Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Crazy-Canuck]

Dame is making $60M, how is that a comparable case? How many picks was MIL going to give them?

You mean how many were the heat offering when dame was trying to get there when he was in Portland? Because that was when the heat were unwilling to trade herro for dame.

That was then and this is now. I'm only proposing this deal because Lowe talked about Herro trades on his pod. If they are looking to move Herro we should be in the running. I'm not sure what the vastly better deal they're going to get than Kuminga, Hield and a future first. Like a lightly protected 2030 pick. If they can get more for him, so be it. But from our side, I'd be in on those offers.

Heat fans were thinking a bane like haul when that trade went down.

[EvanZ]

You mean how many were the heat offering when dame was trying to get there when he was in Portland? Because that was when the heat were unwilling to trade herro for dame.

That was then and this is now. I'm only proposing this deal because Lowe talked about Herro trades on his pod. If they are looking to move Herro we should be in the running. I'm not sure what the vastly better deal they're going to get than Kuminga, Hield and a future first. Like a lightly protected 2030 pick. If they can get more for him, so be it. But from our side, I'd be in on those offers.

Heat fans were thinking a bane like haul when that trade went down.

And Warriors fans think we're getting a Bane like haul for Kuminga. Oh wait, that's just Joe.

[AirP.]

He shouldn't be a #1, he shouldn't be a #2, he should be your deadly 3pt shooter off the ball who can do more with the ball if needed.

Isn’t this exactly what we need on offense next to Steph/Jimmy?

It’s so obvious he doesn’t get it.

What you're thinking he is should have been what helped Butler and Bam but it wasn't, in fact, after the bubble year the only time Miami had success in the playoffs was when Herro was hurt and didn't play.

Here's his playoffs...
Age TS% ORTG
20 56% 106 <- promising rookie, played more off ball, Miami let him start handling the ball after his rookie season.
21 45% 92
22 49% 97
23 66% 120 (only played 19 minutes and he broke his hand)
24 51% 95
25 51% 98

He's skillful offensively (he is a hard worker) but physically he's not great which limits him especially in the playoffs.

[wco81]

Count me out of the Tyler Herro sweepstakes.

Out of curiosity, what do you think we will get for Kuminga if he signs one of these "trade deals"? What are you holding out for?

Give it up, nobody thinks Herro is some difference maker. More likely a liability.

[Zvaart]

I thought long and hard about it for some time now, and i think i have an opinion:

This thread won't reach 200 pages.

[EvanZ]

Count me out of the Tyler Herro sweepstakes.

Out of curiosity, what do you think we will get for Kuminga if he signs one of these "trade deals"? What are you holding out for?

Give it up, nobody thinks Herro is some difference maker. More likely a liability.

Are you one of his exes?

[EvanZ]

Isn’t this exactly what we need on offense next to Steph/Jimmy?

It’s so obvious he doesn’t get it.

What you're thinking he is should have been what helped Butler and Bam but it wasn't, in fact, after the bubble year the only time Miami had success in the playoffs was when Herro was hurt and didn't play.

Here's his playoffs...
Age TS% ORTG
20 56% 106 <- promising rookie, played more off ball, Miami let him start handling the ball after his rookie season.
21 45% 92
22 49% 97
23 66% 120 (only played 19 minutes and he broke his hand)
24 51% 95
25 51% 98

He's skillful offensively (he is a hard worker) but physically he's not great which limits him especially in the playoffs.

I'll ask you and maybe you will give me answer that nobody else is willing to give. What trade are we going to make with Kuminga? I'll be interested to see what better alternatives you come up with.

[ChuckDurn]

I thought long and hard about it for some time now, and i think i have an opinion:

This thread won't reach 200 pages.

This kind of pessimism won’t help the cause…..

[Onus]

It’s so obvious he doesn’t get it.

What you're thinking he is should have been what helped Butler and Bam but it wasn't, in fact, after the bubble year the only time Miami had success in the playoffs was when Herro was hurt and didn't play.

Here's his playoffs...
Age TS% ORTG
20 56% 106 <- promising rookie, played more off ball, Miami let him start handling the ball after his rookie season.
21 45% 92
22 49% 97
23 66% 120 (only played 19 minutes and he broke his hand)
24 51% 95
25 51% 98

He's skillful offensively (he is a hard worker) but physically he's not great which limits him especially in the playoffs.

I'll ask you and maybe you will give me answer that nobody else is willing to give. What trade are we going to make with Kuminga? I'll be interested to see what better alternatives you come up with.

Unless we're getting Giannis, Lacob isn't trading JK.

[marthafokker]

Count me out of the Tyler Herro sweepstakes.

Out of curiosity, what do you think we will get for Kuminga if he signs one of these "trade deals"? What are you holding out for?

Based on Kerr's assessment, what Suns and Kings offered.

[whatisacenter]

1 week to go!

[AirP.]

It’s so obvious he doesn’t get it.

What you're thinking he is should have been what helped Butler and Bam but it wasn't, in fact, after the bubble year the only time Miami had success in the playoffs was when Herro was hurt and didn't play.

Here's his playoffs...
Age TS% ORTG
20 56% 106 <- promising rookie, played more off ball, Miami let him start handling the ball after his rookie season.
21 45% 92
22 49% 97
23 66% 120 (only played 19 minutes and he broke his hand)
24 51% 95
25 51% 98

He's skillful offensively (he is a hard worker) but physically he's not great which limits him especially in the playoffs.

I'll ask you and maybe you will give me answer that nobody else is willing to give. What trade are we going to make with Kuminga? I'll be interested to see what better alternatives you come up with.

I don't know who will become available during the season nor what injuries or weaknesses are exposed on GS by that time, I would expect that some teams with higher aspirations find out their build isn't as good as they want to be and need to hit a reset which may take multiple years.

You have to go with what the "expected" GS roster is going to look like, minus Kuminga to see what you may or may not need with the understanding of the players who will get less minutes for he new players. Just getting "value" from Kuminga may not really make the team better this year.

Guards only - Curry, Melton, Podz and quite possibly Seth Curry
Guards/SF - Hield, Moody, GP2
SF/PF - Butler
PF - Green, Santos
C - Horford, Post, TJD

For this version of the Warriors, you'd have to say there's a real opening at the backup wing for Kuminga but if he doesn't want a lesser role with a possibility of doing more in the next couple of years. Right now GS biggest need may be another wing, even if it's a lesser talented player than Kuminga which GS seems to be good with if adding another 1st rounder with for future team building.

If Kuminga would sign the 3 year contract, play the role Kerr wants with this current build, and gain Kerr's trust he might be one of the main guys of the next build, but he has to wait his turn and do what is needed to help this team win based on what the coach wants, not what Kuminga wants.

I do think Kuminga has it in him to be a difference maker but I don't think he has enough talent to alter a roster to make him happy. If your end goal is competing for a championship. Also... yes, if you havd any idea that Curry had some more great years left in him Kuminga probably should have been moved before this time although I think the FO/Ownership hoped Kuminga would have bought in with his role by now because I think he could be a 20 ppg guy even playing a role vs being an engine of the offense.

[whatisacenter]

GS should just take the Suns offer....Royce would be under contract at a low price through 27-28 and should be easy enough to move if they wanted him off the books a year earlier for their "Summer of Dreams" in 2027 and Richards is an expiring.

Take the 4 seconds and include them in a package if they need to get off Royce.

[Onus]

GS should just take the Suns offer....Royce would be under contract at a low price through 27-28 and should be easy enough to move if they wanted him off the books a year earlier for their "Summer of Dreams" in 2027 and Richards is an expiring.

Take the 4 seconds and include them in a package if they need to get off Royce.

They don't have 4 seconds to trade. I think they only have 3? 26, 29, 32?

[whatisacenter]

GS should just take the Suns offer....Royce would be under contract at a low price through 27-28 and should be easy enough to move if they wanted him off the books a year earlier for their "Summer of Dreams" in 2027 and Richards is an expiring.

Take the 4 seconds and include them in a package if they need to get off Royce.

They don't have 4 seconds to trade. I think they only have 3? 26, 29, 32?

Did they move 1 of the seconds since the original trade offer? I thought it was Royce, Nic and 4 2nds.

[TB]

GS should just take the Suns offer....Royce would be under contract at a low price through 27-28 and should be easy enough to move if they wanted him off the books a year earlier for their "Summer of Dreams" in 2027 and Richards is an expiring.

Take the 4 seconds and include them in a package if they need to get off Royce.

Royce and Oso would be great fits on our team.

[Onus]

GS should just take the Suns offer....Royce would be under contract at a low price through 27-28 and should be easy enough to move if they wanted him off the books a year earlier for their "Summer of Dreams" in 2027 and Richards is an expiring.

Take the 4 seconds and include them in a package if they need to get off Royce.

They don't have 4 seconds to trade. I think they only have 3? 26, 29, 32?

Did they move 1 of the seconds since the original trade offer? I thought it was Royce, Nic and 4 2nds.

Someone came out after and said they don't actually have 4 2nds to trade after that offer came out.

[whatisacenter]

They don't have 4 seconds to trade. I think they only have 3? 26, 29, 32?

Did they move 1 of the seconds since the original trade offer? I thought it was Royce, Nic and 4 2nds.

Someone came out after and said they don't actually have 4 2nds to trade after that offer came out.

Looks like they have their own 2nd round picks in '29 and '32 and 3 from other teams in '26, '28 and '30.

But regardless of how many they get they could move off JK and not have to move Moses or Buddy in that deal I believe.

[Onus]

Did they move 1 of the seconds since the original trade offer? I thought it was Royce, Nic and 4 2nds.

Someone came out after and said they don't actually have 4 2nds to trade after that offer came out.

Looks like they have their own 2nd round picks in '29 and '32 and 3 from other teams in '26, '28 and '30.

But regardless of how many they get they could move of JK and not have to move Moses or Buddy in that deal I believe.

They traded 2 to move up in this year's draft?

Yea they shouldn't need to move Moses or Buddy ...

[EvanZ]

What you're thinking he is should have been what helped Butler and Bam but it wasn't, in fact, after the bubble year the only time Miami had success in the playoffs was when Herro was hurt and didn't play.

Here's his playoffs...
Age TS% ORTG
20 56% 106 <- promising rookie, played more off ball, Miami let him start handling the ball after his rookie season.
21 45% 92
22 49% 97
23 66% 120 (only played 19 minutes and he broke his hand)
24 51% 95
25 51% 98

He's skillful offensively (he is a hard worker) but physically he's not great which limits him especially in the playoffs.

I'll ask you and maybe you will give me answer that nobody else is willing to give. What trade are we going to make with Kuminga? I'll be interested to see what better alternatives you come up with.

I don't know who will become available during the season nor what injuries or weaknesses are exposed on GS by that time, I would expect that some teams with higher aspirations find out their build isn't as good as they want to be and need to hit a reset which may take multiple years.

You have to go with what the "expected" GS roster is going to look like, minus Kuminga to see what you may or may not need with the understanding of the players who will get less minutes for he new players. Just getting "value" from Kuminga may not really make the team better this year.

Guards only - Curry, Melton, Podz and quite possibly Seth Curry
Guards/SF - Hield, Moody, GP2
SF/PF - Butler
PF - Green, Santos
C - Horford, Post, TJD

For this version of the Warriors, you'd have to say there's a real opening at the backup wing for Kuminga but if he doesn't want a lesser role with a possibility of doing more in the next couple of years. Right now GS biggest need may be another wing, even if it's a lesser talented player than Kuminga which GS seems to be good with if adding another 1st rounder with for future team building.

If Kuminga would sign the 3 year contract, play the role Kerr wants with this current build, and gain Kerr's trust he might be one of the main guys of the next build, but he has to wait his turn and do what is needed to help this team win based on what the coach wants, not what Kuminga wants.

I do think Kuminga has it in him to be a difference maker but I don't think he has enough talent to alter a roster to make him happy. If your end goal is competing for a championship. Also... yes, if you havd any idea that Curry had some more great years left in him Kuminga probably should have been moved before this time although I think the FO/Ownership hoped Kuminga would have bought in with his role by now because I think he could be a 20 ppg guy even playing a role vs being an engine of the offense.

All those words and not one suggestion of an actual trade. Great chat.