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[Godaddycurse]

Simons for Terrance Mann drops the Celtics 100K below tax, maybe?

Celtics traded Mann + 22 to Brooklyn in the first place

[Mavrelous]

Simons for Terrance Mann drops the Celtics 100K below tax, maybe?

Celtics traded Mann + 22 to Brooklyn in the first place

Hawks did, in the KP trade, it's legal.for BOS trade for him, no?

[djFan71]

Simons for Terrance Mann drops the Celtics 100K below tax, maybe?

Celtics traded Mann + 22 to Brooklyn in the first place

Hawks did, in the KP trade, it's legal.for BOS trade for him, no?

Yeah, we've batted that idea around on the BOS board. People with spreadsheets approve, the rest don't.

[SkyHook]

As expected.

"By not signing Kessler now, he would have a cap hold of $14.9 million next summer, which would give the Jazz enough space to keep Kessler’s hold and still do work in free agency. Then, the Jazz and Kessler theoretically can come to an agreement. Because Utah holds Kessler’s Bird rights, the Jazz would be able to exceed the cap by signing him."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6659110/2025/09/24/jazz-walker-kessler-contract-extension-2026/

[SlimShady83]

As expected.

"By not signing Kessler now, he would have a cap hold of $14.9 million next summer, which would give the Jazz enough space to keep Kessler’s hold and still do work in free agency. Then, the Jazz and Kessler theoretically can come to an agreement. Because Utah holds Kessler’s Bird rights, the Jazz would be able to exceed the cap by signing him."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6659110/2025/09/24/jazz-walker-kessler-contract-extension-2026/

Knecht, FRP and pick swap, I would no other team will offer your team FRP and pick swap at least IMO

and I had that gut feeling all along don't see you guys keeping him.

Knicks could also target him

[babyjax13]

As expected.

"By not signing Kessler now, he would have a cap hold of $14.9 million next summer, which would give the Jazz enough space to keep Kessler’s hold and still do work in free agency. Then, the Jazz and Kessler theoretically can come to an agreement. Because Utah holds Kessler’s Bird rights, the Jazz would be able to exceed the cap by signing him."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6659110/2025/09/24/jazz-walker-kessler-contract-extension-2026/

Knecht, FRP and pick swap, I would no other team will offer your team FRP and pick swap at least IMO

and I had that gut feeling all along don't see you guys keeping him.

Knicks could also target him

A) no, not interested in that at all
B) this is the outcome we expected all offseason because it gives more flexibility in 2026 and is - generally - the right decision with non-star RFAs.

[Devilanche]

As expected.

"By not signing Kessler now, he would have a cap hold of $14.9 million next summer, which would give the Jazz enough space to keep Kessler’s hold and still do work in free agency. Then, the Jazz and Kessler theoretically can come to an agreement. Because Utah holds Kessler’s Bird rights, the Jazz would be able to exceed the cap by signing him."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6659110/2025/09/24/jazz-walker-kessler-contract-extension-2026/

Knecht, FRP and pick swap, I would no other team will offer your team FRP and pick swap at least IMO

and I had that gut feeling all along don't see you guys keeping him.

Knicks could also target him

A) no, not interested in that at all
B) this is the outcome we expected all offseason because it gives more flexibility in 2026 and is - generally - the right decision with non-star RFAs.

Wouldn’t this increase the chance of keeping him ? He’s someone Utah has clearly liked and you guys will have to be competitive sooner or later. There’s no other C prospect that you guys are developing .

[SkyHook]

As expected.

"By not signing Kessler now, he would have a cap hold of $14.9 million next summer, which would give the Jazz enough space to keep Kessler’s hold and still do work in free agency. Then, the Jazz and Kessler theoretically can come to an agreement. Because Utah holds Kessler’s Bird rights, the Jazz would be able to exceed the cap by signing him."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6659110/2025/09/24/jazz-walker-kessler-contract-extension-2026/

Knecht, FRP and pick swap, I would no other team will offer your team FRP and pick swap at least IMO

and I had that gut feeling all along don't see you guys keeping him.

Knicks could also target him

No.

By not extending him now it doesn't mean that the plan isn't to keep him, it's just timing. His lower cap hold next summer is key. As I said, this was as expected.

[brackdan70]

Simons for Terrance Mann drops the Celtics 100K below tax, maybe?

Celtics traded Mann + 22 to Brooklyn in the first place

Hawks did, in the KP trade, it's legal.for BOS trade for him, no?

It’s legal but if they wanted Mann they would have kept him and the pick and left Brooklyn out of the trade.

[Mavrelous]

Celtics traded Mann + 22 to Brooklyn in the first place

Hawks did, in the KP trade, it's legal.for BOS trade for him, no?

It’s legal but if they wanted Mann they would have kept him and the pick and left Brooklyn out of the trade.

No, they had to dump KP to duck the 2nd Apron.

[brackdan70]

Hawks did, in the KP trade, it's legal.for BOS trade for him, no?

It’s legal but if they wanted Mann they would have kept him and the pick and left Brooklyn out of the trade.

No, they had to dump KP to duck the 2nd Apron.

No I am saying in the Atlanta trade they could have traded KP for Mann, Niang and 22, and left Brooklyn out. They could have then searched for other ways to get under the Apron. They could have still traded Niang as the did and then still be about 8m over the Apron with Mann. They could look at trading Simons or Hauser and a 2nd to get under the apron and keep the pick.
I think the real reason they didn’t keep Mann was the long term money. They have always focused on being in a position to duck the tax next year and have flexibility.

[Mavrelous]

It’s legal but if they wanted Mann they would have kept him and the pick and left Brooklyn out of the trade.

No, they had to dump KP to duck the 2nd Apron.

No I am saying in the Atlanta trade they could have traded KP for Mann, Niang and 22, and left Brooklyn out. They could have then searched for other ways to get under the Apron. They could have still traded Niang as the did and then still be about 8m over the Apron with Mann. They could look at trading Simons or Hauser and a 2nd to get under the apron and keep the pick.
I think the real reason they didn’t keep Mann was the long term money. They have always focused on being in a position to duck the tax next year and have flexibility.

I don't think ducking tax while having Mann + 1st rd pick salary on the books is as simple as you make it, if it was Boston would already be below the tax.

[Scoot McGroot]

As expected.

"By not signing Kessler now, he would have a cap hold of $14.9 million next summer, which would give the Jazz enough space to keep Kessler’s hold and still do work in free agency. Then, the Jazz and Kessler theoretically can come to an agreement. Because Utah holds Kessler’s Bird rights, the Jazz would be able to exceed the cap by signing him."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6659110/2025/09/24/jazz-walker-kessler-contract-extension-2026/

Knecht, FRP and pick swap, I would no other team will offer your team FRP and pick swap at least IMO

and I had that gut feeling all along don't see you guys keeping him.

Knicks could also target him

No.

By not extending him now it doesn't mean that the plan isn't to keep him, it's just timing. His lower cap hold next summer is key. As I said, this was as expected.

It really could be. It could also be that they want to keep him in a very flexible trade state, too. His constant mentions in trade rumors won't make him any cheaper for Utah to keep either, as he'll probably be less likely to give any sort of an "incumbent discount"?

[SkyHook]

Knecht, FRP and pick swap, I would no other team will offer your team FRP and pick swap at least IMO

and I had that gut feeling all along don't see you guys keeping him.

Knicks could also target him

No.

By not extending him now it doesn't mean that the plan isn't to keep him, it's just timing. His lower cap hold next summer is key. As I said, this was as expected.

It really could be. It could also be that they want to keep him in a very flexible trade state, too. His constant mentions in trade rumors won't make him any cheaper for Utah to keep either, as he'll probably be less likely to give any sort of an "incumbent discount"?

All true, but I think they see the flexibility as worth the risk and will be comfortable meeting whatever the market demands he be paid.

[Scoot McGroot]

No.

By not extending him now it doesn't mean that the plan isn't to keep him, it's just timing. His lower cap hold next summer is key. As I said, this was as expected.

It really could be. It could also be that they want to keep him in a very flexible trade state, too. His constant mentions in trade rumors won't make him any cheaper for Utah to keep either, as he'll probably be less likely to give any sort of an "incumbent discount"?

All true, but I think they see the flexibility as worth the risk and will be comfortable meeting whatever the market demands he be paid.

Could be. He could also be next year's Kuminga situation?

It's just a dangerously thin line to walk. Players can be professional and understand how the business works, but also just hate being constantly in trade mentions/talks?

[Godaddycurse]

It really could be. It could also be that they want to keep him in a very flexible trade state, too. His constant mentions in trade rumors won't make him any cheaper for Utah to keep either, as he'll probably be less likely to give any sort of an "incumbent discount"?

All true, but I think they see the flexibility as worth the risk and will be comfortable meeting whatever the market demands he be paid.

Could be. He could also be next year's Kuminga situation?

It's just a dangerously thin line to walk. Players can be professional and understand how the business works, but also just hate being constantly in trade mentions/talks?

there will be more teams with capspace and a need at C next year (washington, charlotte, chicago). I think Kessler will be fine in RFA.. Unless you mean he will be like kuminga in asking out? i dont think he would though since he has a clear (starting) role in Utah

[Scoot McGroot]

All true, but I think they see the flexibility as worth the risk and will be comfortable meeting whatever the market demands he be paid.

Could be. He could also be next year's Kuminga situation?

It's just a dangerously thin line to walk. Players can be professional and understand how the business works, but also just hate being constantly in trade mentions/talks?

there will be more teams with capspace and a need at C next year (washington, charlotte, chicago). I think Kessler will be fine in RFA.. Unless you mean he will be like kuminga in asking out? i dont think he would though since he has a clear (starting) role in Utah

I meant in that he might be a restricted free agency that isn’t easy for the incumbent team.

I think other teams may be willing to make offers, so that speeds up. I also think the Ainge’s will do everything to try and feign power of “matching all offers while simultaneously listening to stronger offers”, and it will just lead to a bit of a drawn out, or more expensive free agency and than Utah desires.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I'm sure the Jazz and Kessler have already illegally agreed to a contract that just hasn't been signed yet to preserve cap flexibility. Kessler's annoying dad would be melting down otherwise as the Jazz have focused a lot on sabotaging Kessler's career.

[Ron Swanson]

Utah has seemingly wanted to trade Kessler ever since they drafted him. I really don't understand their rationale at this point. Ainge already sat on the Lauri asset for too long (culminating in his comments about being frustrated with "tanking" last year) and that roster still looks devoid of blue-chip talent/upside heading into Year-4 of the rebuild (I like Bailey but we'll see). It may be a prudent financial play in the end, but how much bad blood is worth saving money on contract dollars and does Kessler even wanna be there anymore given how much he's constantly been in trade rumors?

[SkyHook]

I'm sure the Jazz and Kessler have already illegally agreed to a contract that just hasn't been signed yet to preserve cap flexibility. Kessler's annoying dad would be melting down otherwise as the Jazz have focused a lot on sabotaging Kessler's career.

Ah, how I've missed this conspiracy theory nonsense.