Trades and Transactions 2025 V

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

This fantasy 10% number comes from the first year of the new (2023) CBA, when teams over the first apron but below the second apron, were allowed to take back up to 110% of outgoing salary. Nothing to do with incoming salary. That number decreased to 100% in the second (2024-2025) year and is still the same this (next) year.

[KnixinSix]

My understanding is a little different. The Knicks can't take back more salary than they send out. Utah can.

So shipping Deuce , Dadiet and Kolek for Kessler is fine. You need to fill the two roster spots you lose, but that deal gives you the space to pay vet min contracts rather than Dadiet and Kolek.

Knicks also need to take back salary within 10% of what they give out.

They really do not. The rule for teams between the first and second aprons is that they cannot take back more salary than they send out. There's nothing about having to take back salary in the CBA that I can find. If you have some source, please post it.

Eg, try this summary of the CBA apron rules. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/01/hoops-rumors-glossary-tax-aprons-2.html

I stand corrected. Since Utah is under 1st Apron we can send out more salary to them in the trade and not need to be within 10% of salary coming back.

[KnixinSix]

This fantasy 10% number comes from the first year of the new (2023) CBA, when teams over the first apron but below the second apron, were allowed to take back up to 110% of outgoing salary. Nothing to do with incoming salary. That number decreased to 100% in the second (2024-2025) year and is still the same this (next) year.

If Ainge is willing to play ball the Kessler deal makes a lot of sense.

McBride is a good defensive player on a great contract and would bring needed defense to their backcourt. Dadiet is a very intriguing prospect whom Ainge had in for a workout. Kolek has some potential as a passing PG as well. Add in one of our few remaining 1st round picks and a couple 2nds and I think it makes sense. Kessler being CAA as we've seen also helps.

[KnixinSix]

KAT trade happened on Oct 2. It certainly doesn't feel like another move will happen (like Kessler, Bron or Giannis) but I guess we will see.

IMO this team is still a bit light on defense especially with Mitch so injury prone and probably needing to be load managed.

Kessler is probably the perfect complement to KAT in the frontcourt.

Kessler
KAT
OG
Bridges
Brunson

If you play Brunson and KAT like 32 minutes in regular season on average.....If you stagger them well they only need to be playing together 16 minutes on the court.


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KAT
OG
Bridges
McBride
Brunson

And the time we have them out there it together should be 3 strong defenders with them no matter what.

[Dave_R]

If KAT lets players 4" to 6" shorter them him guard him in the playoffs, getting Kessler won't matter. KAT needs to assert himself.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[BKlutch]

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Hoping Schwinny the Pooh is right about this. As is always the case recently, unless Leon suddenly becomes a blabbermouth, we really won't know anything for certain until it happens.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[thebuzzardman]

I'd rather it be Kolek than Dadiet, as Dadiet at least represents prototypical wing size, while with Kolek, the Knicks don't really need to develop a young PG for another few years. If it has to be one or the other.

Not sure Shamet is worth the move, but I could see a team that's trying to be all in doing something like this.

Then again, Leon sacrificed Grimes for Burks and Burks\Bogs and they kind of sucked.

[TheGreenArrow]

I'd rather it be Kolek than Dadiet, as Dadiet at least represents prototypical wing size, while with Kolek, the Knicks don't really need to develop a young PG for another few years. If it has to be one or the other.

Not sure Shamet is worth the move, but I could see a team that's trying to be all in doing something like this.

Then again, Leon sacrificed Grimes for Burks and Burks\Bogs and they kind of sucked.

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[Spree2Houston]

McBride >> 30 games of Brogdon

[knicks1999]

We won’t hear anything until the Knicks are back in NY….no way the trade them guys while they are overseas…plus,they need to make sure Shamet and Brogdon are healthy

[Capn'O]

I'd rather it be Kolek than Dadiet, as Dadiet at least represents prototypical wing size, while with Kolek, the Knicks don't really need to develop a young PG for another few years. If it has to be one or the other.

Not sure Shamet is worth the move, but I could see a team that's trying to be all in doing something like this.

Then again, Leon sacrificed Grimes for Burks and Burks\Bogs and they kind of sucked.

The problem is I doubt Kolek is highly sought after.

[thebuzzardman]

I'd rather it be Kolek than Dadiet, as Dadiet at least represents prototypical wing size, while with Kolek, the Knicks don't really need to develop a young PG for another few years. If it has to be one or the other.

Not sure Shamet is worth the move, but I could see a team that's trying to be all in doing something like this.

Then again, Leon sacrificed Grimes for Burks and Burks\Bogs and they kind of sucked.

The problem is I doubt Kolek is highly sought after.

Not sure if they can attach a pick (some 2nd rounder) and trade him into a cap space team. I guess that's not allowed. If it was, I'd do that.

As far as Dadiet goes, Knicks just drafted another big wing. And picked up Dink Pate. MAYBE they feel that's enough for the developmental pipeline and they'd be willing to sacrifice Dadiet for that vet.

For as limited a role that Shamet is going to play, I wouldn't trade Dadiet, but not sure what the thought process is.

And trading Deuce is just dumb and I'd only assume any rumors are based on the Knicks dangling him, but only it some scenario they see as a clear win, like Keon Ellis (not sure I see it as a win) or in some weird Kessler deal.

Meaning, they'll listen to offers on Deuce but aren't actively looking to move him.
Moving Deuce would also be dumb, and I'm aware of what he does well as well as his limitations.

[KnixinSix]

I'd rather it be Kolek than Dadiet, as Dadiet at least represents prototypical wing size, while with Kolek, the Knicks don't really need to develop a young PG for another few years. If it has to be one or the other.

Not sure Shamet is worth the move, but I could see a team that's trying to be all in doing something like this.

Then again, Leon sacrificed Grimes for Burks and Burks\Bogs and they kind of sucked.

The problem is I doubt Kolek is highly sought after.

Not sure if they can attach a pick (some 2nd rounder) and trade him into a cap space team. I guess that's not allowed. If it was, I'd do that.

As far as Dadiet goes, Knicks just drafted another big wing. And picked up Dink Pate. MAYBE they feel that's enough for the developmental pipeline and they'd be willing to sacrifice Dadiet for that vet.

For as limited a role that Shamet is going to play, I wouldn't trade Dadiet, but not sure what the thought process is.

And trading Deuce is just dumb and I'd only assume any rumors are based on the Knicks dangling him, but only it some scenario they see as a clear win, like Keon Ellis (not sure I see it as a win) or in some weird Kessler deal.

Meaning, they'll listen to offers on Deuce but aren't actively looking to move him.
Moving Deuce would also be dumb, and I'm aware of what he does well as well as his limitations.

With our current roster, I don't like trading elite/near elite level defenders unless I am getting one back. I dont want Duece traded unless its for a stud defender back.

[spree2kawhi]

The problem is I doubt Kolek is highly sought after.

Not sure if they can attach a pick (some 2nd rounder) and trade him into a cap space team. I guess that's not allowed. If it was, I'd do that.

As far as Dadiet goes, Knicks just drafted another big wing. And picked up Dink Pate. MAYBE they feel that's enough for the developmental pipeline and they'd be willing to sacrifice Dadiet for that vet.

For as limited a role that Shamet is going to play, I wouldn't trade Dadiet, but not sure what the thought process is.

And trading Deuce is just dumb and I'd only assume any rumors are based on the Knicks dangling him, but only it some scenario they see as a clear win, like Keon Ellis (not sure I see it as a win) or in some weird Kessler deal.

Meaning, they'll listen to offers on Deuce but aren't actively looking to move him.
Moving Deuce would also be dumb, and I'm aware of what he does well as well as his limitations.

With our current roster, I don't like trading elite/near elite level defenders unless I am getting one back. I dont want Duece traded unless its for a stud defender back.

I don’t see another trade coming honestly. If it was for Kessler, I’d welcome it, but other than that, McBride will be a a great player for us.

[KnixinSix]

Not sure if they can attach a pick (some 2nd rounder) and trade him into a cap space team. I guess that's not allowed. If it was, I'd do that.

As far as Dadiet goes, Knicks just drafted another big wing. And picked up Dink Pate. MAYBE they feel that's enough for the developmental pipeline and they'd be willing to sacrifice Dadiet for that vet.

For as limited a role that Shamet is going to play, I wouldn't trade Dadiet, but not sure what the thought process is.

And trading Deuce is just dumb and I'd only assume any rumors are based on the Knicks dangling him, but only it some scenario they see as a clear win, like Keon Ellis (not sure I see it as a win) or in some weird Kessler deal.

Meaning, they'll listen to offers on Deuce but aren't actively looking to move him.
Moving Deuce would also be dumb, and I'm aware of what he does well as well as his limitations.

With our current roster, I don't like trading elite/near elite level defenders unless I am getting one back. I dont want Duece traded unless its for a stud defender back.

I don’t see another trade coming honestly. If it was for Kessler, I’d welcome it, but other than that, McBride will be a a great player for us.

Kessler is the guy you'd like to see. KAT really needs a defensive counterbalance at the 5 to protect him.

[ctorres]

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Grimes can shoot the 3 and he can play defense at a higher level than Hart. Hart is a reluctant shooter ...that hurts at the 2/3 spot in today's NBA.

I swear some of you guys will only appreciate J Hart when he's gone... We don't deserve nice things lol

The question posed is would you take current Grimes over Hart. Just because the answer is yes in Mike Browns offense doesn't mean I/we don't think Hart has value. Grimes is a very good fit for this current squad under Mike Brown.

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I don't know if Grimes would want to go back to NY.

A package of McBride, Dadiet, and Kolek or Hukporti would work for Grimes.

[Wildcat]

I swear some of you guys will only appreciate J Hart when he's gone... We don't deserve nice things lol

The question posed is would you take current Grimes over Hart. Just because the answer is yes in Mike Browns offense doesn't mean I/we don't think Hart has value. Grimes is a very good fit for this current squad under Mike Brown.

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I don't know if Grimes would want to go back to NY.

A package of McBride, Dadiet, and Kolek or Hukporti would work for Grimes.

Wow, he caved, huh?

[ctorres]

The question posed is would you take current Grimes over Hart. Just because the answer is yes in Mike Browns offense doesn't mean I/we don't think Hart has value. Grimes is a very good fit for this current squad under Mike Brown.

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I don't know if Grimes would want to go back to NY.

A package of McBride, Dadiet, and Kolek or Hukporti would work for Grimes.

Wow, he caved, huh?

Taking the QO just like Cam Thomas

I wonder how likely it is for either of them to get traded.