State Of Cowboys Union; Today And The last 30 years. Where do the Cowboys have it all wrong and where is it going?

[Jaydubb]

Kraft has been super lucky as an owner. Lucky to have drafted Brady in the late rounds, and then again lucky that Bledsoe got injured so that Tom could play. And then lucky again for the tuck rule, and then lucky again that Pete Carrol decided to pass instead of run.

I mean, I do think Kraft is a great owner and all, but he's been about as fortunate as an owner can be.

You can say this about every team that has won though. It takes a lot of talent but also some luck to win the superbowl.

[Micah Prescott]

Kraft has been super lucky as an owner. Lucky to have drafted Brady in the late rounds, and then again lucky that Bledsoe got injured so that Tom could play. And then lucky again for the tuck rule, and then lucky again that Pete Carrol decided to pass instead of run.

I mean, I do think Kraft is a great owner and all, but he's been about as fortunate as an owner can be.

You can say this about every team that has won though. It takes a lot of talent but also some luck to win the superbowl.

agree 100%

NFL has the biggest "luck" factor of all the major sports.

There are so many moving pieces and parts in the NFL, and then on top of that the playoffs are not a series of games like other sports. It's just one game that can be determined by a FG or a fumble.


MLB has the least amount of luck due to high number of games, which is why "Money Ball" works, you can basically just break the entire sport down to a math equation. You can not do that in the NFL.

[Mr B]

Lurie tried to buy the Patriots but was outbid by Kraft. Neither guy made a serious attempt at buying the Cowboys prior to Jerry buying them.

Right, Jerry had already bought the team. Since you clearly didn’t read the thread we are talking about if Jerry never bought the team in 1989. If the team was still up for sale when Lurie and Kraft were ready to buy there’s a chance one of them would have bought the Cowboys instead of the Patriots or Eagles. Even at that time the Cowboys had a bigger brand name than either the Pats or Eagles.

Typically, teams don't stay on the market that long lol. If Jerry didn't come along, then someone else would have, but there's no evidence that Kraft or Lurie had any intent on doing so. The Patriots we're sold in 1993 & the Eagles in '94.

They never had a chance to put in a bid because Jerry had already bought the team. This is all hypothetical anyways. Obviously an NFL is not going to stay on the market for that long. You can’t tell me though that if the Cowboys were available that they would not have put a bid in to buy them. Even during that era the Cowboys were a bigger brand and a more valuable franchise than either the Pats or Eagles were at that time.

[Mr B]

Bum Bright… wanted to fire Tom Landry but Tex Schramm kept that from happening.

Then Jerry axed them both on the same day when he bought the team. I seem to remember Schramm crying.

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[bluejerseyjinx]

Jerry should have played the same hardball with Dak and Lamb and we wouldn't be in this position in the first place like I had wanted. I would of played suck hardball with Dak he would have dropped his no trade clause and I would have traded his ass 2 drafts ago. I had a plan at the time which won't work now. Once again the great football mind of Jerry is always setting us back multiple years.

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Oh Jerry. Jerry, Jerry, Jerry. God, I think Jerry is ready now.

[Micah Prescott]

Jerry should have played the same hardball with Dak and Lamb and we wouldn't be in this position in the first place like I had wanted. I would of played suck hardball with Dak he would have dropped his no trade clause and I would have traded his ass 2 drafts ago. I had a plan at the time which won't work now. Once again the great football mind of Jerry is always setting us back multiple years.

Dak had it the worst of everyone, Dallas used the franchise tag on him. They literally waited as long as humanly possible before giving him a contract.

Parsons is still TWO SEASONS away from that.

The difference is that Dak didn't throw a fit about it or hold out, he just played football.



I get torn on these kind of issues TBH, because I feel like BOTH sides are within their right. Parsons signed a rookie deal, and the Cowboys are paying him on that deal that he signed. It's all fair game. But at the same time, Parsons deserves a big contract. He isn't getting any younger. IDK. All in all the business side of the NFL just sucks.

[Micah Prescott]

Of everyone runningbacks have it the absolute worst. They are really lucky to just get ONE big contract. And they take the most punishment of everyone. Most of their prime playing years are all used up within their rookie deal.

It's crap TBH, needs to be reworked

[bluejerseyjinx]

Jerry should have played the same hardball with Dak and Lamb and we wouldn't be in this position in the first place like I had wanted. I would of played suck hardball with Dak he would have dropped his no trade clause and I would have traded his ass 2 drafts ago. I had a plan at the time which won't work now. Once again the great football mind of Jerry is always setting us back multiple years.

Dak had it the worst of everyone, Dallas used the franchise tag on him. They literally waited as long as humanly possible before giving him a contract.

Parsons is still TWO SEASONS away from that.

The difference is that Dak didn't throw a fit about it or hold out, he just played football.



I get torn on these kind of issues TBH, because I feel like BOTH sides are within their right. Parsons signed a rookie deal, and the Cowboys are paying him on that deal that he signed. It's all fair game. But at the same time, Parsons deserves a big contract. He isn't getting any younger. IDK. All in all the business side of the NFL just sucks.

I agree with you Parsons should get paid but Jerry really should have played more ruthless with Dak. I would have given it so hard to Dak he would have been forced to get rid of his no trade clause and wanted to be traded during the 2024 nfl draft.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Of everyone runningbacks have it the absolute worst. They are really lucky to just get ONE big contract. And they take the most punishment of everyone. Most of their prime playing years are all used up within their rookie deal.

It's crap TBH, needs to be reworked

Agreeing with you twice in one day. I think I need to be committed.

[Micah Prescott]

Jerry should have played the same hardball with Dak and Lamb and we wouldn't be in this position in the first place like I had wanted. I would of played suck hardball with Dak he would have dropped his no trade clause and I would have traded his ass 2 drafts ago. I had a plan at the time which won't work now. Once again the great football mind of Jerry is always setting us back multiple years.

Dak had it the worst of everyone, Dallas used the franchise tag on him. They literally waited as long as humanly possible before giving him a contract.

Parsons is still TWO SEASONS away from that.

The difference is that Dak didn't throw a fit about it or hold out, he just played football.



I get torn on these kind of issues TBH, because I feel like BOTH sides are within their right. Parsons signed a rookie deal, and the Cowboys are paying him on that deal that he signed. It's all fair game. But at the same time, Parsons deserves a big contract. He isn't getting any younger. IDK. All in all the business side of the NFL just sucks.

I agree with you Parsons should get paid but Jerry really should have played more ruthless with Dak. I would have given it so hard to Dak he would have been forced to get rid of his no trade clause and wanted to be traded during the 2024 nfl draft.

What should have actually happened is that they should have given Dak a contract much sooner, and then it would have been much smaller. Same applies to Parsons here, as Dallas waits and waits, the going rates for an elite edge guy go up and up.

As Dallas holds firm they sit back and watch Myles Garrett, Max Crosby, Nick Bosa, etc get record breaking contracts that Dallas now has to top because they waited so long.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Dak had it the worst of everyone, Dallas used the franchise tag on him. They literally waited as long as humanly possible before giving him a contract.

Parsons is still TWO SEASONS away from that.

The difference is that Dak didn't throw a fit about it or hold out, he just played football.



I get torn on these kind of issues TBH, because I feel like BOTH sides are within their right. Parsons signed a rookie deal, and the Cowboys are paying him on that deal that he signed. It's all fair game. But at the same time, Parsons deserves a big contract. He isn't getting any younger. IDK. All in all the business side of the NFL just sucks.

I agree with you Parsons should get paid but Jerry really should have played more ruthless with Dak. I would have given it so hard to Dak he would have been forced to get rid of his no trade clause and wanted to be traded during the 2024 nfl draft.

What should have actually happened is that they should have given Dak a contract much sooner, and then it would have been much smaller. Same applies to Parsons here, as Dallas waits and waits, the going rates for an elite edge guy go up and up.

As Dallas holds firm they sit back and watch Myles Garrett, Max Crosby, Nick Bosa, etc get record breaking contracts that Dallas now has to top because they waited so long.

That's not what I would have done. Not sure you would like my idea I had at the time because you like Dak too much and I was looking to get rid of him.

[Micah Prescott]

I agree with you Parsons should get paid but Jerry really should have played more ruthless with Dak. I would have given it so hard to Dak he would have been forced to get rid of his no trade clause and wanted to be traded during the 2024 nfl draft.

What should have actually happened is that they should have given Dak a contract much sooner, and then it would have been much smaller. Same applies to Parsons here, as Dallas waits and waits, the going rates for an elite edge guy go up and up.

As Dallas holds firm they sit back and watch Myles Garrett, Max Crosby, Nick Bosa, etc get record breaking contracts that Dallas now has to top because they waited so long.

That's not what I would have done. Not sure you would like my idea I had at the time because you like Dak too much and I was looking to get rid of him.

You cutting Dak altogether isn't really on topic for Parsons situation lol

[bluejerseyjinx]

What should have actually happened is that they should have given Dak a contract much sooner, and then it would have been much smaller. Same applies to Parsons here, as Dallas waits and waits, the going rates for an elite edge guy go up and up.

As Dallas holds firm they sit back and watch Myles Garrett, Max Crosby, Nick Bosa, etc get record breaking contracts that Dallas now has to top because they waited so long.

That's not what I would have done. Not sure you would like my idea I had at the time because you like Dak too much and I was looking to get rid of him.

You cutting Dak altogether isn't really on topic for Parsons situation lol

I wasn't going to cut Dak. I would have gotten something out of him with a trade. I'm nothing like Jerry.

[Micah Prescott]

That's not what I would have done. Not sure you would like my idea I had at the time because you like Dak too much and I was looking to get rid of him.

You cutting Dak altogether isn't really on topic for Parsons situation lol

I wasn't going to cut Dak. I would have gotten something out of him with a trade. I'm nothing like Jerry.

Instead of more of the same Jerry/Dak talk, tell me what you would do right now with Micah Parsons?

[bluejerseyjinx]

You cutting Dak altogether isn't really on topic for Parsons situation lol

I wasn't going to cut Dak. I would have gotten something out of him with a trade. I'm nothing like Jerry.

Instead of more of the same Jerry/Dak talk, tell me what you would do right now with Micah Parsons?

Geez Micah. There's a couple ways to go here. But for me, I have no high expectations or expectations at all for this team and upcoming season. IMHO we only have about 7 players that are really talented that I like. So this team is lacking talent and depth. A couple key injuries to Dak or an o-lineman, and this team will struggle to win 4 games. I don't like the defense at all even with Parsons and Overshown who will miss the first 6 weeks or so. The defense is garbage with no depth, they can't stop a nose bleed and on offense they can't run the ball.
At this point, I guess I trade Parsons and get what I can for him. He's a lot like Jerry only interested in the brand instead of winning. I want winners and legends. To me Parsons doesn't come across as a serious winner or leader that I would want to follow.
To be honest, the whole organization needs a enima and good cleaning out starting with Jerry, his family and the whole front office. It has to be done or you guys are in for another 30 years of this crap. Sorry.

[Micah Prescott]

I wasn't going to cut Dak. I would have gotten something out of him with a trade. I'm nothing like Jerry.

Instead of more of the same Jerry/Dak talk, tell me what you would do right now with Micah Parsons?

Geez Micah. There's a couple ways to go here. But for me, I have no high expectations or expectations at all for this team and upcoming season. IMHO we only have about 7 players that are really talented that I like. So this team is lacking talent and depth. A couple key injuries to Dak or an o-lineman, and this team will struggle to win 4 games. I don't like the defense at all even with Parsons and Overshown who will miss the first 6 weeks or so. The defense is garbage with no depth, they can't stop a nose bleed and on offense they can't run the ball.
At this point, I guess I trade Parsons and get what I can for him. He's a lot like Jerry only interested in the brand instead of winning. I want winners and legends. To me Parsons doesn't come across as a serious winner or leader that I would want to follow.

He literally just removed all the branding from his social media and posted "I will WIN where ever I go".

But fair enough, you'd trade him. And the only thing I will say to that is, if Stephen and Jerry DO trade him, I hope I see you being real about it and giving them props on doing what you would have done.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Instead of more of the same Jerry/Dak talk, tell me what you would do right now with Micah Parsons?

Geez Micah. There's a couple ways to go here. But for me, I have no high expectations or expectations at all for this team and upcoming season. IMHO we only have about 7 players that are really talented that I like. So this team is lacking talent and depth. A couple key injuries to Dak or an o-lineman, and this team will struggle to win 4 games. I don't like the defense at all even with Parsons and Overshown who will miss the first 6 weeks or so. The defense is garbage with no depth, they can't stop a nose bleed and on offense they can't run the ball.
At this point, I guess I trade Parsons and get what I can for him. He's a lot like Jerry only interested in the brand instead of winning. I want winners and legends. To me Parsons doesn't come across as a serious winner or leader that I would want to follow.

He literally just removed all the branding from his social media and posted "I will WIN where ever I go".

But fair enough, you'd trade him. And the only thing I will say to that is, if Stephen and Jerry DO trade him, I hope I see you being real about it and giving them props on doing what you would have done.

Really. You can't be serious. You really think I would follow that road to the Jerry and Stephen cult? Just because once in a while they luckily get something right, doesn't excuse the 1,000 other screw ups over the years that set us back multiple years and continue to do. Like I tried to explain in my long response to mariner the other day, the original, old school Cowboy fans would not have put up with Jerry and given him a 30 year pass as GM. We would have forced him out a long time ago. I guess things are different now.

[Jaydubb]

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Does Micah know that Allen iverson never won a championship?