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2025-26 Lineup Thread -- How's it shakin out?

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Re: 2025-26 Lineup Thread -- How's it shakin out? 

Post#381 » by doclinkin » Yesterday 2:09 am

dckingsfan wrote:I think you are going to see something different than what you expect (IMO). I think you will see Whitmore getting minutes because he is so darn strong and has pretty quick hands. He is going to be playing like someone possessed to prove he deserved more minutes in Houston.


This is my hope. That he becomes an offensive driver of the team, and picks up his focus on the defensive end. He is saying the right things, and for a stretch late in the season was showing better energy on that side of the ball.

I see Whitmore, George and Coulibaly splitting minutes when Coulibaly is healthy. And I see that because Whitmore can play in the post better (at this time). I also see George as a secondary or probably tertiary ball handler (I don't think that keeps him on the court per se). I could see all three averaging mid-20 minutes. I can see any of the three playing next to each other. But when Sarr is the lone big on the court - I think you will see more Whitmore


“Better in the post” on offense or defense? Because he blocks fewer shots than George or Bilal, shorter wingspan, and despite the advantage in strength only snatches one more board per 100 possessions than George.

The tunnel vision thing is real though. On both ends. In that same 100 possessions Cam takes 25 shots. It was the reason his college coach knocked him before the draft, and the reason Udoka gave up on him. It messes with unity and a team scheme. A portion of his steals are not from on ball pressure but from jumping the passing routes, which puts him out of position if his gamble fails. That stresses the defense of everyone else on court. Is the opposite of what this front office has tried to recruit with getting players who are long for their position, so they can switch and not have to work so hard to cover ground. If you jump out of the pattern everyone else has to shift to adjust.

Coach BK benched Poole for similar patterns, and when he came back JP gave better effort at both ends. Ime Udoka is a better X's and O's coach than Keefe, though Keefe may be better at player development and locker room chemistry, I dunno. Hopefully he reaches Whit on this score. To do so though he may need examples and role models.

Kyshawn plays better team ball, better defense; Whitmore is a pure scorer, elite athlete. Depends what the team is emphasizing. So far it looks like BK lands on the defense part of the equation, or defensive effort anyway if not results. If PT is determined by defensive hustle Kyshawn was among the league leaders:

Just outside the Top 10 in contested 3pt shots, league wide. In a grouping with Dyson Daniels, Siakam, and Derrick White.

Just outside the top 30 in overall contested shots. Behind Daniel Gafford. The majority of the guys who lead this category are Centers and inside players, the top 15 are C's and F/C's. Kyshawn was a perimeter player but managed to scrap his way into this group.

To emphasize it, thats not among rookies, that's all stars and all NBA defensive types. Pretty good for a first year player.
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Re: 2025-26 Lineup Thread -- How's it shakin out? 

Post#382 » by doclinkin » Yesterday 1:18 pm

Ultimately I think what determines whether Cam plays is not if he is on court with Sarr, but if he is next to Tre Johnson. The team is going to want the ball in the hands of their star guard. For good reason. Playing Tre (29% usage) next to Cam (25% usage) means one or the other is dribbling the hell out of the ball, or standing around waiting for it. Not a recipe for open shots and smart team play. But if they stagger the two and sub for each other, then you always have an offensive threat to keep the defense on their heels. Just a thought.
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Post#383 » by doclinkin » Yesterday 1:50 pm

Whitmore realistic scenario: He improves incrementally in most aspects of his game and ends up playing more PF than SF. His defense continues to improve but he still retains the tunnel vision label on offense.


To my way of thinking at PF Cam is defensively overmatched. Conversely against wing players he's a potential nightmare for defenses. Why I want to see him as a strong guard. He plays face-in anyway.

I mean this is a guard, right?



Swingman really.

The only thing he does not do as a guard is pass or set up his teammates. Who cares. Let him play the 'shoot' part of shooting guard. Move to get open, then attack as soon as he touches the ball. Let someone else decide when to pass to him. That way you simplify the game to what he does best.

That seems to be the operating mode of how this team tries to develop guys. They literally ask players "what do you do that got you to the league?" then have them focus on that first. Cam is a load on offense. Too strong to stop for any wing player. Why mess with that.

That and they like to draft and play guys at the position where they are bigger than the opponent. They try Kispert out at guard but he has no shot creation skills. Whitmore does. At guard he’s a baby Antman.

The only question then to me is who he has chemistry next to. Long term I’d love to see if Tre Johnson can carry minutes at lead guard and playmaker. In the SGA role as tall initiator at point.



Then we could look like:

6’6” Tre/6’4” Bub
6’7” Whitmore/6’8” Bilal
6’9” Kyshawn/Bilal
6’10” Cam Boozer
7’ Sarr

Or Sarr at PF and a skilled strong intimidator at C.
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Re: 2025-26 Lineup Thread -- How's it shakin out? 

Post#384 » by dckingsfan » Yesterday 4:25 pm

Since this is this year's lineup thread...

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Player               Ht      Wt
CJ McCollum          6'3"    190
AJ Johnson           6'4"    160
Bub Carrington       6'4"    190
Malaki Branham       6'4"    180
Dillon Jones         6'5"    240
Justin Champagnie    6'6"    200
Anthony Gill         6'7"    230
Jamir Watkins        6'7"   
Corey Kispert        6'7"    220
Kyshawn George       6'7"    200
Khris Middleton      6'7"    222
Cam Whitmore         6'7"    232
Will Riley           6'8"   
Bilal Coulibaly      6'8"    195
Tristan Vukcevic     6'10"   223
Marvin Bagley III    6'10"   235
Alex Sarr            7'0"    205


Clearly McCollum, AJ, Bub and Branham are guards. Champagnie, Gill (arguable but doesn't matter), Watkins, Kispert, George, Middleton, Whitmore (I guess arguable but I see no way he is going to be taking minutes at guard (IMO)), Riley and Coulibaly are wings. Vuk, Bagley and Sarr are bigs.

None of our current wings are really prepared to guard the PF position (unless you drop Sarr into that position).

The point? It probably doesn't matter who you want to play SF/PF, that group is going to really struggle in that role (realistic outcome).

My guess is that Keefe's marching orders will be to play the youngsters again. Given that - I think Whitmore & George will both have their shots at playing SF & PF (although George has filled out I am guessing he isn't 210 yet). When Bilal comes back, I think we will see him more at SF (you don't want him to get pounded on given his recent injury history).

But the previous post points out that we are heavy on wings and light on PF/bigs (and maybe guards). Look for some trades to happen next season when we really want to compete.
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Re: 2025-26 Lineup Thread -- How's it shakin out? 

Post#385 » by doclinkin » Yesterday 5:22 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Since this is this year's lineup thread...

Code: Select all

Player               Ht      Wt
CJ McCollum          6'3"    190
AJ Johnson           6'4"    160
Bub Carrington       6'4"    190
Malaki Branham       6'4"    180
Justin Champagnie    6'6"    200
Anthony Gill         6'7"    230
Jamir Watkins        6'7"   
Corey Kispert        6'7"    220
Kyshawn George       6'7"    200
Khris Middleton      6'7"    222
Cam Whitmore         6'7"    232
Will Riley           6'8"   
Bilal Coulibaly      6'8"    195
Tristan Vukcevic     6'10"   223
Marvin Bagley III    6'10"   235
Alex Sarr            7'0"    205



Plus Dillon Jones. 6’5” but power forward weight.

First. Thanks for helping me procrastinate. Even though I’m procrastinating from writing a chapter of my zombie apocalypse story, which should be fun. Even that story is procrastinating writing a chapter of a different story that has bumped into a wall for a minute. Brain too busy. Plus I have to go talk to some artists for work. But anyway. One more thought before I go.

Mostly I agree with you and am more thinking ahead for when we do want to win. I want to play guys in the role I envision them in the future not cram them where they don’t fit to learn skills that don’t match.

This year I think by design we have given up defending the post. I expect we will see a consolidation trade at some point for slightly better team balance. But losing with a hole in the middle is part of how we’re ensuring that high pick.

But if we are packing guys into a role, I bet it will be role players we see there. Not the skill guys.

Ballhandlers.
CJ
Bub
AJJ
Riley?

Wing Scorers.
Tre
Middleton
Slam Whitmore
Kispert
Branham (probable cut)

Defenders
Bilal
Kyshawn
Sarr
Watkins?

Utility players. Hustle and boards.
Champagnie
Bags
Gill
Dillon Jones.

Specialists
Vuk. Stretch big.

I don’t see a log jam at lead guard. Or at 2 guard. We will try to ship CJ for value and a big contract. At that point Bub is our only real set up man all. If CJ is moved then we will need TJ as our primary initiator. Instead of / in relief of Bub.

They’ve playtested AJJ and Kyshawn there, to subpar results. I’d bet Riley gets a look but they’ll want to give him extended minutes on the GoGo early to show he can do it.

That opens up room at 2 guard. Where we pretty much only have Tre as a pure shooter. Long term.

Like CJ, Middleton will be showcased for sale. Kispert has shown he can’t do it. Cam has shown he absolutely can. Long term it’s where he’s a size mismatch. Get him run at the spot so he can develop chemistry. Same way they’ve tried out Bilal in the spot. Kyshawn too.

I like Watkins and Champagnie as stealth candidates to earn minutes here. I also think from a +/- standpoint they might mess with our tank. But whatever.

In the case of Champagnie, he has proven good enough to play as a default front court player. Rebounder. If you’re playing extra 2/3 types, JC has shown he’ll make it work.

At forward they like to play long perimeter defenders. That’s why this crew has been drafted. History shows when they can play 2 or more at a time they do so. Thats the team they’re trying to build.

Sarr will play too many minutes, if healthy. He’s a Big but an all-court defender. Is not banging with the bigs as much. So far one of Bilal or Kyshawn is generally on court at all times. Didn’t matter if that’s 2/3/4. I think they’ll try out the long armed Watkins in the Bilal spot for a few minutes while he’s out. Watkins is one of those versatile players who plays bigger than his size. If he’s up from the G league I bet it’s because he’s showing up in this role.

So essentially at the other front court spot I bet we see Bags. JC. Gill. Dillon Jones. Vukcevic. And a revolving door of G league types.

I don’t doubt we play 5 out and Cam sometimes occupies the spot. It’s just not where I want to see him get steady run. Especially on Defense.

Ok. I go now. Line-up thoughts are like meat to a leopard for me is all.

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