Free Agency & Trades Thread 2 **NOW OPEN**

[Mattatron]

A real rebuild is easier in this type of market. If we had tanked after Barnes and taken picks for our assets we would look really good now. We could have overpaid in FA for players of IQ and Ingram's caliber and had better pick assets to build with.

The past four drafts have not been great. In fact, one of them was dreadful. High probability we would be worse off.

Picks that were offered were not good as well.

And what players could we have overpaid for?

"Picks that were offered were not good as well." Who says that ? In 2021 there were no trade talks surrounding fvv, siakam, og etc. It was known that NN and MU wanted to compete. The contract of each of them was good and tradeable and had lots of years left. And their value was at peak. MU started talks around 2023.
Without any doubt we would've been a more attractive team right now if we started the real full rebuild thru the draft after the day we picked @ #4 in 2021.

Every other team that was in the lottery with us back then looks more promising than we do.

[JB7]

A real rebuild is easier in this type of market. If we had tanked after Barnes and taken picks for our assets we would look really good now. We could have overpaid in FA for players of IQ and Ingram's caliber and had better pick assets to build with.

The past four drafts have not been great. In fact, one of them was dreadful. High probability we would be worse off.

Picks that were offered were not good as well.

And what players could we have overpaid for?

"Picks that were offered were not good as well." Who says that ? In 2021 there were no trade talks surrounding fvv, siakam, og etc. It was known that NN and MU wanted to compete. The contract of each of them was good and tradeable and had lots of years left. And their value was at peak. MU started talks around 2023.
Without any doubt we would've been a more attractive team right now if we started the real full rebuild thru the draft after the day we picked @ #4 in 2021.

Every other team that was in the lottery with us back then looks more promising than we do.

Everyone (teams and media) were expecting a tear down at the Scottie draft. They would have been lowballed with offers. Teams feast on those situations.

Masai held off to get better deals. OG was his greatest trade asset. Once he was moved, teams knew they were in the tear down.

So he waited for the best return on OG

[Los_29]

The past four drafts have not been great. In fact, one of them was dreadful. High probability we would be worse off.

Picks that were offered were not good as well.

And what players could we have overpaid for?

"Picks that were offered were not good as well." Who says that ? In 2021 there were no trade talks surrounding fvv, siakam, og etc. It was known that NN and MU wanted to compete. The contract of each of them was good and tradeable and had lots of years left. And their value was at peak. MU started talks around 2023.
Without any doubt we would've been a more attractive team right now if we started the real full rebuild thru the draft after the day we picked @ #4 in 2021.

Every other team that was in the lottery with us back then looks more promising than we do.

Everyone (teams and media) were expecting a tear down at the Scottie draft. They would have been lowballed with offers. Teams feast on those situations.

Masai held off to get better deals. OG was his greatest trade asset. Once he was moved, teams knew they were in the tear down.

So he waited for the best return on OG

And OG was just 24 years old. He’s a guy you’d keep in that situation. Pascal didn’t have much value at that point and I believe Fred was an upcoming FA.

[mihaic]

"Picks that were offered were not good as well." Who says that ? In 2021 there were no trade talks surrounding fvv, siakam, og etc. It was known that NN and MU wanted to compete. The contract of each of them was good and tradeable and had lots of years left. And their value was at peak. MU started talks around 2023.
Without any doubt we would've been a more attractive team right now if we started the real full rebuild thru the draft after the day we picked @ #4 in 2021.

Every other team that was in the lottery with us back then looks more promising than we do.

Everyone (teams and media) were expecting a tear down at the Scottie draft. They would have been lowballed with offers. Teams feast on those situations.

Masai held off to get better deals. OG was his greatest trade asset. Once he was moved, teams knew they were in the tear down.

So he waited for the best return on OG

And OG was just 24 years old. He’s a guy you’d keep in that situation. Pascal didn’t have much value at that point and I believe Fred was an upcoming FA.

OG wanted out, it was rumoured as early as the summer of Scottie's draft if I recall, we fans just didn't want to believe it.

[Saul Goodman]

If Sabonis wants a trade would you do this



Quickley
Barrett
2026 1st


For

Sabonis
Malik monk



Sabonis/poetl
Barnes/CMB/mamu
Ingram/Abaji
Dick/Walter
Monk/shead

[TNRaps4life]

If Sabonis wants a trade would you do this



Quickley
Barrett
2026 1st


For

Sabonis
Malik monk



Sabonis/poetl
Barnes/CMB/mamu
Ingram/Abaji
Dick/Walter
Monk/shead

Do that and get fired

[Los_29]

Everyone (teams and media) were expecting a tear down at the Scottie draft. They would have been lowballed with offers. Teams feast on those situations.

Masai held off to get better deals. OG was his greatest trade asset. Once he was moved, teams knew they were in the tear down.

So he waited for the best return on OG

And OG was just 24 years old. He’s a guy you’d keep in that situation. Pascal didn’t have much value at that point and I believe Fred was an upcoming FA.

OG wanted out, it was rumoured as early as the summer of Scottie's draft if I recall, we fans just didn't want to believe it.

If he wanted out he would’ve been traded a lot sooner. Scottie’s draft to when he was traded was nearly three years.

[ConSarnit]

A real rebuild is easier in this type of market. If we had tanked after Barnes and taken picks for our assets we would look really good now. We could have overpaid in FA for players of IQ and Ingram's caliber and had better pick assets to build with.

The past four drafts have not been great. In fact, one of them was dreadful. High probability we would be worse off.

Picks that were offered were not good as well.

And what players could we have overpaid for?

"Picks that were offered were not good as well." Who says that ? In 2021 there were no trade talks surrounding fvv, siakam, og etc. It was known that NN and MU wanted to compete. The contract of each of them was good and tradeable and had lots of years left. And their value was at peak. MU started talks around 2023.
Without any doubt we would've been a more attractive team right now if we started the real full rebuild thru the draft after the day we picked @ #4 in 2021.

Every other team that was in the lottery with us back then looks more promising than we do.

The 5 worst teams from 4 seasons ago:

OKC
HOU
DET
ORL
IND

Good thing we didn’t pivot to a tank and end up like the teams above.

[Thaddy]

The past four drafts have not been great. In fact, one of them was dreadful. High probability we would be worse off.

Picks that were offered were not good as well.

And what players could we have overpaid for?

"Picks that were offered were not good as well." Who says that ? In 2021 there were no trade talks surrounding fvv, siakam, og etc. It was known that NN and MU wanted to compete. The contract of each of them was good and tradeable and had lots of years left. And their value was at peak. MU started talks around 2023.
Without any doubt we would've been a more attractive team right now if we started the real full rebuild thru the draft after the day we picked @ #4 in 2021.

Every other team that was in the lottery with us back then looks more promising than we do.

The 5 worst teams from 4 seasons ago:

OKC
HOU
DET
ORL
IND

Good thing we didn’t pivot to a tank and end up like the teams above.

We went for a soft rebuild thinking we could skip the tanking process. We landed pretty well I'd say... Dick, Walter, CMB, and the others could still be top 5 players from their classes.

[Los_29]

The past four drafts have not been great. In fact, one of them was dreadful. High probability we would be worse off.

Picks that were offered were not good as well.

And what players could we have overpaid for?

"Picks that were offered were not good as well." Who says that ? In 2021 there were no trade talks surrounding fvv, siakam, og etc. It was known that NN and MU wanted to compete. The contract of each of them was good and tradeable and had lots of years left. And their value was at peak. MU started talks around 2023.
Without any doubt we would've been a more attractive team right now if we started the real full rebuild thru the draft after the day we picked @ #4 in 2021.

Every other team that was in the lottery with us back then looks more promising than we do.

The 5 worst teams from 4 seasons ago:

OKC
HOU
DET
ORL
IND

Good thing we didn’t pivot to a tank and end up like the teams above.

Detroit isn’t a good team. Indiana didn’t get better through the lottery but rather through trades. In fact they were seen as a treadmill team just last year. Orlando is in a weird spot because they tanked but didn’t end up with any high-end talent and traded all their picks for Bane. Houston has good young talent but didn’t draft any superstars. They turned their team around by signing guys like Fred and trading for KD. And OKC had SGA. Them being at the bottom of the league isn’t the reason for their turnaround.

[mihaic]

And OG was just 24 years old. He’s a guy you’d keep in that situation. Pascal didn’t have much value at that point and I believe Fred was an upcoming FA.

OG wanted out, it was rumoured as early as the summer of Scottie's draft if I recall, we fans just didn't want to believe it.

If he wanted out he would’ve been traded a lot sooner. Scottie’s draft to when he was traded was nearly three years.

2 and a half seasons.
You might be right, I think the rumour came out a year later and they countered by trying to run the attack through him (which failed miserably and they gave up after a few games). Perhaps they knew earlier but that would be speculation.

The point is they should have traded him at that point, when he asked out, not keep him for another 1.5 seasons.

[Los_29]

OG wanted out, it was rumoured as early as the summer of Scottie's draft if I recall, we fans just didn't want to believe it.

If he wanted out he would’ve been traded a lot sooner. Scottie’s draft to when he was traded was nearly three years.

2 and a half seasons.
You might be right, I think the rumour came out a year later and they countered by trying to run the attack through him (which failed miserably and they gave up after a few games). Perhaps they knew earlier but that would be speculation.

The point is they should have traded him at that point, when he asked out, not keep him for another 1.5 seasons.

I'm glad they didn't trade him a year earlier because the offers weren't as good. Even the Knicks offer was worse. Memphis was offering a bunch of horrible FRPs and that was seen as the best offer on the table.

[MessiahUjiri]

If Sabonis wants a trade would you do this



Quickley
Barrett
2026 1st


For

Sabonis
Malik monk



Sabonis/poetl
Barnes/CMB/mamu
Ingram/Abaji
Dick/Walter
Monk/shead

They will want Poeltl+ if they are sending out Sabonis.

Poeltl, Ingram, ‘26 1st, 2 2nds
for
Sabonis, Monk


Something like that is a Kings style deal.

[YogurtProducer]

"Picks that were offered were not good as well." Who says that ? In 2021 there were no trade talks surrounding fvv, siakam, og etc. It was known that NN and MU wanted to compete. The contract of each of them was good and tradeable and had lots of years left. And their value was at peak. MU started talks around 2023.
Without any doubt we would've been a more attractive team right now if we started the real full rebuild thru the draft after the day we picked @ #4 in 2021.

Every other team that was in the lottery with us back then looks more promising than we do.

The 5 worst teams from 4 seasons ago:

OKC
HOU
DET
ORL
IND

Good thing we didn’t pivot to a tank and end up like the teams above.

Detroit isn’t a good team. Indiana didn’t get better through the lottery but rather through trades. In fact they were seen as a treadmill team just last year. Orlando is in a weird spot because they tanked but didn’t end up with any high-end talent and traded all their picks for Bane. Houston has good young talent but didn’t draft any superstars. They turned their team around by signing guys like Fred and trading for KD. And OKC had SGA. Them being at the bottom of the league isn’t the reason for their turnaround.

Yeah almost like you need a TON of context to those 5 teams.

Not to mention, I am not even fully convinced DET/ORL/IND necessarily is a lock to have better next 5 years than we are.

[youngRAPZ]

If Sabonis wants a trade would you do this



Quickley
Barrett
2026 1st


For

Sabonis
Malik monk



Sabonis/poetl
Barnes/CMB/mamu
Ingram/Abaji
Dick/Walter
Monk/shead

They will want Poeltl+ if they are sending out Sabonis.

Poeltl, Ingram, ‘26 1st, 2 2nds
for
Sabonis, Monk


Something like that is a Kings style deal.

What? lol Jak and BI for Sabonis???


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[OAKLEY_2]

Nothing is going to happen until players with newer deals like Jrue Holiday become available during the season. Raps will likely keep Barrett and move off IQ's longer duration contract. Agbaji was return on Siakam so throwing him away makes zero sense. Nothing wrong with IQ but Raps need to fix their openly ridiculed overpays.

[OAKLEY_2]

Then again Holiday saves the Raps a mere 32 mil. Holiday-Lillard is an expensive duo.

[DreamTeam09]

Nothing is going to happen until players with newer deals like Jrue Holiday become available during the season. Raps will likely keep Barrett and move off IQ's longer duration contract. Agbaji was return on Siakam so throwing him away makes zero sense. Nothing wrong with IQ but Raps need to fix their openly ridiculed overpays.

To appease whom? Media blogs, pundits, and online banter who aren't going to be on the Raptors side for the most part regardless?
If there's nothing wrong with him why would we get rid of him?

[OAKLEY_2]

Nothing is going to happen until players with newer deals like Jrue Holiday become available during the season. Raps will likely keep Barrett and move off IQ's longer duration contract. Agbaji was return on Siakam so throwing him away makes zero sense. Nothing wrong with IQ but Raps need to fix their openly ridiculed overpays.

To appease whom? Media blogs, pundits, and online banter who aren't going to be on the Raptors side for the most part regardless?
If there's nothing wrong with him why would we get rid of him?

Ain't broke don't fix it. I get it. Is your major concern Rogers wants win now moves ("appease" Rogers impatience) and that will make things worse? Cannot see Bobby doing that. I remember some ex gm, not Bobby Marks but someone saying to Sam Vecenie the IQ deal was a travesty. That surprised me. The basic message was that at this stage of a rebuild it was an ill advised financial move. That was the only knock against the Raps. Vecenie is always commenting about who compliments Scottie Barnes and non shooters don't cut it but... IQ is a shooter. Those guys can often overhype draftee potential.

[djsunyc]

The past four drafts have not been great. In fact, one of them was dreadful. High probability we would be worse off.

Picks that were offered were not good as well.

And what players could we have overpaid for?

"Picks that were offered were not good as well." Who says that ? In 2021 there were no trade talks surrounding fvv, siakam, og etc. It was known that NN and MU wanted to compete. The contract of each of them was good and tradeable and had lots of years left. And their value was at peak. MU started talks around 2023.
Without any doubt we would've been a more attractive team right now if we started the real full rebuild thru the draft after the day we picked @ #4 in 2021.

Every other team that was in the lottery with us back then looks more promising than we do.

The 5 worst teams from 4 seasons ago:

OKC
HOU
DET
ORL
IND

Good thing we didn’t pivot to a tank and end up like the teams above.