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Re: 2025-26 Lineup Thread -- How's it shakin out? 

Post#381 » by doclinkin » Sun Sep 14, 2025 2:09 am

dckingsfan wrote:I think you are going to see something different than what you expect (IMO). I think you will see Whitmore getting minutes because he is so darn strong and has pretty quick hands. He is going to be playing like someone possessed to prove he deserved more minutes in Houston.


This is my hope. That he becomes an offensive driver of the team, and picks up his focus on the defensive end. He is saying the right things, and for a stretch late in the season was showing better energy on that side of the ball.

I see Whitmore, George and Coulibaly splitting minutes when Coulibaly is healthy. And I see that because Whitmore can play in the post better (at this time). I also see George as a secondary or probably tertiary ball handler (I don't think that keeps him on the court per se). I could see all three averaging mid-20 minutes. I can see any of the three playing next to each other. But when Sarr is the lone big on the court - I think you will see more Whitmore


“Better in the post” on offense or defense? Because he blocks fewer shots than George or Bilal, shorter wingspan, and despite the advantage in strength only snatches one more board per 100 possessions than George.

The tunnel vision thing is real though. On both ends. In that same 100 possessions Cam takes 25 shots. It was the reason his college coach knocked him before the draft, and the reason Udoka gave up on him. It messes with unity and a team scheme. A portion of his steals are not from on ball pressure but from jumping the passing routes, which puts him out of position if his gamble fails. That stresses the defense of everyone else on court. Is the opposite of what this front office has tried to recruit with getting players who are long for their position, so they can switch and not have to work so hard to cover ground. If you jump out of the pattern everyone else has to shift to adjust.

Coach BK benched Poole for similar patterns, and when he came back JP gave better effort at both ends. Ime Udoka is a better X's and O's coach than Keefe, though Keefe may be better at player development and locker room chemistry, I dunno. Hopefully he reaches Whit on this score. To do so though he may need examples and role models.

Kyshawn plays better team ball, better defense; Whitmore is a pure scorer, elite athlete. Depends what the team is emphasizing. So far it looks like BK lands on the defense part of the equation, or defensive effort anyway if not results. If PT is determined by defensive hustle Kyshawn was among the league leaders:

Just outside the Top 10 in contested 3pt shots, league wide. In a grouping with Dyson Daniels, Siakam, and Derrick White.

Just outside the top 30 in overall contested shots. Behind Daniel Gafford. The majority of the guys who lead this category are Centers and inside players, the top 15 are C's and F/C's. Kyshawn was a perimeter player but managed to scrap his way into this group.

To emphasize it, thats not among rookies, that's all stars and all NBA defensive types. Pretty good for a first year player.
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Post#382 » by doclinkin » Sun Sep 14, 2025 1:18 pm

Ultimately I think what determines whether Cam plays is not if he is on court with Sarr, but if he is next to Tre Johnson. The team is going to want the ball in the hands of their star guard. For good reason. Playing Tre (29% usage) next to Cam (25% usage) means one or the other is dribbling the hell out of the ball, or standing around waiting for it. Not a recipe for open shots and smart team play. But if they stagger the two and sub for each other, then you always have an offensive threat to keep the defense on their heels. Just a thought.
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Post#383 » by doclinkin » Sun Sep 14, 2025 1:50 pm

Whitmore realistic scenario: He improves incrementally in most aspects of his game and ends up playing more PF than SF. His defense continues to improve but he still retains the tunnel vision label on offense.


To my way of thinking at PF Cam is defensively overmatched. Conversely against wing players he's a potential nightmare for defenses. Why I want to see him as a strong guard. He plays face-in anyway.

I mean this is a guard, right?



Swingman really.

The only thing he does not do as a guard is pass or set up his teammates. Who cares. Let him play the 'shoot' part of shooting guard. Move to get open, then attack as soon as he touches the ball. Let someone else decide when to pass to him. That way you simplify the game to what he does best.

That seems to be the operating mode of how this team tries to develop guys. They literally ask players "what do you do that got you to the league?" then have them focus on that first. Cam is a load on offense. Too strong to stop for any wing player. Why mess with that.

That and they like to draft and play guys at the position where they are bigger than the opponent. They try Kispert out at guard but he has no shot creation skills. Whitmore does. At guard he’s a baby Antman.

The only question then to me is who he has chemistry next to. Long term I’d love to see if Tre Johnson can carry minutes at lead guard and playmaker. In the SGA role as tall initiator at point.



Then we could look like:

6’6” Tre/6’4” Bub
6’7” Whitmore/6’8” Bilal
6’9” Kyshawn/Bilal
6’10” Cam Boozer
7’ Sarr

Or Sarr at PF and a skilled strong intimidator at C.
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Post#384 » by dckingsfan » Sun Sep 14, 2025 4:25 pm

Since this is this year's lineup thread...

Code: Select all

Player               Ht      Wt
CJ McCollum          6'3"    190
AJ Johnson           6'4"    160
Bub Carrington       6'4"    190
Malaki Branham       6'4"    180
Dillon Jones         6'5"    240
Justin Champagnie    6'6"    200
Anthony Gill         6'7"    230
Jamir Watkins        6'7"   
Corey Kispert        6'7"    220
Kyshawn George       6'7"    200
Khris Middleton      6'7"    222
Cam Whitmore         6'7"    232
Will Riley           6'8"   
Bilal Coulibaly      6'8"    195
Tristan Vukcevic     6'10"   223
Marvin Bagley III    6'10"   235
Alex Sarr            7'0"    205


Clearly McCollum, AJ, Bub and Branham are guards. Champagnie, Gill (arguable but doesn't matter), Watkins, Kispert, George, Middleton, Whitmore (I guess arguable but I see no way he is going to be taking minutes at guard (IMO)), Riley and Coulibaly are wings. Vuk, Bagley and Sarr are bigs.

None of our current wings are really prepared to guard the PF position (unless you drop Sarr into that position).

The point? It probably doesn't matter who you want to play SF/PF, that group is going to really struggle in that role (realistic outcome).

My guess is that Keefe's marching orders will be to play the youngsters again. Given that - I think Whitmore & George will both have their shots at playing SF & PF (although George has filled out I am guessing he isn't 210 yet). When Bilal comes back, I think we will see him more at SF (you don't want him to get pounded on given his recent injury history).

But the previous post points out that we are heavy on wings and light on PF/bigs (and maybe guards). Look for some trades to happen next season when we really want to compete.
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Post#385 » by doclinkin » Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:22 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Since this is this year's lineup thread...

Code: Select all

Player               Ht      Wt
CJ McCollum          6'3"    190
AJ Johnson           6'4"    160
Bub Carrington       6'4"    190
Malaki Branham       6'4"    180
Justin Champagnie    6'6"    200
Anthony Gill         6'7"    230
Jamir Watkins        6'7"   
Corey Kispert        6'7"    220
Kyshawn George       6'7"    200
Khris Middleton      6'7"    222
Cam Whitmore         6'7"    232
Will Riley           6'8"   
Bilal Coulibaly      6'8"    195
Tristan Vukcevic     6'10"   223
Marvin Bagley III    6'10"   235
Alex Sarr            7'0"    205



Plus Dillon Jones. 6’5” but power forward weight.

First. Thanks for helping me procrastinate. Even though I’m procrastinating from writing a chapter of my zombie apocalypse story, which should be fun. Even that story is procrastinating writing a chapter of a different story that has bumped into a wall for a minute. Brain too busy. Plus I have to go talk to some artists for work. But anyway. One more thought before I go.

Mostly I agree with you and am more thinking ahead for when we do want to win. I want to play guys in the role I envision them in the future not cram them where they don’t fit to learn skills that don’t match.

This year I think by design we have given up defending the post. I expect we will see a consolidation trade at some point for slightly better team balance. But losing with a hole in the middle is part of how we’re ensuring that high pick.

But if we are packing guys into a role, I bet it will be role players we see there. Not the skill guys.

Ballhandlers.
CJ
Bub
AJJ
Riley?

Wing Scorers.
Tre
Middleton
Slam Whitmore
Kispert
Branham (probable cut)

Defenders
Bilal
Kyshawn
Sarr
Watkins?

Utility players. Hustle and boards.
Champagnie
Bags
Gill
Dillon Jones.

Specialists
Vuk. Stretch big.

I don’t see a log jam at lead guard. Or at 2 guard. We will try to ship CJ for value and a big contract. At that point Bub is our only real set up man all. If CJ is moved then we will need TJ as our primary initiator. Instead of / in relief of Bub.

They’ve playtested AJJ and Kyshawn there, to subpar results. I’d bet Riley gets a look but they’ll want to give him extended minutes on the GoGo early to show he can do it.

That opens up room at 2 guard. Where we pretty much only have Tre as a pure shooter. Long term.

Like CJ, Middleton will be showcased for sale. Kispert has shown he can’t do it. Cam has shown he absolutely can. Long term it’s where he’s a size mismatch. Get him run at the spot so he can develop chemistry. Same way they’ve tried out Bilal in the spot. Kyshawn too.

I like Watkins and Champagnie as stealth candidates to earn minutes here. I also think from a +/- standpoint they might mess with our tank. But whatever.

In the case of Champagnie, he has proven good enough to play as a default front court player. Rebounder. If you’re playing extra 2/3 types, JC has shown he’ll make it work.

At forward they like to play long perimeter defenders. That’s why this crew has been drafted. History shows when they can play 2 or more at a time they do so. Thats the team they’re trying to build.

Sarr will play too many minutes, if healthy. He’s a Big but an all-court defender. Is not banging with the bigs as much. So far one of Bilal or Kyshawn is generally on court at all times. Didn’t matter if that’s 2/3/4. I think they’ll try out the long armed Watkins in the Bilal spot for a few minutes while he’s out. Watkins is one of those versatile players who plays bigger than his size. If he’s up from the G league I bet it’s because he’s showing up in this role.

So essentially at the other front court spot I bet we see Bags. JC. Gill. Dillon Jones. Vukcevic. And a revolving door of G league types.

I don’t doubt we play 5 out and Cam sometimes occupies the spot. It’s just not where I want to see him get steady run. Especially on Defense.

Ok. I go now. Line-up thoughts are like meat to a leopard for me is all.
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Re: 2025-26 Lineup Thread -- How's it shakin out? 

Post#386 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Thu Sep 18, 2025 1:59 am

I'm starting to think we could actually roll out this season with the young guns.

I think there is going to be interest in seeing if Bub can handle the point full time, and to see what Tre can do sooner rather than later, and if he can shoulder the scoring load from the jump. As well as just what kind of chemistry can develop between these 2 as a backcourt pairing.

In the same vein, I think they are very high right now on Kyshawn. He has that all-around game, that glue piece that teams need that makes him hard to keep off the floor. His ability to slow the pace and add a calming presence, his passing, his D, his shooting. And I think they also want to see what they have in Cam, and the intrigue of what these 2 could look like togther.

I can see a starting 5 of Bub, Tre, Cam, Kyshawn, Sarr.

A 2nd unit could then be CJ, Kispert, Champagnie, Middleton, Bagley.

Let the youth start and set the tone and pace with energy and swagger. Bring in the vets off the bench to stabilize. Additionally, we want to facilitate the ability to move CJ, Kispert, Middleton in trade. This role puts them in position to play less minutes to reduce the wear and tear and allow them to stay healthy , and rested. Playing with fresh legs, combined with playing against backups will allow them to look good and play good, and play efficient, to showcase them in the best possible light to entice other teams interest. Especially Kispert, if he can come in and space the floor at a high clip from 3. CJ scoring efficiently and racking up stats running the 2nd unit. Middleton handling the frontcourt scoring opportunities while Bagley and Champagnie do all the dirty work.
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Post#387 » by doclinkin » Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:52 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I can see a starting 5 of Bub, Tre, Cam, Kyshawn, Sarr.

A 2nd unit could then be CJ, Kispert, Champagnie, Middleton, Bagley.

Let the youth start and set the tone and pace with energy and swagger. Bring in the vets off the bench to stabilize. Additionally, we want to facilitate the ability to move CJ, Kispert, Middleton in trade. This role puts them in position to play less minutes to reduce the wear and tear and allow them to stay healthy , and rested. Playing with fresh legs, combined with playing against backups will allow them to look good and play good, and play efficient, to showcase them in the best possible light to entice other teams interest. Especially Kispert, if he can come in and space the floor at a high clip from 3. CJ scoring efficiently and racking up stats running the 2nd unit. Middleton handling the frontcourt scoring opportunities while Bagley and Champagnie do all the dirty work.


I think you could be exactly right. And i’m here for it. You want a glimpse at the future. Chemistry developing over time. Heavy minutes for young players. Keeping the vets in the best light.

Makes the 3rd team practice squad

AJJ
Riley
Jamir / Dillon Jones
Gill
Vukcevic

Which actually looks like there could be synergy in how they play. Or anyway enough to make it interesting when running drills.
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Post#388 » by payitforward » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:47 pm

Doc, at this point Cam Whitmore has not -- not remotely! -- demonstrated that he is a long-term productive NBA player. Reward his inefficient offense & bad defense with a starting job, & you pretty much insure that he'll never become one. Terrible idea.

Moreover, we do *not* want Tre & Cam on the floor at the same time -- not before some significant development by one or both of them. There would simply not be enough connectivity on offense, & neither has shown to be a plus defender (the opposite, if anything).

Champagnie -- who, right now, is by far the best-performing, most productive player on our team -- should certainly start at one of the F spots. Good coaching rewards guys for their performance; it doesn't slot them based on whether/where they were drafted.

Above all, having both Tre & Justin in the starting lineup is compelling. One's a volume scorer; the other is opportunistic as a scorer & extremely solid on ball control & connectivity.

Things can change in camp, of course, & we'd have to see how it worked out, but that looks like it might well be the most synergistic 2-player combo on our squad.

Bub would be the other starter at guard. & I'm happy with Ky & Sarr rounding out the starting 5.

I'm thinking that CJ & Cam might play a lot of their minutes together. That way we pair Whitmore with another scoring threat. Which also might offer an opportunity to get minutes for Jamir Watkins, who can concentrate on defense & ball control. Bagley seeing a lot of his minutes with those two guys would also make sense.

Just a few thoughts...
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Post#389 » by doclinkin » Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:03 pm

payitforward wrote:Doc, at this point Cam Whitmore has not -- not remotely! -- demonstrated that he is a long-term productive NBA player. Reward his inefficient offense & bad defense with a starting job, & you pretty much insure that he'll never become one. Terrible idea.

Moreover, we do *not* want Tre & Cam on the floor at the same time -- not before some significant development by one or both of them. There would simply not be enough connectivity on offense, & neither has shown to be a plus defender (the opposite, if anything).

Champagnie -- who, right now, is by far the best-performing, most productive player on our team -- should certainly start at one of the F spots. Good coaching rewards guys for their performance; it doesn't slot them based on whether/where they were drafted.


Response in the form of questions.

Are we trying to win this year?

How much more development do you forecast for Justin before he’s a good player? Is there a larger gap between his talent and his projected potential (athletic numbers, etc) than there is for Cam Whitmore?

Also. Reference Deni whose confidence was stifled in part by inconstant minutes and benching. This front office guaranteed him starting time and put him in a role for which he was suited. Cam has followed a similar path. Produced better when given extended minutes. Played better defense even. Likely there’s a tail wagging the dog effect there. Which speaks to your point. But worth it to find out? Me I trust Keefe to motivate young players. Figure how best to guide them.

Check also Sarr and Bub and George who have not been remotely good, but with guaranteed playing time have been showing signs of steady development. Why the double standard for Cam?

Whereas JC has been good whether he started or not. In fact too good since we played significantly better with him in Kuzmas minutes. And lost our top lotto/last place position.

Next: look once more at the scouting videos of the guys at the top of the lotto. Enticing. Then look backwards at the times the Wiz/Bullets have missed a guy by one slot. Sad.

Now ask yourself what helps us best? JC being rewarded for winning play by being ‘guaranteed’ PT? Or. Us doubling down on development, knowing JC is going to be good no matter where and how much he plays.

Keep your eyes on the horizon my friend we still have an ocean of sailing.
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Post#390 » by dckingsfan » Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:08 pm

The last few posts are really good insights into what could happen. I guess the questions is what does Dawkins want in different parts of the season?

Display the vets for trades?
Let Tre see if he can bring in the ROY?
Evaluate the SFs on the team to see which should be moved to clear the log-jam?
Display some of those SFs for trades this season?
See if Sarr can play PF?
Win more games now?
Become more competitive defensively?

I think we will see different lineups as the season progresses around the questions that Dawkins wants answered.

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Post#391 » by payitforward » Thu Sep 18, 2025 9:07 pm

doclinkin wrote:
payitforward wrote:Doc, at this point Cam Whitmore has not -- not remotely! -- demonstrated that he is a long-term productive NBA player. Reward his inefficient offense & bad defense with a starting job, & you pretty much insure that he'll never become one. Terrible idea.

Moreover, we do *not* want Tre & Cam on the floor at the same time -- not before some significant development by one or both of them. There would simply not be enough connectivity on offense, & neither has shown to be a plus defender (the opposite, if anything).

Champagnie -- who, right now, is by far the best-performing, most productive player on our team -- should certainly start at one of the F spots. Good coaching rewards guys for their performance; it doesn't slot them based on whether/where they were drafted.


Response in the form of questions.

Are we trying to win this year?

How much more development do you forecast for Justin before he’s a good player? Is there a larger gap between his talent and his projected potential (athletic numbers, etc) than there is for Cam Whitmore?

Also. Reference Deni whose confidence was stifled in part by inconstant minutes and benching. This front office guaranteed him starting time and put him in a role for which he was suited. Cam has followed a similar path. Produced better when given extended minutes. Played better defense even. Likely there’s a tail wagging the dog effect there. Which speaks to your point. But worth it to find out? Me I trust Keefe to motivate young players. Figure how best to guide them.

Check also Sarr and Bub and George who have not been remotely good, but with guaranteed playing time have been showing signs of steady development. Why the double standard for Cam?

Whereas JC has been good whether he started or not. In fact too good since we played significantly better with him in Kuzmas minutes. And lost our top lotto/last place position.

Next: look once more at the scouting videos of the guys at the top of the lotto. Enticing. Then look backwards at the times the Wiz/Bullets have missed a guy by one slot. Sad.

Now ask yourself what helps us best? JC being rewarded for winning play by being ‘guaranteed’ PT? Or. Us doubling down on development, knowing JC is going to be good no matter where and how much he plays. ...


1. I don't know what Justin's ceiling is, though at 24 there's no reason he can't get meaningfully better yet in the next couple of years.
2. The larger the gap between potential & performance the better? Come on, doc. Nor am I putting Cam down. If he earns a starting spot in training camp, sure!
3. Nothing about Deni has any relevance to Cam. You know that.
4. Almost 20,000 minutes in a season. No problem giving everybody all the time they should get (& you bet it's Keefe who decides not me! :) ).
5. We have more invested in Ky & Bub than in Cam, but you're still right -- everyone earns PT based on camp, practice, & in-game performance. Except that all the young are preferred over the few vets for obvious reasons. OTOH, here we are discussing the issue in advance of those metrics. In any case, based on the metric of performance, there's no question Justin (still only 24) starts.


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Post#392 » by AFM » Thu Sep 18, 2025 9:49 pm

Go off course? This team went full steam ahead into an iceberg with C4 strapped to the hull when they traded Deni Avdija. It's over now.
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Post#393 » by payitforward » Thu Sep 18, 2025 10:01 pm

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Post#394 » by popper » Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:22 am

This page blows my mind. Too many variables. The Poole / Kuzma era was much easier to comprehend.
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Post#395 » by payitforward » Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:32 am

popper -- no worries! Just start typing, & by the 3d sentence you'll figure out what you need to say! Works for doc & me.... :)
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Post#396 » by dckingsfan » Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:38 am

AFM wrote:Go off course? This team went full steam ahead into an iceberg with C4 strapped to the hull when they traded Deni Avdija signed Kuzma and Kispert. It's over now.

Green font is your friend, LOL.
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Post#397 » by payitforward » Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:41 am

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Post#398 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:27 am

doclinkin wrote:
payitforward wrote:Doc, at this point Cam Whitmore has not -- not remotely! -- demonstrated that he is a long-term productive NBA player. Reward his inefficient offense & bad defense with a starting job, & you pretty much insure that he'll never become one. Terrible idea.

Moreover, we do *not* want Tre & Cam on the floor at the same time -- not before some significant development by one or both of them. There would simply not be enough connectivity on offense, & neither has shown to be a plus defender (the opposite, if anything).

Champagnie -- who, right now, is by far the best-performing, most productive player on our team -- should certainly start at one of the F spots. Good coaching rewards guys for their performance; it doesn't slot them based on whether/where they were drafted.


Response in the form of questions.

Are we trying to win this year?

How much more development do you forecast for Justin before he’s a good player? Is there a larger gap between his talent and his projected potential (athletic numbers, etc) than there is for Cam Whitmore?

Also. Reference Deni whose confidence was stifled in part by inconstant minutes and benching. This front office guaranteed him starting time and put him in a role for which he was suited. Cam has followed a similar path. Produced better when given extended minutes. Played better defense even. Likely there’s a tail wagging the dog effect there. Which speaks to your point. But worth it to find out? Me I trust Keefe to motivate young players. Figure how best to guide them.

Check also Sarr and Bub and George who have not been remotely good, but with guaranteed playing time have been showing signs of steady development. Why the double standard for Cam?

Whereas JC has been good whether he started or not. In fact too good since we played significantly better with him in Kuzmas minutes. And lost our top lotto/last place position.

Next: look once more at the scouting videos of the guys at the top of the lotto. Enticing. Then look backwards at the times the Wiz/Bullets have missed a guy by one slot. Sad.

Now ask yourself what helps us best? JC being rewarded for winning play by being ‘guaranteed’ PT? Or. Us doubling down on development, knowing JC is going to be good no matter where and how much he plays.

Keep your eyes on the horizon my friend we still have an ocean of sailing.





Right the priorities for this season are developing the young players we have and setting ourselves up to land in the best position possible to add our franchise player in this next draft.

I like the idea of Cam and Tre on the court together to take some of the scoring load and defensive focus off Tre. Having Cam out there will help to open things up for Tre. As PG, Bub will have options. Cam's supreme athleticism paired with Kyshawn's length and skill could be an intriguing match in the frontcourt.

Obviously if Cam isn't defending, or doing what the coaches want him to do in general, then he would get benched and he can watch Champagnie demonstrate what effort looks like. Out of coal you get diamonds...competition is key. I'm not just handing him the job or minutes unless he earns it. That's what training camp and preseason are for. And he's got competition... Champagnie, Middleton, Dylan Jones, Jamir Watkins, Kyshawn, Will Riley... They will all test him and challenge him, and ideally he will be better for it.

I also like the idea of the young guys playing together for purposes of chemistry building. And the friendly competition between units, in camp, practices, and during games. I can see starting Bub, Tre, Cam, Kyshawn, Sarr, coming out on fire, then with youth and inexperience losing their momentum, and after the other team goes on a run the old heads come in off the bench with a nod, ok young pup go have a seat and watch how its done.
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Re: 2025-26 Lineup Thread -- How's it shakin out? 

Post#399 » by doclinkin » Fri Sep 19, 2025 10:40 am

payitforward wrote:1. I don't know what Justin's ceiling is, though at 24 there's no reason he can't get meaningfully better yet in the next couple of years.
2. The larger the gap between potential & performance the better?


Absolutely. If we are trying to lose and trying to develop players.

3. Nothing about Deni has any relevance to Cam.


Incorrect. They both play/ed for a Wizards team that is emphasizing player development. Both have had uncertainties their early career based on inconsistent play time. Then they end up on a Dawkins led program that gives them freedom to make mistakes but feeds them chances to succeed.

The Wiz coaching staff philosophy seems to be to let talented players work out their struggles on court by asking them to play the role they do well. And foster that talent by feeding them opportunities to succeed.

In Deni’s case it was to give him the ball in the open court. Tell him to outrun the defense instead of standing in a corner waiting for a 3 pt opportunity. If he could score on the break it didn’t matter that he had no left hand. If he got a head of steam then he would be able to get high percentage shots at the basket. Where previously he had difficulty scoring on the low block since his athleticism is not based on vertical bounce and powering through a defense. Once you see the ball go in you develop confidence to expand your game. The way a cold shooter often has to get a lay up before their outside shot starts to fall.

So. The same way they let Kyshawn shoot his way through a year long 3pt slump, when outside shooting was what he was known for in international play, and the same way they’ve let Sarr play as a perimeter Big despite terrible 3pt %, I expect they will give Cam every opportunity to do what got him to the league. He’s a remarkable athlete with a toolkit of one on one scoring, off the dribble shooting outside and blowing past defenders to blast through the rim. You don’t squander that talent by benching him and telling him to simply be better. Watch what Justin does.

What Justin does is junk ball scoring when unguarded. Quick read/react BBIQ to take advantage of the moment. He’s not breaking down defenses off the dribble. Or launching into and over defenders to put his jock on their head. What Cam can do Justin cannot. And vice versa. Whitmore is not a BBIQ standout the way Champagnie is. Cam has more to learn before he can realize his considerable potential.

That’s good. Because we need to lose this year. Give him all the developmental minutes he can handle. The way the Wiz gave JC. Who finally broke out with this team and lived up to the potential that you saw in his college play. Yes at 24 JC may still have upside. At 21 he was pretty much out of the league. Until he landed here and we gave him a 2nd chance.

Give Cam that chance.

5. We have more invested in Ky & Bub than in Cam, but you're still right -- everyone earns PT based on camp, practice, & in-game performance. Except that all the young are preferred over the few vets for obvious reasons. OTOH, here we are discussing the issue in advance of those metrics. In any case, based on the metric of performance, there's no question Justin (still only 24) starts.


If we were basing starts on performance we would have retained Richaun Holmes and benched Alex Sarr until he was a ‘remotely good’ player. And it would be the wrong move.

I’d say you have no idea how much we have invested in Cam. The talent he has, underdeveloped as it is, is one of the most prized and valued skills in the NBA. The ability to score when guarded is the stat that teams literally pay the most to obtain. Fans love gaudy scoring totals. Front offices can sell tickets on that. 100% chance if we can incubate Cam’s scoring talent we would get far more in trade for him than we’d get in an auction for Champagnie’s better rounded efficiency hero game.
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Re: 2025-26 Lineup Thread -- How's it shakin out? 

Post#400 » by payitforward » Fri Sep 19, 2025 2:13 pm

:)

So... you're saying that if Cam improves a whole lot he'll be a better player. & he'll be worth more to the team -- on court & in any potential transaction. Is that it? No surprise that I agree entirely, at least i hope it's no surprise.

My entire point consisted in the following: don't simply make Cam the starter. Make Cam earn it.

The former would NOT be good for the development of a gifted kid. The latter would, one hopes, both provide & reward the motivation Cam clearly seems to need (based on his 2 years in the league so far) to develop towards his obviously high ceiling.

Nor is that point based on a comparison of Cam with Justin, who logged 1850 extremely productive minutes for us last year -- something one would usually want to reward, no? Nothing to do w/ Cam.

Note, btw, that of the 61 games Justin played last year, he started 31 of them.

In sum: of course I agree that if Cam plays to his potential he will be a key element of the rebuilding/rebuilt Washington Wizards! & he should be rewarded for successful development in that direction.

For that matter, both these guys could play 2000+ minutes in the upcoming season. Or, if you prefer, *should* do so. There will be plenty of minutes available.

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