Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts The 19th Hole

[Texas Chuck]

Why do you have to take political shots to make your point? Not necessary in this discussion IMO

I mentioned nothing political. I said some in this country like to invent things to rail against. Which is just a truth. And something we should all look to avoid in all arenas.

I get it. You decide do I like player X or Y. If no, then you love to run with all kinds of attacking narratives. I'm just going to push back when you go too far.

[Devilanche]

Or was the motivation being traded away without him knowing ?

While publicly trashing him mind you. While claiming that AD of all players is more reliable than him.

This idea that Luka Doncic wasn't committed to winning as a Dallas Maverick is a false re-writing of history. I know that's popular in this country right now among some, but we really shouldn't just make stuff up to rail against. Luka was overweight at times. Luka also was among league leaders in minutes every year and dominated in the playoffs every year. To think he's just in it for money is laughable.

Why do you have to take political shots to make your point? Not necessary in this discussion IMO

You are 100% right that Nico claiming AD is more reliable is not only laughable, it's ridiculous, asinine, and shows he's not a competent GM. Luka was out of shape time after time, and it led to injuries in addition to his heavy minutes. Not to mention you could set your watch to him whining and barking at refs instead of getting back on D. My favorite Luka moment was when John Collins blew past him for a game winning shot and Luka barked and yelled at his teammate for it.

The public trashing was about as unprofessional and immature as it gets, but you dont think these convos were had with him throughout his tenure there? And he still came in out of shape? I didnt say he's only in it for the money, but its surely hsi main motivation. You think for a second he would have taken a discount deal like Brunson did for NY? No chance. If he wasnt willing to sacrifice certain foods and drinks and allot more gym time, doubt he'd give up a penny. But again, yeah, now he's Mr. Work Ethic, then and now

Copious amounts of money can buy being in shape and well-conditioned, with much less sacrifice than most of us have to do.

He’s getting max no matter what . What he really wants is revenge after the disrespect shown to him.

[JHFVF07]

The guy was by FAR the best player on a team that reached NBA finals, and lost to a historical good Boston Celtics. His conditioning/shape couldnt be THAT bad. If Nico was the Bulls GM in 80s, he probably would trade Jordan and tell the world how he had too many offcourt problems.

The example to be followed is Brunson who left a contending team, accept less money to play on his market choice. I respect Brunson decision of want to be a first choice, but you can say he throwed away a possible dinasty.

[jayjaysee]

Dallas fans get reminded so many times that the team could have locked Brunson up the year before.. Coming from the team that loves to offer extensions and try to look like the smartest in the room…

No idea how much better being in shape will make Luka, but he was already a top 3 player in the league with a beer in his hand.

[daoneandonly]

Never defended Nico, never will. He has made far more mistakes than any other current GM outside of maybe Dumars. And he got damn lucky Kuzma didnt want to come to Dallas, or the Mavs would have that bum at the expense of picks

But I'm not absolving Luka now or ever. Imagine constantly dealing with an insubordinate employee; it would be taxing on anyone, no matter how good the staff member is. A multi-millionaire athlete's job is to be in shape; he wasn't, he didn't care to, and I'm sure the team asked him about it time after time. Did it take away from him being great? No. WOuld it have prevented some of the injuries he has ben plagued with? No doubt

[daoneandonly]

While publicly trashing him mind you. While claiming that AD of all players is more reliable than him.

This idea that Luka Doncic wasn't committed to winning as a Dallas Maverick is a false re-writing of history. I know that's popular in this country right now among some, but we really shouldn't just make stuff up to rail against. Luka was overweight at times. Luka also was among league leaders in minutes every year and dominated in the playoffs every year. To think he's just in it for money is laughable.

Why do you have to take political shots to make your point? Not necessary in this discussion IMO

You are 100% right that Nico claiming AD is more reliable is not only laughable, it's ridiculous, asinine, and shows he's not a competent GM. Luka was out of shape time after time, and it led to injuries in addition to his heavy minutes. Not to mention you could set your watch to him whining and barking at refs instead of getting back on D. My favorite Luka moment was when John Collins blew past him for a game winning shot and Luka barked and yelled at his teammate for it.

The public trashing was about as unprofessional and immature as it gets, but you dont think these convos were had with him throughout his tenure there? And he still came in out of shape? I didnt say he's only in it for the money, but its surely hsi main motivation. You think for a second he would have taken a discount deal like Brunson did for NY? No chance. If he wasnt willing to sacrifice certain foods and drinks and allot more gym time, doubt he'd give up a penny. But again, yeah, now he's Mr. Work Ethic, then and now

Copious amounts of money can buy being in shape and well-conditioned, with much less sacrifice than most of us have to do.

He’s getting max no matter what . What he really wants is revenge after the disrespect shown to him.

But he would have gotten more with the Mavs since they drafted him.

But if hurt feelings are his motivation, I get it; it's understandable. I'd rather a guy who's motivated because the team got their butts handed to them in the Finals. But Luka? Nope. He came back in worse shape than ever before.

But somehow that's a lie being manipulated like other things in this country

[Texas Chuck]

He came into the season out of shape because he was injured.... I know facts are inconvenient, but they are still facts lol.

Edit: and I'm not saying Luka Doncic didn't at times do a poor job with his fitness/diet etc... Obviously this was an ongoing issue. But this need to assign demeaning and negative motivations to players you've chosen not to like is just well weird. Dude showed constantly he was one of the most competitive players in the world. But now that he's a Laker suddenly all he cares about is money. Or showing up Dallas. Even though he dragged a pretty weak roster all the way to the Finals while playing at way less than 100%. A guy who didn't care about anything would have just sat out and made sure he secured his max extension rather than risk more serious injury. But nah he got out there and balled.

Sorry but even players you don't like have positive attributes and you don't get to assign them negative motivation or character traits out of thin air because thats been modeled to you by your hero.

[daoneandonly]

And what came first, the chicken or the egg? Maybe he was injured because he was always out of shape. Fact or opinion, who knows?

[daoneandonly]

Well my only hero is Jesus

I assign negative value because its aggravating as a fan to see this "in shape Luka", this motivated more than ever guy now all over the media, when so many of us Mavs fans were begging for him to take that part more seriously along with stop whining to the refs, which maybe he'll also do now. Positive attributes? I think I've said countless times how great he is and I even went insane there after the trade and thought I was a Wizards fan. That's how much I knew he meant to the franchise.

[Apz]

While publicly trashing him mind you. While claiming that AD of all players is more reliable than him.

This idea that Luka Doncic wasn't committed to winning as a Dallas Maverick is a false re-writing of history. I know that's popular in this country right now among some, but we really shouldn't just make stuff up to rail against. Luka was overweight at times. Luka also was among league leaders in minutes every year and dominated in the playoffs every year. To think he's just in it for money is laughable.

Why do you have to take political shots to make your point? Not necessary in this discussion IMO

You are 100% right that Nico claiming AD is more reliable is not only laughable, it's ridiculous, asinine, and shows he's not a competent GM. Luka was out of shape time after time, and it led to injuries in addition to his heavy minutes. Not to mention you could set your watch to him whining and barking at refs instead of getting back on D. My favorite Luka moment was when John Collins blew past him for a game winning shot and Luka barked and yelled at his teammate for it.

The public trashing was about as unprofessional and immature as it gets, but you dont think these convos were had with him throughout his tenure there? And he still came in out of shape? I didnt say he's only in it for the money, but its surely hsi main motivation. You think for a second he would have taken a discount deal like Brunson did for NY? No chance. If he wasnt willing to sacrifice certain foods and drinks and allot more gym time, doubt he'd give up a penny. But again, yeah, now he's Mr. Work Ethic, then and now

Copious amounts of money can buy being in shape and well-conditioned, with much less sacrifice than most of us have to do.

He’s getting max no matter what . What he really wants is revenge after the disrespect shown to him.

No he is not. He gets basicly a normal max, like 100m less. There is different kind of max

[mademan]

It's not so much about the money for Luka as it is him just never facing consequences for his poor habits. Guy could come in out of shape, drink post game beers and still be a top 5 player year in year out. This is the first time his bad habits caught up with him and he lost something (the supermax).

[jayjaysee]

Why do you have to take political shots to make your point? Not necessary in this discussion IMO

You are 100% right that Nico claiming AD is more reliable is not only laughable, it's ridiculous, asinine, and shows he's not a competent GM. Luka was out of shape time after time, and it led to injuries in addition to his heavy minutes. Not to mention you could set your watch to him whining and barking at refs instead of getting back on D. My favorite Luka moment was when John Collins blew past him for a game winning shot and Luka barked and yelled at his teammate for it.

The public trashing was about as unprofessional and immature as it gets, but you dont think these convos were had with him throughout his tenure there? And he still came in out of shape? I didnt say he's only in it for the money, but its surely hsi main motivation. You think for a second he would have taken a discount deal like Brunson did for NY? No chance. If he wasnt willing to sacrifice certain foods and drinks and allot more gym time, doubt he'd give up a penny. But again, yeah, now he's Mr. Work Ethic, then and now

Copious amounts of money can buy being in shape and well-conditioned, with much less sacrifice than most of us have to do.

He’s getting max no matter what . What he really wants is revenge after the disrespect shown to him.

No he is not. He gets basicly a normal max, like 100m less. There is different kind of max

He lost the guarantee of that money.. but he actually only lost 5% in 2026-2027 and 2027-2028.. Maybe I’m wrong?

But LA can give him a 2+1po at 35% starting in 2028-2029 right? and he’ll be short about 15-16 million dollars compared to staying in Dallas on the super max Dallas should have happily given him.

No state tax for 50~ games adds some more though.

(I say LAL adds another 2+1 versus a full 4-5 year max they could offer only to match up with what he should have got.. and it probably is smart to try to get another max at 32/33 versus 34/35… I am not counting years so just ballpark numbers.

[parsnips33]

I'm sure this is fully stretching the relatedness/relevance to the topic, but do people think Luka (or others, he's the most prominent off-season weight loss story) has been using GLPs like Ozempic to get to a target weight? Would a medical technology like this have seriously changed the course of someone like Shaq's career?

[giberish]

I'm sure this is fully stretching the relatedness/relevance to the topic, but do people think Luka (or others, he's the most prominent off-season weight loss story) has been using GLPs like Ozempic to get to a target weight? Would a medical technology like this have seriously changed the course of someone like Shaq's career?

From what I understand the side effects of Ozampic and such are significant and unpleasant. So even if it's helping you lose weight it's probably not helping you be in better shape. So I generally doubt it's a big deal.

I expect the main off season weight loss help is a private chef/dietician to get healthy food and regulate portion sizes. Combine that with the metabolism of an NBA player pretty actively working out and losing weight isn't that hard.

[Mavrelous]

Luka isn't using Ozempic, Shaq had no real problem controling his weight, he had mltivation problem to give a damn.

[Devilanche]

Never defended Nico, never will. He has made far more mistakes than any other current GM outside of maybe Dumars. And he got damn lucky Kuzma didnt want to come to Dallas, or the Mavs would have that bum at the expense of picks

But I'm not absolving Luka now or ever. Imagine constantly dealing with an insubordinate employee; it would be taxing on anyone, no matter how good the staff member is. A multi-millionaire athlete's job is to be in shape; he wasn't, he didn't care to, and I'm sure the team asked him about it time after time. Did it take away from him being great? No. WOuld it have prevented some of the injuries he has ben plagued with? No doubt

Luka was still a high performing member of Dallas . He’s not perfect but he contributed more than his fair share with very obvious flaws .

I don’t expect any workplace to have purely folks that are 100% performance or better .

Likewise , I don’t see you constantly ranting on the other non performing Dallas players.

[Devilanche]

Why do you have to take political shots to make your point? Not necessary in this discussion IMO

You are 100% right that Nico claiming AD is more reliable is not only laughable, it's ridiculous, asinine, and shows he's not a competent GM. Luka was out of shape time after time, and it led to injuries in addition to his heavy minutes. Not to mention you could set your watch to him whining and barking at refs instead of getting back on D. My favorite Luka moment was when John Collins blew past him for a game winning shot and Luka barked and yelled at his teammate for it.

The public trashing was about as unprofessional and immature as it gets, but you dont think these convos were had with him throughout his tenure there? And he still came in out of shape? I didnt say he's only in it for the money, but its surely hsi main motivation. You think for a second he would have taken a discount deal like Brunson did for NY? No chance. If he wasnt willing to sacrifice certain foods and drinks and allot more gym time, doubt he'd give up a penny. But again, yeah, now he's Mr. Work Ethic, then and now

Copious amounts of money can buy being in shape and well-conditioned, with much less sacrifice than most of us have to do.

He’s getting max no matter what . What he really wants is revenge after the disrespect shown to him.

No he is not. He gets basicly a normal max, like 100m less. There is different kind of max

I quoted the fact that someone believe Luka is getting in shape cause he wanted the max.

Once traded he lost the Dallas potential offer max no matter what shape or performance he got this year.

My point was that he’s getting the max when he sign next contract , whether that’s the Lakers possible max contract offer or some random 3rd team max.

I don’t believe he will be signing a 5-10million less than max offer cause that’s the best offer on the table for him.

[Apz]

He’s getting max no matter what . What he really wants is revenge after the disrespect shown to him.

No he is not. He gets basicly a normal max, like 100m less. There is different kind of max

I quoted the fact that someone believe Luka is getting in shape cause he wanted the max.

Once traded he lost the Dallas potential offer max no matter what shape or performance he got this year.

My point was that he’s getting the max when he sign next contract , whether that’s the Lakers possible max contract offer or some random 3rd team max.

I don’t believe he will be signing a 5-10million less than max offer cause that’s the best offer on the table for him.

Ofc. But if he wins relatively soon I find it more likely he moves back to spain. Dont think he is intrested in nbas backstabbing for the extra cash over playing basketball and having a nice life in iberia

[NYG]

I'm trying work this out, but can't land on the value...

Lauri to NOP
Zion to CHA
Fillers and CHA pick(s) to UTA

???

[Devilanche]

No he is not. He gets basicly a normal max, like 100m less. There is different kind of max

I quoted the fact that someone believe Luka is getting in shape cause he wanted the max.

Once traded he lost the Dallas potential offer max no matter what shape or performance he got this year.

My point was that he’s getting the max when he sign next contract , whether that’s the Lakers possible max contract offer or some random 3rd team max.

I don’t believe he will be signing a 5-10million less than max offer cause that’s the best offer on the table for him.

Ofc. But if he wins relatively soon I find it more likely he moves back to spain. Dont think he is intrested in nbas backstabbing for the extra cash over playing basketball and having a nice life in iberia

Potentially possible. He’s still young enough that he might want to prove he can win the NBA and the euro league multiple times.