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Post#2001 » by babyjax13 » Sun Aug 24, 2025 4:23 am

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Devilanche wrote:Have enough future first been locked up in non-contenders that the top bid for decent role players changed from late first to a grab bag of seconds?


Somewhat. The right guys can still get a 1st in return. And it's always been the case that fans of non-competing teams feel that all their playable vets should return 1st round picks in a trade when most of them won't.

Few years back . Grayson archtype would have garnered a first for sure. Not sure if there’s any value attached to current klay.

I disagree about Allen ever being worth a first, but I probably dislike him a bit more than I ought to based on what a dirty player he was in college and the first part of his career. I was always worried he would injure someone on our team who was actually good during practice and was glad to see him gone.
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Post#2002 » by giberish » Sun Aug 24, 2025 4:50 am

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Devilanche wrote:Have enough future first been locked up in non-contenders that the top bid for decent role players changed from late first to a grab bag of seconds?


Somewhat. The right guys can still get a 1st in return. And it's always been the case that fans of non-competing teams feel that all their playable vets should return 1st round picks in a trade when most of them won't.

Few years back . Grayson archtype would have garnered a first for sure. Not sure if there’s any value attached to current klay.


Grayson's not that cheap. On a smaller contract he would have gotten a 1st. Current Klay is overpaid and slightly negative value.
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Post#2003 » by oldncreaky » Sun Aug 24, 2025 1:40 pm

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Grayson is a better shooter and much better defender

Yeah I agree. I don’t think the difference is worth a first round pick though. Grayson is just a role player.


Good Role player can fetch a first


As giberish says above this post, Allen is not cheap.

Allen's contract detracts from his value -- unless the team trading for him thinks he should/would start for them
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Post#2004 » by brackdan70 » Sun Aug 24, 2025 2:11 pm

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brackdan70 wrote:Yeah I agree. I don’t think the difference is worth a first round pick though. Grayson is just a role player.


Good Role player can fetch a first


As giberish says above this post, Allen is not cheap.

Allen's contract detracts from his value -- unless the team trading for him thinks he should/would start for them

Yeah exactly. He is a good player, but in this CBA he might be overpaid.
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Post#2005 » by Godaddycurse » Sun Aug 24, 2025 9:21 pm

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Good Role player can fetch a first


As giberish says above this post, Allen is not cheap.

Allen's contract detracts from his value -- unless the team trading for him thinks he should/would start for them

Yeah exactly. He is a good player, but in this CBA he might be overpaid.


Not really hes making about same as NAW/Robinson who just signed similar contracts in FA. I think allen is better than both
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Post#2006 » by oldncreaky » Sun Aug 24, 2025 10:05 pm

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As giberish says above this post, Allen is not cheap.

Allen's contract detracts from his value -- unless the team trading for him thinks he should/would start for them

Yeah exactly. He is a good player, but in this CBA he might be overpaid.


Not really hes making about same as NAW/Robinson who just signed similar contracts in FA. I think allen is better than both


"about" is doing some lifting here

When we look at guaranteed amounts:
-- Allen: 3 years, $54.4M
-- NAW: 4 years, $60.6M
-- Robinson: 2 yrs, $18.9M

Robinson's money isn't close -- which is good, because I don't think he's in the same tier as either Allen or NAW

IMO Allen and NAW are closer. NAW makes close to Allen, but crucially, NAW will fit into the NTMLE exception for his 2nd-4th years of his contract, while Allen is over that amount, and that matters to tradeability. I've got them as roughly similar players, with both being in the top 7or 8 of just about any team, but I dos see one critical difference: I can see a coach calling on NAW in the playoffs because of his D, but I don't see that happening for Allen.
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Post#2007 » by Mavrelous » Mon Aug 25, 2025 5:41 am

Stein is reporting that PJ Washington max extension with the Mavs is likely, it comes shy from 90M/4 years, and will make him untradable for this season.
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Post#2008 » by zimpy27 » Mon Aug 25, 2025 8:41 am

Mavrelous wrote:Stein is reporting that PJ Washington max extension with the Mavs is likely, it comes shy from 90M/4 years, and will make him untradable for this season.


That seems good to me. I mean it lines up with his value very well and he'd still be tradeable.
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Post#2009 » by Mavrelous » Mon Aug 25, 2025 8:45 am

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Mavrelous wrote:Stein is reporting that PJ Washington max extension with the Mavs is likely, it comes shy from 90M/4 years, and will make him untradable for this season.


That seems good to me. I mean it lines up with his value very well and he'd still be tradeable.

It's a bargain for who he was during the finals run.
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Post#2010 » by zimpy27 » Mon Aug 25, 2025 9:07 am

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Mavrelous wrote:Stein is reporting that PJ Washington max extension with the Mavs is likely, it comes shy from 90M/4 years, and will make him untradable for this season.


That seems good to me. I mean it lines up with his value very well and he'd still be tradeable.

It's a bargain for who he was during the finals run.


I would have said so a couple years ago. Now I'm not so sure. Not because of his play but 20m+ for a role player isn't a bargain anymore. He's comparable price oto Caruso and in that case I'd prefer Caruso.

But it's still a good deal, I'd still give an asset for him on that deal.
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Post#2011 » by Mavrelous » Mon Aug 25, 2025 9:39 am

zimpy27 wrote:
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That seems good to me. I mean it lines up with his value very well and he'd still be tradeable.

It's a bargain for who he was during the finals run.


I would have said so a couple years ago. Now I'm not so sure. Not because of his play but 20m+ for a role player isn't a bargain anymore. He's comparable price oto Caruso and in that case I'd prefer Caruso.

But it's still a good deal, I'd still give an asset for him on that deal.

Caruso is a better player, but he's limited in MPG and games played due to his style.
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Post#2012 » by jayjaysee » Mon Aug 25, 2025 11:50 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
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That seems good to me. I mean it lines up with his value very well and he'd still be tradeable.

It's a bargain for who he was during the finals run.


I would have said so a couple years ago. Now I'm not so sure. Not because of his play but 20m+ for a role player isn't a bargain anymore. He's comparable price oto Caruso and in that case I'd prefer Caruso.

But it's still a good deal, I'd still give an asset for him on that deal.


I think age might factor in a bit there, as well as play style. PJ’s extension covers seasons that should come with no decline (ages 28-31) while Caruso’s play style would be hard to keep at an elite level through the back of the extension.

Do agree that it’s not a huge bargain but good value as you said.
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Post#2013 » by brackdan70 » Mon Aug 25, 2025 12:04 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Stein is reporting that PJ Washington max extension with the Mavs is likely, it comes shy from 90M/4 years, and will make him untradable for this season.

Is that something that can happen before the season starts?
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Post#2014 » by brackdan70 » Mon Aug 25, 2025 12:11 pm

For PJ that puts him in the area of top 80-100 paid players.
A little high perhaps but as pointed out it covers his prime years so probably a fair contract.
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Post#2015 » by Mavrelous » Mon Aug 25, 2025 12:19 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Stein is reporting that PJ Washington max extension with the Mavs is likely, it comes shy from 90M/4 years, and will make him untradable for this season.

Is that something that can happen before the season starts?

It can happen this Friday.
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Post#2016 » by Mavrelous » Mon Aug 25, 2025 12:22 pm

PJ alone can be a very disappointing player, but PJ is the ultimate modern 4, not as good as Aaron Gordon or OG Annunobi, but gives you 80-90% of their production on both ends.
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Post#2017 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Aug 25, 2025 12:38 pm

Getting PJ done before he learns he is coming off the bench is smart business lol.
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Post#2018 » by SkyHook » Mon Aug 25, 2025 1:00 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Stein is reporting that PJ Washington max extension with the Mavs is likely, it comes shy from 90M/4 years, and will make him untradable for this season.

Because I've been thinking about the other two, I'll say that I'm far more comfortable with PJ's reported extension here than I am with Jabari Smith's or whatever Kuminga's end up being.
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Post#2019 » by Devilanche » Mon Aug 25, 2025 3:14 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Getting PJ done before he learns he is coming off the bench is smart business lol.

Getting paid above the MLE is good for anyone. PJ is doing the right thing .

Secure the money first, if his role is significantly smaller in future he can reach out to the front office and see if they can trade him then.
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Post#2020 » by Godaddycurse » Mon Aug 25, 2025 3:35 pm

Mavrelous wrote:PJ alone can be a very disappointing player, but PJ is the ultimate modern 4, not as good as Aaron Gordon or OG Annunobi, but gives you 80-90% of their production on both ends.


He is not nearly as good defensively imo. On offense sure

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