The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days

[lilfishi22]

Pretty sure that was for his reaction to the Charlie Kirk assassination.

This is what is being reported.

It's the slippery slope of being in the media: You're allowed to report on things that fall in your wheelhouse but not share your personal take on something outside it. And while I understand the Kirk situation is more a political one and outside his sporting related purview, he's still a regular dude with thoughts and feelings like everyone else. Much in the same vein as Kirk's musings, you don't have to like or agree with them.

Once a person has a job in a corporate space that is easily recognizable, this is what happens. Internet tribalism is fierce and without mercy and employers don't want any part in it. Him losing his gig once that came out is of little surprise to me.

TBH - if he is cheering on an assasination, he needs something more than a firing. What a horrible human being.

I agree

But he didn't

[lilfishi22]

never really cared for Gerald. he's was good at his job but Stephen and he do not have the personalities for a podcast. I don't think PHNX will be hurting too much with him gone.

He was the closest to an objective straight man in that group. PHNX had already gone down the crapper long ago, losing Gerald would neither fix it nor kill it.

[garrick]

Dudes looking gnarly for sure going into the next season. His impact on the game will be felt but there's also a small chance of fatigue and maybe not much individual box score growth with KD joining the team but once KD is gone in a few years he could be a monster. It's sort of an equation of how much usage Sengun/KD/Amen gets with the departure of Green and Brooks if we're talking box score stats.

If KD thought, he was underutilized in Phoenix. How's he going to feel in Houston?

He was a turnover machine when he tried to dribble too much. He was abused on defense it seemed also. There were no name dudes who when they looked up and KD was guarding them, they had a green light.

I never really saw the hype with Sengun.

He's a bad defender and lacks speed so I think he is just a similar player to Sabonis who is a good player but nothing amazing and can get absolutely torched at times on defense because he can't keep up.

[lilfishi22]

If KD thought, he was underutilized in Phoenix. How's he going to feel in Houston?

He was a turnover machine when he tried to dribble too much. He was abused on defense it seemed also. There were no name dudes who when they looked up and KD was guarding them, they had a green light.

I never really saw the hype with Sengun.

He's a bad defender and lacks speed so I think he is just a similar player to Sabonis who is a good player but nothing amazing and can get absolutely torched at times on defense because he can't keep up.

I thought he was overrated and to some extent, I still think he is but much less so now. His first 4 seasons in league does track pretty closely with Domas first 4 seasons with Domas being not as good a playmaker (at that stage of his career) but a better rebounder than Sengun. But even if Sengun peaks at Domas' peak with at like 20pts, 14rbs, 8ast, that's a DAMN good player, especially one taken outside of the lottery.

[mkot]

If you are not mourning, you are celebrating. And if you are mourning, you are somehow endorsing his words or, imo, hate speech.

I'm scared for the future of this country, and to the World. This is out of control.

[mkot]

He was a turnover machine when he tried to dribble too much. He was abused on defense it seemed also. There were no name dudes who when they looked up and KD was guarding them, they had a green light.

I never really saw the hype with Sengun.

He's a bad defender and lacks speed so I think he is just a similar player to Sabonis who is a good player but nothing amazing and can get absolutely torched at times on defense because he can't keep up.

I thought he was overrated and to some extent, I still think he is but much less so now. His first 4 seasons in league does track pretty closely with Domas first 4 seasons with Domas being not as good a playmaker (at that stage of his career) but a better rebounder than Sengun. But even if Sengun peaks at Domas' peak with at like 20pts, 14rbs, 8ast, that's a DAMN good player, especially one taken outside of the lottery.

A new baby Jokic comes up every year the past few years. I do think he is copying Jokic which is a little annoying to me, but his game is pretty limited. After watching him for a while you can tell there's a few go-to moves he likes to make over and over which make him less effective in the clutch. He can't make his jump shot and a poor free throw shooter, that will limit him in playoff environment.

He is a true offensive hub though, we will see how he and KD work together. I'm not optimistic things will work out the first year. KD doesn't believe in team ball and likes to iso, you double team him and he will turn it over. Will he change? I don't think he can. And anyone who had watched Udoka coach the Boston Celtics can tell you that his offensive system is predictable and lack creativity.

They are still probably the 3rd best team in the West, but they are a distance 3rd and a tier below OKC. I think Brooks is low key critical to their defensive success last season. They were not known to be that defensive dawg they were last year before Brooks's arrival.

[Sunsdeuce]

This is what is being reported.

It's the slippery slope of being in the media: You're allowed to report on things that fall in your wheelhouse but not share your personal take on something outside it. And while I understand the Kirk situation is more a political one and outside his sporting related purview, he's still a regular dude with thoughts and feelings like everyone else. Much in the same vein as Kirk's musings, you don't have to like or agree with them.

Once a person has a job in a corporate space that is easily recognizable, this is what happens. Internet tribalism is fierce and without mercy and employers don't want any part in it. Him losing his gig once that came out is of little surprise to me.

TBH - if he is cheering on an assasination, he needs something more than a firing. What a horrible human being.

I agree

But he didn't

Correct answer. Gerald simply stated facts. Gerald did not “celebrate or cheer”. Facts were presented. Gerald simply stated facts, not opinions. I’ve witnessed a Fauxnews anchor call for the murder of homeless people and give a half a$& apology for less than 20 seconds and nothing happened to him. I disagree with many of Gerald’s Sports opinions but outside of that, he did nothing wrong. I have my personal views on Charlie Kirk. But this is a Suns forum and I’ve seen the anger and rage from a certain group of posters here so I’ll keep my opinion to myself.

[lilfishi22]

I never really saw the hype with Sengun.

He's a bad defender and lacks speed so I think he is just a similar player to Sabonis who is a good player but nothing amazing and can get absolutely torched at times on defense because he can't keep up.

I thought he was overrated and to some extent, I still think he is but much less so now. His first 4 seasons in league does track pretty closely with Domas first 4 seasons with Domas being not as good a playmaker (at that stage of his career) but a better rebounder than Sengun. But even if Sengun peaks at Domas' peak with at like 20pts, 14rbs, 8ast, that's a DAMN good player, especially one taken outside of the lottery.

A new baby Jokic comes up every year the past few years. I do think he is copying Jokic which is a little annoying to me, but his game is pretty limited. After watching him for a while you can tell there's a few go-to moves he likes to make over and over which make him less effective in the clutch. He can't make his jump shot and a poor free throw shooter, that will limit him in playoff environment.

He is a true offensive hub though, we will see how he and KD work together. I'm not optimistic things will work out the first year. KD doesn't believe in team ball and likes to iso, you double team him and he will turn it over. Will he change? I don't think he can. And anyone who had watched Udoka coach the Boston Celtics can tell you that his offensive system is predictable and lack creativity.

They are still probably the 3rd best team in the West, but they are a distance 3rd and a tier below OKC. I think Brooks is low key critical to their defensive success last season. They were not known to be that defensive dawg they were last year before Brooks's arrival.

But how do you call him a true offensive hub while at the same time saying his game is pretty limited?

[mkot]

I thought he was overrated and to some extent, I still think he is but much less so now. His first 4 seasons in league does track pretty closely with Domas first 4 seasons with Domas being not as good a playmaker (at that stage of his career) but a better rebounder than Sengun. But even if Sengun peaks at Domas' peak with at like 20pts, 14rbs, 8ast, that's a DAMN good player, especially one taken outside of the lottery.

A new baby Jokic comes up every year the past few years. I do think he is copying Jokic which is a little annoying to me, but his game is pretty limited. After watching him for a while you can tell there's a few go-to moves he likes to make over and over which make him less effective in the clutch. He can't make his jump shot and a poor free throw shooter, that will limit him in playoff environment.

He is a true offensive hub though, we will see how he and KD work together. I'm not optimistic things will work out the first year. KD doesn't believe in team ball and likes to iso, you double team him and he will turn it over. Will he change? I don't think he can. And anyone who had watched Udoka coach the Boston Celtics can tell you that his offensive system is predictable and lack creativity.

They are still probably the 3rd best team in the West, but they are a distance 3rd and a tier below OKC. I think Brooks is low key critical to their defensive success last season. They were not known to be that defensive dawg they were last year before Brooks's arrival.

But how do you call him a true offensive hub while at the same time saying his game is pretty limited?

Think Domantas Sabonis, his is very limited offensively, but he can still be an offensive hub for the team.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Saberestar]

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Suns are offering yet $80M to $88M/ 4 years (with a player option) to Kuminga.

The Warriors would receive Royce O'Neale and 2nds in a S&T.

On paper the Kings offer to the Warriors is better than the Suns offer because of Monk.

[Mr Puddles]

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Suns are offering yet $80M to $88M/ 4 years (with a player option) to Kuminga.

The Warriors would receive Royce O'Neale and 2nds in a S&T.

On paper the Kings offer to the Warriors is better than the Suns offer because of Monk.

Apparently Kuminga prefers the Kings over the Suns as well. So there appears to be close to zero chance that he'll be in a Suns uniform by October 1st

[SkyBill40]

We need to stay away from Kuminga. He's not needed and this contract stuff with him is a bad look. If it's like this now, it's likely going to be the same later when he were to be a fully unrestricted free agent.

[Saberestar]

Read on Twitter

Suns are offering yet $80M to $88M/ 4 years (with a player option) to Kuminga.

The Warriors would receive Royce O'Neale and 2nds in a S&T.

On paper the Kings offer to the Warriors is better than the Suns offer because of Monk.

Apparently Kuminga prefers the Kings over the Suns as well. So there appears to be close to zero chance that he'll be in a Suns uniform by October 1st

I wouldn't say that there is "close to zero chance" that Kuminga will be a Sun next season.

We haven't retired our offer yet and there is only other team with serious interest in a S&T.

[King4Day]

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Suns are offering yet $80M to $88M/ 4 years (with a player option) to Kuminga.

The Warriors would receive Royce O'Neale and 2nds in a S&T.

On paper the Kings offer to the Warriors is better than the Suns offer because of Monk.

Apparently Kuminga prefers the Kings over the Suns as well. So there appears to be close to zero chance that he'll be in a Suns uniform by October 1st

I wouldn't say that there is "close to zero chance" that Kuminga will be a Sun next season.

We haven't retired our offer yet and there is only other team with serious interest in a S&T.

Golden State is only in trouble if he tells them, "last chance, trade me or I'm accepting the QO".

They might then be inclined to take whichever offer they prefer (Kings for Monk and a 1st seems like a no brainer which makes me believe it's not a real offer on the table).

Kuminga could also tell them, "If I accept the 2 years - 40mil, with team option, I'm not promising any team trading for me that I will re-sign". Thus limiting their return anyway. It's a matter of, will GSW find a better deal for him if they wait. I honestly don't think they will. Take the Kings offer and call it a day (assuming it is real). You aren't getting a better player in any trade than Monk. And you recoup a 1st to trade later. What's not to like here?

I could see Kuminga wanting Phoenix because he gets the extra year as a team option.

[SkyBill40]

Apparently Kuminga prefers the Kings over the Suns as well. So there appears to be close to zero chance that he'll be in a Suns uniform by October 1st

I wouldn't say that there is "close to zero chance" that Kuminga will be a Sun next season.

We haven't retired our offer yet and there is only other team with serious interest in a S&T.

Golden State is only in trouble if he tells them, "last chance, trade me or I'm accepting the QO".

They might then be inclined to take whichever offer they prefer (Kings for Monk and a 1st seems like a no brainer which makes me believe it's not a real offer on the table).

Kuminga could also tell them, "If I accept the 2 years - 40mil, with team option, I'm not promising any team trading for me that I will re-sign". Thus limiting their return anyway. It's a matter of, will GSW find a better deal for him if they wait. I honestly don't think they will. Take the Kings offer and call it a day (assuming it is real). You aren't getting a better player in any trade than Monk. And you recoup a 1st to trade later. What's not to like here?

I could see Kuminga wanting Phoenix because he gets the extra year as a team option.

GS has said from the beginning that they want a 1st in any move and seeing we don't have any, it pretty much removes us from any serious bidding on him (not that we need him nor do I want him here). I'm sorry to say that our front office is crazy if they think Royce O'neale and two seconds is going to get them this dude.