Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts The 19th Hole

[Devilanche]

Me too. I think Scoot is just trying to throw us off the scent.

Haha agree, just didn't want him to know that

Nah, if I got hired by a team, y’all would know because I’d nuke every evidence of my existence here first

Awww thought you loved us enough to let us know about the new opportunity.

[JRoy]

From the Pacers forum:


We've probably argued with an actual AGM here!

I'd have thought this was you tbh.

Me too. I think Scoot is just trying to throw us off the scent.

He’s suspiciously well versed in trade rules.

[Wizop]

Scoot's name is visible on BlueSky (and maybe X) and it isn't Ted Wu.

[zimpy27]

Scoot's name is visible on BlueSky (and maybe X) and it isn't Ted Wu.

ScooTed McWu


But honestly I do think some here should have an FO job, just got to try get in, don't know what the track is.

[Devilanche]

Scoot's name is visible on BlueSky (and maybe X) and it isn't Ted Wu.

Or maybe he set up the misdirection a long time ago…

[the_process]

From the Pacers forum:

Ted Wu, Pacer Assistant GM, tells how he got into basketball on the latest Setting The Pace. Of note, before the league office hired him, he says he was a regular on RealGM and the Trade Forum.

We've probably argued with an actual AGM here!

We need to know Ted's handle.

[the_process]

Scoot's name is visible on BlueSky (and maybe X) and it isn't Ted Wu.

Or maybe he set up the misdirection a long time ago…

Long con.

[Scoot McGroot]

Scoot's name is visible on BlueSky (and maybe X) and it isn't Ted Wu.

Or maybe he set up the misdirection a long time ago…

Long con.

….who’s to say?

[SkyHook]

Simons to NOP
Murray to UTA
Nurkic to BOS
What picks are needed to balance this?

—Pels get a healthy player to provide scoring this season plus added flexibility next summer with his expiring contract.
—Jazz can afford for Murray to take all the rehabilitation time he needs. Per Fanspo would have to renounce their TPEs and cap holds, using up all but $74K of their cap space.
—Celts get cheaper cap fodder and can get out of the tax completely with another small move.

[jayjaysee]

Simons to NOP
Murray to UTA
Nurkic to BOS
What picks are needed to balance this?

—Pels get a healthy player to provide scoring this season plus added flexibility next summer with his expiring contract.
—Jazz can afford for Murray to take all the rehabilitation time he needs. Per Fanspo would have to renounce their TPEs and cap holds, using up all but $74K of their cap space.
—Celts get cheaper cap fodder and can get out of the tax completely with another small move.

NOP has Poole to be their Simons. They don’t have tax issues and I think they just sit on DJM if it costs to dump him (which it likely should right now)

I have no idea what Dumars vision actually is, or if he has one, but I think if you put on the right pair of goggles you can see Zion/Trey/DJM being decent while Missi/Queen/Fears hopefully develop around them?

[jbk1234]

Simons to NOP
Murray to UTA
Nurkic to BOS
What picks are needed to balance this?

—Pels get a healthy player to provide scoring this season plus added flexibility next summer with his expiring contract.
—Jazz can afford for Murray to take all the rehabilitation time he needs. Per Fanspo would have to renounce their TPEs and cap holds, using up all but $74K of their cap space.
—Celts get cheaper cap fodder and can get out of the tax completely with another small move.

I think Simons for Nurkic is close to nuetral. Maybe the Celtics are owed a second. I struggle with the Murray part because the Pelicans really should pay a first, but they don't have a PG after this, I don't think they're deliberately tanking, and Simons expiring only helps them if they cut loose Zion as well next summer.

[SkyHook]

Simons to NOP
Murray to UTA
Nurkic to BOS
What picks are needed to balance this?

—Pels get a healthy player to provide scoring this season plus added flexibility next summer with his expiring contract.
—Jazz can afford for Murray to take all the rehabilitation time he needs. Per Fanspo would have to renounce their TPEs and cap holds, using up all but $74K of their cap space.
—Celts get cheaper cap fodder and can get out of the tax completely with another small move.

NOP has Poole to be their Simons. They don’t have tax issues and I think they just sit on DJM if it costs to dump him (which it likely should right now)

I have no idea what Dumars vision actually is, or if he has one, but I think if you put on the right pair of goggles you can see Zion/Trey/DJM being decent while Missi/Queen/Fears hopefully develop around them?

Part of my thinking was Murray's biting in his criticism of the Pels franchise a couple of months ago. Has that been smoothed over? Would both sides welcome a reset?

[SkyHook]

Simons to NOP
Murray to UTA
Nurkic to BOS
What picks are needed to balance this?

—Pels get a healthy player to provide scoring this season plus added flexibility next summer with his expiring contract.
—Jazz can afford for Murray to take all the rehabilitation time he needs. Per Fanspo would have to renounce their TPEs and cap holds, using up all but $74K of their cap space.
—Celts get cheaper cap fodder and can get out of the tax completely with another small move.

I think Simons for Nurkic is close to nuetral. Maybe the Celtics are owed a second. I struggle with the Murray part because the Pelicans really should pay a first, but they don't have a PG after this, I don't think they're deliberately tanking, and Simons expiring only helps them if they cut loose Zion as well next summer.

Given the cap savings I was leaning towards an SRP from BOS, taking into account that Simons is less negative on his contract than Nurkic. They just gave up two to move slightly more net salary. Something from BOS to NOP and something more from NOP to UTA?

As for the Pels issue at point, Jazz could give George (more of a scorer) or Collier (great assist numbers); both have ample flaws. Clayton is another option, but the cost would be higher.

[Godaddycurse]

Simons to NOP
Murray to UTA
Nurkic to BOS
What picks are needed to balance this?

—Pels get a healthy player to provide scoring this season plus added flexibility next summer with his expiring contract.
—Jazz can afford for Murray to take all the rehabilitation time he needs. Per Fanspo would have to renounce their TPEs and cap holds, using up all but $74K of their cap space.
—Celts get cheaper cap fodder and can get out of the tax completely with another small move.

I think Simons for Nurkic is close to nuetral. Maybe the Celtics are owed a second. I struggle with the Murray part because the Pelicans really should pay a first, but they don't have a PG after this, I don't think they're deliberately tanking, and Simons expiring only helps them if they cut loose Zion as well next summer.

Given the cap savings I was leaning towards an SRP from BOS, taking into account that Simons is less negative on his contract than Nurkic. They just gave up two to move slightly more net salary. Something from BOS to NOP and something more from NOP to UTA?

As for the Pels issue at point, Jazz could give George (more of a scorer) or Collier (great assist numbers); both have ample flaws. Clayton is another option, but the cost would be higher.

Pels already have a rookie PG, doubt they want another

[jayjaysee]

Simons to NOP
Murray to UTA
Nurkic to BOS
What picks are needed to balance this?

—Pels get a healthy player to provide scoring this season plus added flexibility next summer with his expiring contract.
—Jazz can afford for Murray to take all the rehabilitation time he needs. Per Fanspo would have to renounce their TPEs and cap holds, using up all but $74K of their cap space.
—Celts get cheaper cap fodder and can get out of the tax completely with another small move.

NOP has Poole to be their Simons. They don’t have tax issues and I think they just sit on DJM if it costs to dump him (which it likely should right now)

I have no idea what Dumars vision actually is, or if he has one, but I think if you put on the right pair of goggles you can see Zion/Trey/DJM being decent while Missi/Queen/Fears hopefully develop around them?

Part of my thinking was Murray's biting in his criticism of the Pels franchise a couple of months ago. Has that been smoothed over? Would both sides welcome a reset?

I really don’t know about that.

I think Dumars trading the 2026 first means they have no plans of getting worse. And a midseason semi-healthy DJM should be a better player than Nurkic for a full season.

If DJM’s comments were as bad as they sound, I do think they should be looking at moving on. Think dumping DJM costs more than they should pay (say a decent first) though, probably look to do a negative/negative swap..

[jayjaysee]

Just a random one since we’re talking about DJM’s pretty bad take on being in New Orleans..

Gafford and Prosper to Charlotte
Josh Green, Caleb Martin, Hardy, Powell to NOP
Murray, Diabate, 2026 Orlando first to Dallas

Charlotte sheds Green’s money by adding Diabate?

NOP saves money and cuts DJM’s contract into 3 smaller pieces? Probably should not be a four for one, but Powell is an easy buy out and maybe some fourth team takes Caleb..

Dallas has to backfill a couple roster spots with vet mins that can hopefully shoot but you coin flip on either Kyrie/DJM coming back as good players midseason? And figure out the keepers next offseason..

[Godaddycurse]

Just a random one since we’re talking about DJM’s pretty bad take on being in New Orleans..

Gafford and Prosper to Charlotte
Josh Green, Caleb Martin, Hardy, Powell to NOP
Murray, Diabate, 2026 Orlando first to Dallas

Charlotte sheds Green’s money by adding Diabate?

NOP saves money and cuts DJM’s contract into 3 smaller pieces? Probably should not be a four for one, but Powell is an easy buy out and maybe some fourth team takes Caleb..

Dallas has to backfill a couple roster spots with vet mins that can hopefully shoot but you coin flip on either Kyrie/DJM coming back as good players midseason? And figure out the keepers next offseason..

charlotte dont need to get off green's extra money.. they have plenty of expirings to match. i think they owe diabate (+2nds) or a 1st, not both

[SkyHook]

NOP has Poole to be their Simons. They don’t have tax issues and I think they just sit on DJM if it costs to dump him (which it likely should right now)

I have no idea what Dumars vision actually is, or if he has one, but I think if you put on the right pair of goggles you can see Zion/Trey/DJM being decent while Missi/Queen/Fears hopefully develop around them?

Part of my thinking was Murray's biting in his criticism of the Pels franchise a couple of months ago. Has that been smoothed over? Would both sides welcome a reset?

I really don’t know about that.

I think Dumars trading the 2026 first means they have no plans of getting worse. And a midseason semi-healthy DJM should be a better player than Nurkic for a full season.

If DJM’s comments were as bad as they sound, I do think they should be looking at moving on. Think dumping DJM costs more than they should pay (say a decent first) though, probably look to do a negative/negative swap..

Okay, but in this scenario NOP isn't getting Nurkic, they're getting Simons. Maybe he's redundant with Poole, but according to BBREF's imperfect position tracking, Poole has played nearly 40% of his career at the point. Might make for a decent three guard rotation with Fears.

[SkyHook]

Just a random one since we’re talking about DJM’s pretty bad take on being in New Orleans..

Gafford and Prosper to Charlotte
Josh Green, Caleb Martin, Hardy, Powell to NOP
Murray, Diabate, 2026 Orlando first to Dallas

Charlotte sheds Green’s money by adding Diabate?

NOP saves money and cuts DJM’s contract into 3 smaller pieces? Probably should not be a four for one, but Powell is an easy buy out and maybe some fourth team takes Caleb..

Dallas has to backfill a couple roster spots with vet mins that can hopefully shoot but you coin flip on either Kyrie/DJM coming back as good players midseason? And figure out the keepers next offseason..

Even if DJM is back sometime between Dec-Feb, I wouldn't put much stock in his effectiveness for the rest of the season. Getting back on the court is one thing, game shape is another, and finally trusting the leg at 100% is a step beyond.

[jayjaysee]

Just a random one since we’re talking about DJM’s pretty bad take on being in New Orleans..

Gafford and Prosper to Charlotte
Josh Green, Caleb Martin, Hardy, Powell to NOP
Murray, Diabate, 2026 Orlando first to Dallas

Charlotte sheds Green’s money by adding Diabate?

NOP saves money and cuts DJM’s contract into 3 smaller pieces? Probably should not be a four for one, but Powell is an easy buy out and maybe some fourth team takes Caleb..

Dallas has to backfill a couple roster spots with vet mins that can hopefully shoot but you coin flip on either Kyrie/DJM coming back as good players midseason? And figure out the keepers next offseason..

charlotte dont need to get off green's extra money.. they have plenty of expirings to match. i think they owe diabate (+2nds) or a 1st, not both

No real issue with that if they’d rather send Connaughton and NOP chips in seconds to Dallas instead of Dallas getting the extra value from Charlotte.

Or if DJM isn’t that negative, Dallas just gets the one asset (Diabate+2nds or the first) from CLT.