is a wild place that allows people to express their true feelings without the fear of repercussions. I doubt Evan is defending Giddey, pedophilia, or sex with minors in a face to face conversation, in a public space, or with friends and family. The anonymity of the internet certainly provides a place for it, though.


It's not pedophilia. It is morally objectionable and illegal conduct. Respectfully, I think the back and forth between you and Evan is not connected in any way to whether Josh Giddey would be a good addition to the Warriors. Gently suggest you guys let it fade away.


By the legal definition, it is not pedophilia, it is sex with a minor. In the commonly accepted cultural definition, JG is definitely a pedo. Just ask Kendrick. I'm not debating evan in court so I'm fine using the socially accepted definition. It's like people saying "anti-semitism" isn't just about jews as 'semites' can include a number of non-jewish people. While technically true, it is not how the world views 'anti-semitism.'

I am clearly bothered by people excusing JG's behavior as "something millions of people do every day" and "no big deal." My daughter is 11 and is starting middle school next week. I'm sure I'm more triggered by this conversation today than I would have been a decade ago. Mostly because I know what people like Giddey would do to an 11 year old (when they were 15, for example, not 21). The fact that we have people on this message board trying to excuse that behavior is abhorrent. The fact that they're actually trying to normalize it is.... f'king disgusting and borderline criminal.


Haha. A Minor. I got you. I have daughters. There is only so much we can do to protect them. Teach them to be strong and independent to fend for themselves. The world is predatory.
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Post#2506 » by Larry Ellison » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:17 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:I would be a no on giddey for basketball reasons. He's not worth the gamble for a contending team because he'd be a liability in the playoffs.

He's shooting is suspect and his defense is even more suspect. No thanks on that 30M bill.

This team needs more shooting and defense around steph, dray, and jimmy.

Gun to my head, I'd probably take Grimes among the 4 rfas for this team. But none for more than 20M.


It’s weird people keep saying $30M. He wouldn’t get that. This whole discussion obviously is premised on a straight up trade for JK which they both get paid the same AAV.


Can the Warriors sign and trade JK for Giddey, with equivalent salaries, and avoid the rule where the incoming salary is only 50%? Is this trade even realistic? Honest question.
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Post#2507 » by vvoland » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:21 am

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It's not pedophilia. It is morally objectionable and illegal conduct. Respectfully, I think the back and forth between you and Evan is not connected in any way to whether Josh Giddey would be a good addition to the Warriors. Gently suggest you guys let it fade away.


By the legal definition, it is not pedophilia, it is sex with a minor. In the commonly accepted cultural definition, JG is definitely a pedo. Just ask Kendrick. I'm not debating evan in court so I'm fine using the socially accepted definition. It's like people saying "anti-semitism" isn't just about jews as 'semites' can include a number of non-jewish people. While technically true, it is not how the world views 'anti-semitism.'

I am clearly bothered by people excusing JG's behavior as "something millions of people do every day" and "no big deal." My daughter is 11 and is starting middle school next week. I'm sure I'm more triggered by this conversation today than I would have been a decade ago. Mostly because I know what people like Giddey would do to an 11 year old (when they were 15, for example, not 21). The fact that we have people on this message board trying to excuse that behavior is abhorrent. The fact that they're actually trying to normalize it is.... f'king disgusting and borderline criminal.


Haha. A Minor. I got you. I have 2 daughters. There is only so much we can do to protect them. Teach them to be strong and independent to fend for themselves. The world is predatory.


Indeed. Particularly, towards young women. Someone else on this board, not Evan, actually thinks the 15 yo is the perpetrator here as she "trapped" JG. A fing child "trapped" an adult millionaire. wtf???

Side note, when people talk about white male privilege, JG's picture should be the definition. I think we can all agree that if JG looked like JK, his ass would be in jail, especially in Oklahoma. Instead, people are bending over backwards to place the responsibility at the feet of the minor, her parents, the club, etc and not at the feet of the one adult in this relationship who, as you said, should have known better.
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Post#2508 » by vvoland » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:22 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:I would be a no on giddey for basketball reasons. He's not worth the gamble for a contending team because he'd be a liability in the playoffs.

He's shooting is suspect and his defense is even more suspect. No thanks on that 30M bill.

This team needs more shooting and defense around steph, dray, and jimmy.

Gun to my head, I'd probably take Grimes among the 4 rfas for this team. But none for more than 20M.


It’s weird people keep saying $30M. He wouldn’t get that. This whole discussion obviously is premised on a straight up trade for JK which they both get paid the same AAV.


Can the Warriors sign and trade JK for Giddey, with equivalent salaries, and avoid the rule where the incoming salary is only 50%? Is this trade even realistic? Honest question.


Not really. that trade only becomes viable after the trade restrictions are lifted. In accepting a S&T player, we get hard capped at the first apron and that's not possible with this trade.

Agree with you on Grimes. If he had to pick just between the 4 RFAs, I'd go with Grimes. Crazy that he was available for nothing 12 months ago
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Post#2509 » by Larry Ellison » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:24 am

vvoland wrote:
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By the legal definition, it is not pedophilia, it is sex with a minor. In the commonly accepted cultural definition, JG is definitely a pedo. Just ask Kendrick. I'm not debating evan in court so I'm fine using the socially accepted definition. It's like people saying "anti-semitism" isn't just about jews as 'semites' can include a number of non-jewish people. While technically true, it is not how the world views 'anti-semitism.'

I am clearly bothered by people excusing JG's behavior as "something millions of people do every day" and "no big deal." My daughter is 11 and is starting middle school next week. I'm sure I'm more triggered by this conversation today than I would have been a decade ago. Mostly because I know what people like Giddey would do to an 11 year old (when they were 15, for example, not 21). The fact that we have people on this message board trying to excuse that behavior is abhorrent. The fact that they're actually trying to normalize it is.... f'king disgusting and borderline criminal.


Haha. A Minor. I got you. I have 2 daughters. There is only so much we can do to protect them. Teach them to be strong and independent to fend for themselves. The world is predatory.


Indeed. Particularly, towards young women. Someone else on this board, not Evan, actually thinks the 15 yo is the perpetrator here as she "trapped" JG. A fing child "trapped" an adult millionaire. wtf???

Side note, when people talk about white male privilege, JG's picture should be the definition. I think we can all agree that if JG looked like JK, his ass would be in jail, especially in Oklahoma. Instead, people are bending over backwards to place the responsibility at the feet of the minor, her parents, the club, etc and not at the feet of the one adult in this relationship who, as you said, should have known better.


I don't understand this reference.

Edit: I see now you are talking about JG. I don't think it is racial. Just another rich guy pulling the strings.
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Post#2510 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:28 am

vvoland wrote:
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vvoland wrote:
By the legal definition, it is not pedophilia, it is sex with a minor. In the commonly accepted cultural definition, JG is definitely a pedo. Just ask Kendrick. I'm not debating evan in court so I'm fine using the socially accepted definition. It's like people saying "anti-semitism" isn't just about jews as 'semites' can include a number of non-jewish people. While technically true, it is not how the world views 'anti-semitism.'

I am clearly bothered by people excusing JG's behavior as "something millions of people do every day" and "no big deal." My daughter is 11 and is starting middle school next week. I'm sure I'm more triggered by this conversation today than I would have been a decade ago. Mostly because I know what people like Giddey would do to an 11 year old (when they were 15, for example, not 21). The fact that we have people on this message board trying to excuse that behavior is abhorrent. The fact that they're actually trying to normalize it is.... f'king disgusting and borderline criminal.


Haha. A Minor. I got you. I have 2 daughters. There is only so much we can do to protect them. Teach them to be strong and independent to fend for themselves. The world is predatory.


Indeed. Particularly, towards young women. Someone else on this board, not Evan, actually thinks the 15 yo is the perpetrator here as she "trapped" JG. A fing child "trapped" an adult millionaire. wtf???

Side note, when people talk about white male privilege, JG's picture should be the definition. I think we can all agree that if JG looked like JK, his ass would be in jail, especially in Oklahoma. Instead, people are bending over backwards to place the responsibility at the feet of the minor, her parents, the club, etc and not at the feet of the one adult in this relationship who, as you said, should have known better.


The only colour that matters is green. His skin colour makes no difference. It's all about money.

If giddey was an unemployed guy living in his mom's basement, he'd probably be prosecuted.
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Post#2511 » by vvoland » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:36 am

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vvoland wrote:
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Haha. A Minor. I got you. I have 2 daughters. There is only so much we can do to protect them. Teach them to be strong and independent to fend for themselves. The world is predatory.


Indeed. Particularly, towards young women. Someone else on this board, not Evan, actually thinks the 15 yo is the perpetrator here as she "trapped" JG. A fing child "trapped" an adult millionaire. wtf???

Side note, when people talk about white male privilege, JG's picture should be the definition. I think we can all agree that if JG looked like JK, his ass would be in jail, especially in Oklahoma. Instead, people are bending over backwards to place the responsibility at the feet of the minor, her parents, the club, etc and not at the feet of the one adult in this relationship who, as you said, should have known better.


The only colour that matters is green. His skin colour makes no difference. It's all about money.

If giddey was an unemployed guy living in his mom's basement, he'd probably be prosecuted.


Agree to disagree. The racial disparities in the criminal justice system are stark, to say the least, particularly in the South. Though I'm not sure if this girl is from OK, I think it was a SoCal case so she must be an LA resident. Regardless, when the 15 year old girl is white and the 21 year old is black, I don't think the money would matter as much as you think.
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Post#2512 » by Old_Blue » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:49 am

vvoland wrote:Agree to disagree. The racial disparities in the criminal justice system are stark, to say the least, particularly in the South. Though I'm not sure if this girl is from OK, I think it was a SoCal case so she must be an LA resident. Regardless, when the 15 year old girl is white and the 21 year old is black, I don't think the money would matter as much as you think.


I've already provided this link twice before. It's worth reading if you want some background on Todd Spitzer - the District Attorney who handled the Giddey case. Some of the OCDA's problems appear to have preceded Spitzer's time in office:

https://www.aclusocal.org/en/press-releases/breaking-court-rules-ocda-todd-spitzer-unlawfully-concealed-prosecutorial-data-and

In a rebuke to Orange County District Attorney Todd Spitzer, an OC Superior Court judge ruled today that Spitzer unlawfully withheld crucial records related to the California Racial Justice Act (RJA)—a groundbreaking law designed to prevent racial bias in the criminal legal system.

The ruling comes after a 2022 lawsuit filed by Chicanxs Unidxs de Orange County, the ACLU Foundations of Northern and Southern California and the Peace and Justice Law Center challenged Spitzer’s refusal to release prosecutorial data, policies and training materials as a violation of the Public Records Act.

“Todd Spitzer dismissed this lawsuit as ‘frivolous’ and ‘completely divorced from reality,’ but the court has now made it clear—the only thing frivolous were his excuses for hiding the truth,” said Sean Garcia-Leys, executive director of the Peace and Justice Law Center and attorney for Chicanxs Unidxs. “Spitzer fought to keep this data from public view, but today’s ruling confirms what many in our community have long known: he is more interested in covering up racial injustice than correcting it.”

...

The judge’s order exposes what Spitzer had long denied: that his office operated with a policy of violating transparency laws, which concealed evidence of racial disparities in prosecutions,” said Emi MacLean, senior staff attorney at the ACLU Foundation of Northern California and attorney for the plaintiffs in the case.

A 2022 ACLU Foundation of Northern California report on the OCDA’s prosecutorial practices previously revealed racial disparities in the office’s charging and diversion practices from 2017 to 2018, when former DA Tony Rackauckas led the office. The report also revealed that, despite DA Spitzer’s unwillingness to provide more recent office data, all available evidence suggested that the office’s racially disparate practices had not changed. Spitzer was the first district attorney in California to be personally found in violation of the RJA in 2022—a fact that underscores the urgent need for prosecutorial transparency.
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Indeed. Particularly, towards young women. Someone else on this board, not Evan, actually thinks the 15 yo is the perpetrator here as she "trapped" JG. A fing child "trapped" an adult millionaire. wtf???

Side note, when people talk about white male privilege, JG's picture should be the definition. I think we can all agree that if JG looked like JK, his ass would be in jail, especially in Oklahoma. Instead, people are bending over backwards to place the responsibility at the feet of the minor, her parents, the club, etc and not at the feet of the one adult in this relationship who, as you said, should have known better.


The only colour that matters is green. His skin colour makes no difference. It's all about money.

If giddey was an unemployed guy living in his mom's basement, he'd probably be prosecuted.


Agree to disagree. The racial disparities in the criminal justice system are stark, to say the least, particularly in the South. Though I'm not sure if this girl is from OK, I think it was a SoCal case so she must be an LA resident. Regardless, when the 15 year old girl is white and the 21 year old is black, I don't think the money would matter as much as you think.


Racial prejudice is a generational cultural legacy. It takes time to change. The girl is from Orange County.
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Post#2514 » by Larry Ellison » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:53 am

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vvoland wrote:Agree to disagree. The racial disparities in the criminal justice system are stark, to say the least, particularly in the South. Though I'm not sure if this girl is from OK, I think it was a SoCal case so she must be an LA resident. Regardless, when the 15 year old girl is white and the 21 year old is black, I don't think the money would matter as much as you think.


I've already provided this link twice before. It's worth reading if you want some background on Todd Spitzer - the District Attorney who handled the Giddey case. Some of the OCDA's problems appear to have preceded Spitzer's time in office:

https://www.aclusocal.org/en/press-releases/breaking-court-rules-ocda-todd-spitzer-unlawfully-concealed-prosecutorial-data-and

In a rebuke to Orange County District Attorney Todd Spitzer, an OC Superior Court judge ruled today that Spitzer unlawfully withheld crucial records related to the California Racial Justice Act (RJA)—a groundbreaking law designed to prevent racial bias in the criminal legal system.

The ruling comes after a 2022 lawsuit filed by Chicanxs Unidxs de Orange County, the ACLU Foundations of Northern and Southern California and the Peace and Justice Law Center challenged Spitzer’s refusal to release prosecutorial data, policies and training materials as a violation of the Public Records Act.

“Todd Spitzer dismissed this lawsuit as ‘frivolous’ and ‘completely divorced from reality,’ but the court has now made it clear—the only thing frivolous were his excuses for hiding the truth,” said Sean Garcia-Leys, executive director of the Peace and Justice Law Center and attorney for Chicanxs Unidxs. “Spitzer fought to keep this data from public view, but today’s ruling confirms what many in our community have long known: he is more interested in covering up racial injustice than correcting it.”

...

The judge’s order exposes what Spitzer had long denied: that his office operated with a policy of violating transparency laws, which concealed evidence of racial disparities in prosecutions,” said Emi MacLean, senior staff attorney at the ACLU Foundation of Northern California and attorney for the plaintiffs in the case.

A 2022 ACLU Foundation of Northern California report on the OCDA’s prosecutorial practices previously revealed racial disparities in the office’s charging and diversion practices from 2017 to 2018, when former DA Tony Rackauckas led the office. The report also revealed that, despite DA Spitzer’s unwillingness to provide more recent office data, all available evidence suggested that the office’s racially disparate practices had not changed. Spitzer was the first district attorney in California to be personally found in violation of the RJA in 2022—a fact that underscores the urgent need for prosecutorial transparency.


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Post#2515 » by Twinkie defense » Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:54 am

Larry Ellison wrote:Can the Warriors sign and trade JK for Giddey, with equivalent salaries, and avoid the rule where the incoming salary is only 50%? Is this trade even realistic? Honest question.

Yes! I was surprised by this but it worked via Spotrac's trade machine at around $20 mil each. I put Podz into Chicago's TPE to better match incoming and outgoing value. Biggest hurdle was not BYC status but Chicago being hard capped at the first apron.

Of course this is all theoretical, but it could work under the CBA rules.
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Larry Ellison wrote:Are we good?


You and I were never not good. As you can tell though, there are certain legal matters that I take very seriously. Proceed.
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Post#2517 » by Larry Ellison » Thu Aug 14, 2025 4:05 am

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Larry Ellison wrote:Are we good?


You and I were never not good. As you can tell though, there are certain legal matters that I take very seriously. Proceed.


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Post#2518 » by Twinkie defense » Thu Aug 14, 2025 4:06 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:I would be a no on giddey for basketball reasons. He's not worth the gamble for a contending team because he'd be a liability in the playoffs.

He's shooting is suspect and his defense is even more suspect. No thanks on that 30M bill.

This team needs more shooting and defense around steph, dray, and jimmy.

The biggest problem for the Warriors last season was offensive production. I think Giddey's BBIQ and passing would help the offense a lot. He is going to get Stephen Curry the rock! You can say Giddey's .378 3 point shooting for the Bulls was an outlier, but his career average is .330 and has improved every season, and Kuminga shot .305 last season with no one guarding him so you can't argue it's not an upgrade. And he can play 1-4.

And if it's defense you want (remembering that the Warriors were a top 5 defense last season and are likely to add Melton and Horford), Kuminga is not exactly a great defender.

Of course this is all hypothetical and extremely unlikely.
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Post#2519 » by vvoland » Thu Aug 14, 2025 4:17 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:I would be a no on giddey for basketball reasons. He's not worth the gamble for a contending team because he'd be a liability in the playoffs.

He's shooting is suspect and his defense is even more suspect. No thanks on that 30M bill.

This team needs more shooting and defense around steph, dray, and jimmy.

The biggest problem for the Warriors last season was offensive production. I think Giddey's BBIQ and passing would help the offense a lot. He is going to get Stephen Curry the rock! You can say Giddey's .378 3 point shooting for the Bulls was an outlier, but his career average is .330 and has improved every season, and Kuminga shot .305 last season with no one guarding him so you can't argue it's not an upgrade. And he can play 1-4.

And if it's defense you want (remembering that the Warriors were a top 5 defense last season and are likely to add Melton and Horford), Kuminga is not exactly a great defender.

Of course this is all hypothetical and extremely unlikely.


Sending out Podz keeps US under the 1st apron? Really? Even if true, JK and Podz for JG? Why would we ever do that?

JK may be a flawed defender but compared to Giddey, he's Kawhi MFing Leonard.

We have enough people to get Steph the rock. We need people to score the basketball so steph isn't playing 1 on 5. JG is not that guy. JK might not be either, but Giddey is not a fit here.

JG's best stretch came for a tanking team, in the last 1/3 of the season, against, mostly, tanking eastern conference teams. I don't believe those numbers, at all.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2520 » by vvoland » Thu Aug 14, 2025 4:20 am

Old_Blue wrote:
vvoland wrote:Agree to disagree. The racial disparities in the criminal justice system are stark, to say the least, particularly in the South. Though I'm not sure if this girl is from OK, I think it was a SoCal case so she must be an LA resident. Regardless, when the 15 year old girl is white and the 21 year old is black, I don't think the money would matter as much as you think.


I've already provided this link twice before. It's worth reading if you want some background on Todd Spitzer - the District Attorney who handled the Giddey case. Some of the OCDA's problems appear to have preceded Spitzer's time in office:

https://www.aclusocal.org/en/press-releases/breaking-court-rules-ocda-todd-spitzer-unlawfully-concealed-prosecutorial-data-and

In a rebuke to Orange County District Attorney Todd Spitzer, an OC Superior Court judge ruled today that Spitzer unlawfully withheld crucial records related to the California Racial Justice Act (RJA)—a groundbreaking law designed to prevent racial bias in the criminal legal system.

The ruling comes after a 2022 lawsuit filed by Chicanxs Unidxs de Orange County, the ACLU Foundations of Northern and Southern California and the Peace and Justice Law Center challenged Spitzer’s refusal to release prosecutorial data, policies and training materials as a violation of the Public Records Act.

“Todd Spitzer dismissed this lawsuit as ‘frivolous’ and ‘completely divorced from reality,’ but the court has now made it clear—the only thing frivolous were his excuses for hiding the truth,” said Sean Garcia-Leys, executive director of the Peace and Justice Law Center and attorney for Chicanxs Unidxs. “Spitzer fought to keep this data from public view, but today’s ruling confirms what many in our community have long known: he is more interested in covering up racial injustice than correcting it.”

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The judge’s order exposes what Spitzer had long denied: that his office operated with a policy of violating transparency laws, which concealed evidence of racial disparities in prosecutions,” said Emi MacLean, senior staff attorney at the ACLU Foundation of Northern California and attorney for the plaintiffs in the case.

A 2022 ACLU Foundation of Northern California report on the OCDA’s prosecutorial practices previously revealed racial disparities in the office’s charging and diversion practices from 2017 to 2018, when former DA Tony Rackauckas led the office. The report also revealed that, despite DA Spitzer’s unwillingness to provide more recent office data, all available evidence suggested that the office’s racially disparate practices had not changed. Spitzer was the first district attorney in California to be personally found in violation of the RJA in 2022—a fact that underscores the urgent need for prosecutorial transparency.


You're right, this particular DA might have given JK the electric chair. I'm half-kidding, of course, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that JK isn't seeing the inside of a jail cell, if he's in Giddey's place.

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