Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Onus]

If Kuminga's value is that low the Warriors are better off resigning him (to a reasonable dollar and years deal) and using him in trade as an expiring contract.

That’s why they offered the 1+1 but he doesn’t want to sign. I didn’t think we would move off of it if we were planning on trading him, but now we offered 3/75 which he hasn’t signed which I’m not sure why. Even if it’s only 2/48 guaranteed that’s more than he was offered anywhere else. Plus that gets him out when everyone has cap space.

[Larry Ellison]

At this point, if Warriors stand firm and JK takes the QO instead of the 2+1 with TO, he will have entered rarified air occupied only by Nerlens Noel. Throwing away millions of dollars that he will never get back.

There are others who have taken the QO. Greg Monroe took the QO and then signed a max contract the next summer.

Good point. Also true for Ben Gordon. I don't think that kind of money will be there for JK next summer though.

[Twinkie defense]

If Kuminga's value is that low the Warriors are better off resigning him (to a reasonable dollar and years deal) and using him in trade as an expiring contract.

No, the practical move to make is force JK sign the QO and force him to earn his next contract. We still own his birds rights next offseason even if he signs the QO and can facilitate a S&T if it’s worth it.

I bet warriors are secretly hoping JK rejects their current offer and sign the QO. Warriors FO and most fans don’t want him on $25m per year over 3 years. It’s going to be a negative contract if warriors give him that much.

I agree that $25 mil per over three years is a negative contract and would hamstring the Warriors, just when they need to maximize their assets.

But three years at $18 mil or two years in the low 20s are tradeable contracts that don't carry so much risk for the Warriors, while also giving Kuminga a hefty raise.

The problem with the QO for the Warriors is, because of the rules limiting how trades work for teams over the cap and up against the aprons, they really need a ~$20 mil, positive-value contract on the books to facilitate a trade to improve the team for Curry's twilight seasons.

The other attractive trade pieces they have - future first round picks, they'd need to attach salary to them to get a player in return. Young, positive-value players like Podz and Post, Warriors need them and their salary slots are too small to bring back an impact player.

Currently the Warriors roster is filled with guys with fat salaries who they can't do without. Or guys they can potentially do without but who don't make enough to bring back a great player even if they are sent out with a bunch of prime picks.

[HiRez]

I thought the 3/$75M offer included a team option? Which Kuminga's camp said was a dealbreaker? I'd still say off him a choice of a higher per-year rate with a team option, a lower per-year rate with no option, and an even lower per-year rate with a player option. He can have whatever he wants but there are tradeoffs that must be made. At some point he has to see taking the QO is going to require massively more than his apparent market value to make up for the difference over the next x years. No one is jumping to offer him $30M a year, why does he expect teams are going to suddenly offer $35M or $40M?

[statsman]

The fact that the Warriors offered 3/75, I find that an overpay, even with the 3rd year as a team option. He would make more the next two seasons than Giddey. Kuminga is not worth more than Giddey, and I question whether Giddey is worth the contract *he* signed.

Dial it down to the Kings' offer of 3/63, which starts at $20M. Using his Bird rights, that would be 3/65 to stay. All guaranteed. Or make the 2/45 fully guaranteed. I want Kuminga gone, but as long as Lacob is the owner of the Warriors, I don't see a clear avenue for that to happen.

[whatisacenter]

You guys are funny!

Hey JK, how about 22 1/2 million? No!

Hey JK, how about 25 million? No!

Hey JK, how about 20 million? Yeah sure OK!

[watch1958]

There’s been mention that they want cap space after the 27 season. Right now, only Moody and Buddy are under contract for then.

Ironically, that means Moses and JK are obstacles in the way of the second timeline.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Turner (kumingas agent) seems to be making the rounds. He'll be on 95.7.

Maybe he's trying to be the next klutch and sees kuminga as his LeBron.

[EvanZ]

Turner (kumingas agent) seems to be making the rounds. He'll be on 95.7.

Maybe he's trying to be the next klutch and sees kuminga as his LeBron.

No maybe about it.

[EvanZ]

There’s been mention that they want cap space after the 27 season. Right now, only Moody and Buddy are under contract for then.

Ironically, that means Moses and JK are obstacles in the way of the second timeline.

Except Moody will be making around $12M and is easily tradable.

[EvanZ]

You guys are funny!

Hey JK, how about 22 1/2 million? No!

Hey JK, how about 25 million? No!

Hey JK, how about 20 million? Yeah sure OK!

It's not about being funny bro. It's about the apron. Literally nothing else matters in this aside from staying under the apron and having a tradable contract.

[xdrta+]

If the two sides really want to compromise they could consider the 3 year contract that's supposedly on the table, with the third year a PO/non-guarantee. This would give each side an out. If JK blows up and teams are lining up to sign him for big bucks he can opt out and sign where he wants. If not, and he opts in, the Warriors would have an out since he's non-guaranteed. In the meantime the Warriors have two years to work out a trade. Each side gives up something but gets something they want.

[DonaldSanders]

If the two sides really want to compromise they could consider the 3 year contract that's supposedly on the table, with the third year a PO/non-guarantee. This would give each side an out. If JK blows up and teams are lining up to sign him for big bucks he can opt out and sign where he wants. If not, and he opts in, the Warriors would have an out since he's non-guaranteed. In the meantime the Warriors have two years to work out a trade. Each side gives up something but gets something they want.

That sounds perfect.

[superunknown]

If the two sides really want to compromise they could consider the 3 year contract that's supposedly on the table, with the third year a PO/non-guarantee. This would give each side an out. If JK blows up and teams are lining up to sign him for big bucks he can opt out and sign where he wants. If not, and he opts in, the Warriors would have an out since he's non-guaranteed. In the meantime the Warriors have two years to work out a trade. Each side gives up something but gets something they want.

but do both sides really want to compromise, especially the player side?

[Twinkie defense]

You guys are funny!

Hey JK, how about 22 1/2 million? No!

Hey JK, how about 25 million? No!

Hey JK, how about 20 million? Yeah sure OK!

If he thinks he's worth more than $25 mil he should sign the QO and get a free agent contract next summer, IDK what he's waiting for - no one, including the Warriors, is going to pay him that this season.

[Twinkie defense]

There’s been mention that they want cap space after the 27 season. Right now, only Moody and Buddy are under contract for then.

Ironically, that means Moses and JK are obstacles in the way of the second timeline.

Except Moody will be making around $12M and is easily tradable.

And Buddy's player option is only $10 mil.

[Onus]

If the two sides really want to compromise they could consider the 3 year contract that's supposedly on the table, with the third year a PO/non-guarantee. This would give each side an out. If JK blows up and teams are lining up to sign him for big bucks he can opt out and sign where he wants. If not, and he opts in, the Warriors would have an out since he's non-guaranteed. In the meantime the Warriors have two years to work out a trade. Each side gives up something but gets something they want.

How does a po/non guarantee work? If he picks it up and then the warriors cut him because there’s no guarantee isn’t that just a team option?

[xdrta+]

If the two sides really want to compromise they could consider the 3 year contract that's supposedly on the table, with the third year a PO/non-guarantee. This would give each side an out. If JK blows up and teams are lining up to sign him for big bucks he can opt out and sign where he wants. If not, and he opts in, the Warriors would have an out since he's non-guaranteed. In the meantime the Warriors have two years to work out a trade. Each side gives up something but gets something they want.

How does a po/non guarantee work? If he picks it up and then the warriors cut him because there’s no guarantee isn’t that just a team option?

Except there can't be two options so you do it this way. JK can get out of the 3rd year and so can GS. With the team option JK is at the mercy of the Warriors.

[statsman]

If the two sides really want to compromise they could consider the 3 year contract that's supposedly on the table, with the third year a PO/non-guarantee. This would give each side an out. If JK blows up and teams are lining up to sign him for big bucks he can opt out and sign where he wants. If not, and he opts in, the Warriors would have an out since he's non-guaranteed. In the meantime the Warriors have two years to work out a trade. Each side gives up something but gets something they want.

How does a po/non guarantee work? If he picks it up and then the warriors cut him because there’s no guarantee isn’t that just a team option?

I think if he picks up the player option but the Warriors cut him (maybe before Draft Day), he's guaranteed a bit over $3M. I think this allows him to opt out, but if he doesn't, the Warriors can "opt out" by paying him the guaranteed amount.

[Crazy-Canuck]

If the two sides really want to compromise they could consider the 3 year contract that's supposedly on the table, with the third year a PO/non-guarantee. This would give each side an out. If JK blows up and teams are lining up to sign him for big bucks he can opt out and sign where he wants. If not, and he opts in, the Warriors would have an out since he's non-guaranteed. In the meantime the Warriors have two years to work out a trade. Each side gives up something but gets something they want.

How does a po/non guarantee work? If he picks it up and then the warriors cut him because there’s no guarantee isn’t that just a team option?

Except there can't be two options so you do it this way. JK can get out of the 3rd year and so can GS. With the team option JK is at the mercy of the Warriors.

So similar to how the kings structured derozens deal?

Demar got 3/75.

The first 2 years are fully guaranteed for 48M.

The 3rd year is guaranteed for only 10M. But with team incentives that last year could increase.

Give jk that 3/75

First 2 years guaranteed.

3rd year 5M guaranteed. 10M guaranteed after a certain date
+5M if they win a chip.
+10M if they win b2b chips
+2M if AS
+3M if B2B AS

Should easily be doable since his team already said if he gets paid , he will buy in and get steph his rings.