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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3201 » by DonaldSanders » Fri Sep 19, 2025 4:49 pm

whatisacenter wrote:I'm not sure why fans are getting their knickers in a knot over this....Jk and Turner have been willing to accept a contract that will keep the team under the second apron from the jump. They just want something in return and I think they two sides get a deal done where JK has the option on the back end.


I don't get why JK Stans are getting their knickers in a knot over the reaction to an unlikable media tour :wink:

But seriously, I agree though that a deal likely gets done. I think Turner/JK did a good job in negotiations up until today, this is bringing them negative pressure from the Warrior fanbase, whether you agree or not. The interview basically sounds reasonable if you're a huge JK fan, if you see some serious flaws in JK's game/effort then the interview came off poorly.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3202 » by Senchu » Fri Sep 19, 2025 5:03 pm

JK is distressed asset with chance to become an asset.
Suns/Kings not offering anything because he is distressed assed in SnT. You think they would lowball Ws if it was Luka on rfa?
Ws not offering more.
JK wants to get rewarded on the possibility of becoming an asset.
Suns/Kings want a cheap chance on getting a potential asset.
Writing this up, I don't really care how this ends. Maybe he becomes an asset, maybe not but atm he is not. Would be nice to keep this chance to see if he can become, if not, oh well.
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Post#3203 » by Ilovethebay » Fri Sep 19, 2025 5:30 pm

whatisacenter wrote:Listening to hoop collective now and the agent sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Same here. Going public with this is a little risky. If you are not a fan of JK this will make you hate him even more. If you think that he can take a big step forward with a full training camp with the Jimmy and Steph like I do, this was a very interesting pod.
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Post#3204 » by AirP. » Fri Sep 19, 2025 5:42 pm

whatisacenter wrote:I'm not sure why fans are getting their knickers in a knot over this....Jk and Turner have been willing to accept a contract that will keep the team under the second apron from the jump. They just want something in return and I think they two sides get a deal done where JK has the option on the back end.


No, it's not they just want something in return because the Warriors have been giving in throughout the summer. It sounds like currently Golden State's FO has given Kuminga 3 different offers plus he still has the QO. The only movement on Kuminga's side is asking for the team option to be turned into a player option with a promise in the future that Kuminga will play the role Kerr asked of him... even though he wouldn't do that when they needed him to do that last season.

The agent is being reasonable doing his job but I would like to listen to some of the talks between the agent and Kuminga when he said he was educating his client on the situation with GS, the aprons which will affect adding a needed player like Horford to the roster.

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Post#3205 » by AirP. » Fri Sep 19, 2025 5:50 pm

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whatisacenter wrote:Listening to hoop collective now and the agent sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Same here. Going public with this is a little risky. If you are not a fan of JK this will make you hate him even more. If you think that he can take a big step forward with a full training camp with the Jimmy and Steph like I do, this was a very interesting pod.


If he accepts his role while GS is trying to play meaningful basketball with Curry as the leader, things will go fine but he had his chance to do that last season when GS was trying to move up in the standings and he just didn't do that. If he continues to look for his own shot with Curry on the court with him it probably won't work well and you'll be seeing a 20-to-25-million-dollar player getting DNP-CD during next season's playoffs.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3206 » by BayAreaDub » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:02 pm

It won’t be good to have him on the team if he ends up taking the QO. Cancer brewing. Just give him the PO Jokic and Giannis ain’t coming here anyways
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Post#3207 » by statsman » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:10 pm

Go back to the 2/45 and fully guarantee the 2nd season. No team or player option. I am not sure why the Warriors didn't offer this.

Lacob has something he thinks he can do that prevents that offer, but for the life of me I can't come up with a reasonable idea.
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Post#3208 » by AirP. » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:28 pm

statsman wrote:Go back to the 2/45 and fully guarantee the 2nd season. No team or player option. I am not sure why the Warriors didn't offer this.

Lacob has something he thinks he can do that prevents that offer, but for the life of me I can't come up with a reasonable idea.

It removes the ability to just use him as an expiring contract to a team wanting to shed salary. This is a lesser value move but it gives GS more options when trying to make their team better with Curry.

After saying that, why wasn't there any "good" teams asking for a S&T for Kuminga? I'm sure there's a number of "good" teams that could stack salaries they'd be fine giving up if they really believed in Kuminga's future. As of this summer only teams who are desperate to take a chance on Kuminga talked trades with GS. Without that happening, I think him being a sizable expiring contract might be huge for GS.
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Post#3210 » by EvanZ » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:39 pm

Yeah Kobe-style fadeaway 2's is really what Kerr is preaching. LMAO
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Post#3211 » by Onus » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:40 pm

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Post#3212 » by bay2hk » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:46 pm

BayAreaDub wrote:It won’t be good to have him on the team if he ends up taking the QO. Cancer brewing. Just give him the PO Jokic and Giannis ain’t coming here anyways


It’s a sunk cost you think that. Better to have him on the QO because if he f’s around next season he will be benched.
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Post#3213 » by DonaldSanders » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:55 pm

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This direction he is taking coincides with the decline in his TS% down to 53.5% last year. Slow back down 2s is 90s ball, I'm just baffled this is what he'd tweet out. If anything we should be seeing JK bury 10 corner 3s in a row in one of these silly workout tweets.
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Post#3214 » by wco81 » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:56 pm

He should be able to make a jumper in the lane at a very high clip. Combine that with over and under moves so defenders aren't overplaying for the turnaround jumper.

That would be useful when the team is struggling to score, especially the second unit.

If he's almost automatic on that, teams may start sending double teams which would create wide open shots for other players.
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Post#3215 » by HiRez » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:00 pm

BayAreaDub wrote:It won’t be good to have him on the team if he ends up taking the QO. Cancer brewing. Just give him the PO Jokic and Giannis ain’t coming here anyways

It's the Giannis and Jokic thing that has really been driving me nuts. Holding all your ammo for this slim chance of something several years down the road when Steph is retiring and Giannis and Jokic are entering their mid 30s is utter insanity. Trade your damn picks (and other players if needed) for legit guys that can help Steph NOW. If you're getting really good, young players back, you can still trade them back for picks later if you need to. Now 4 first-rounders for Markkanen would not have been a good deal. But a few trades like 2 FRP for Murphy or Avdija or something would be.
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Post#3216 » by Ilovethebay » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:01 pm

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BayAreaDub wrote:It won’t be good to have him on the team if he ends up taking the QO. Cancer brewing. Just give him the PO Jokic and Giannis ain’t coming here anyways


It’s a sunk cost you think that. Better to have him on the QO because if he f’s around next season he will be benched.


Dude give it up. The QO ain’t happening. NOBODY WINS if that happens. There is no way the Warriors will lose this trade asset during the last of Curry’s prime. So even though you can’t stand the guy you need to understand that.
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Post#3217 » by AirP. » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:03 pm

wco81 wrote:He should be able to make a jumper in the lane at a very high clip. Combine that with over and under moves so defenders aren't overplaying for the turnaround jumper.

That would be useful when the team is struggling to score, especially the second unit.

If he's almost automatic on that, teams may start sending double teams which would create wide open shots for other players.


What FG% of making that shot is automatic for you? If he's making 50% of those shots that's a rate of only 100 points per 100 offensive possessions.
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Post#3218 » by AirP. » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:09 pm

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BayAreaDub wrote:It won’t be good to have him on the team if he ends up taking the QO. Cancer brewing. Just give him the PO Jokic and Giannis ain’t coming here anyways


It’s a sunk cost you think that. Better to have him on the QO because if he f’s around next season he will be benched.


Dude give it up. The QO ain’t happening. NOBODY WINS if that happens. There is no way the Warriors will lose this trade asset during the last of Curry’s prime. So even though you can’t stand the guy you need to understand that.


If he takes the QO that's only 8 million riding the bench if he doesn't play the role he's given to help this team win. You give him 20+ mil for 2 or 3 years he really has no incentive to not play how he wants; he got paid. Last year he took the same amount of FGA per36 that KD took for Phoenix, I doubt that would drop if he had a big contract given to him.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3219 » by Ilovethebay » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:14 pm

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It’s a sunk cost you think that. Better to have him on the QO because if he f’s around next season he will be benched.


Dude give it up. The QO ain’t happening. NOBODY WINS if that happens. There is no way the Warriors will lose this trade asset during the last of Curry’s prime. So even though you can’t stand the guy you need to understand that.


If he takes the QO that's only 8 million riding the bench if he doesn't play the role he's given to help this team win. You give him 20+ mil for 2 or 3 years he really has no incentive to not play how he wants; he got paid. Last year he took the same amount of FGA per36 that KD took for Phoenix, I doubt that would drop if he had a big contract given to him.

Lol. Even if what you say is true, they need a tradable contract. Can’t understand why this is so difficult to understand.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3220 » by wco81 » Fri Sep 19, 2025 7:17 pm

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wco81 wrote:He should be able to make a jumper in the lane at a very high clip. Combine that with over and under moves so defenders aren't overplaying for the turnaround jumper.

That would be useful when the team is struggling to score, especially the second unit.

If he's almost automatic on that, teams may start sending double teams which would create wide open shots for other players.


What FG% of making that shot is automatic for you? If he's making 50% of those shots that's a rate of only 100 points per 100 offensive possessions.



It's going to have to be much higher than he's been able to make. There have been stretches in his career where he either went downhill to the hoop or get the ball way down into the paint and rise for like 6-foot jumpers.

But the whole idea of someone going for a midrange shot when they needed a bucket, that's what KD did when he was on the team, get the ball with the clock running out and create a shot, get a bucket.

I will say this, Kuminga is more likely to make those shots than Jimmy is at this point in their careers.

I'm not saying he will achieve the high efficiency to rely on him but he's also only 22 (turning 23 in a couple of weeks) so who's to say that he can't improve a lot?

SGA made a big jump in efficiency and scoring volume in 2022-2023, when he turned from 24 to 25. JK is unlikely to have a development trajectory like SGA but it's likely that he will improve with regular minutes. His first couple of seasons, the minutes were inconsistent.

Presumably the Warriors are offering the contract based some on potential, as well as salary ballast.

I'm not convinced that the team has decided that he will never be a good player in their system based on the last half of last season when he returned from injury and didn't fit in with the new rotation after Butler arrived.

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