Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[TB]

Aaron Turner in damage control after another awful offseason at his job.

Turner screwed up his long-term deal but at least he didnt get stuck on the QO. Not sure why so many people on here want Kuminga to be punished for his free agency timing and bad agent. As long as we get Melton and Seth i’m happy JK gets as much as possible while also Dubs having flexibility with trades and the team option. This should be a win/win.

Nobody here "wants Kuminga to be punished." Warriors fans don't want the team to overpay for a player and end up with an big unmovable contract. That kind of mistake can be the difference between playoff contention and being a lottery team. It can also cost you draft assets just to unload that kind of mistake. Fortunately, management properly assessed Kuminga's market value, stuck to their guns and called every bluff Kuminga's agent offered up. It would be nuts for any Dubs fan to not to be pleased with the job management did with this negotiation.

I agree with all of this. Its a great deal for the warriors (if my point about Melton/Seth still works out). I just think Kuminga’s agent has been so bad at his job that its caused alot of warriors fans to turn on JK a bit. Like Steph/Dray said though, once this stuff is done with and they are on the court, it all should be fine.

Perfect world Kuminga takes a huge leap and we use that team option.

But even without that (and the likely scenario), that contract could be perfect for matching an all-star level players deal while adding picks and MLE level contracts.

[statsman]

Charania is reporting that Golden State increased its two-year offer by a total of $8MM during negotiations and gave Kuminga a 15% trade kicker.

The first part doesn't match up to any of the media reports that were released over the months. The trade kicker makes the first season a bit higher than on a standard 2/48.5, which confuses me because I don't see how they fit Seth under the 2nd apron.

I think I have figured it out. Or maybe I don't. LOL!

Anyway, with a $22.5M starting salary, Horford gets his full TPMLE, Seth is signed to the 15th roster spot, leaving the Warriors $508K below the 2nd apron.

The second season, the team option, is $24.3M (8% raise). That gets to a $46.8M total, which is what I understood to be a 2-year deal starting at $22.5M.

The 15% trade kicker is applied at the time of a trade. It is applied to all guaranteed seasons, and since the 2nd season is a team option, the 15% trade kicker would be applied to the 1st season only.

If a trade occurs in the middle of a season, the trade kicker is pro-rated. Since Kuminga can't be traded until January 15th at the earliest, and that's pretty close to the halfway point in the season, the trade kicker (bonus) would amount to half of the full amount.

So, 15% of $22.5M is $3.375M. Half of that is $1.6875M (call it $1.7M), which would be the bonus the Warriors would pay and have to include in this season's team salary. $46.8M plus $1.7M equals $48.5M. At least that's how I get to that number.

Now, while the trade bonus in of itself would take the Warriors over the 2nd apron, his salary would simultaneously be traded away. The Warriors would need to account for that bonus plus any incoming salary from a trade to ensure they don't exceed the 2nd apron.

Now, I wonder how much of this I have wrong?

[Twinkie defense]

"The deal has a team option designed for the contract to be ripped up and renegotiated next summer."

I guess the idea is that a team will trade for Kuminga, and instead of exercising the option will negotiate a new, longer-term deal.

Of course that's the team's choice to exercise or decline the option.

[TB]

"The deal has a team option designed for the contract to be ripped up and renegotiated next summer."

I guess the idea is that a team will trade for Kuminga, and instead of exercising the option will negotiate a new, longer-term deal.

Of course that's the team's choice to exercise or decline the option.

That sounds like it was from the Shams convo with Aaron Turner so I think thats pure angry damage control after not getting what they wanted.

[Samurai]

HoopsHype reporting that Horford's contract comes with a 2nd year player option. Figure that Kuminga and Turner can't be thrilled about Horford getting the PO that JK wanted.

[Twinkie defense]

Maybe Al gave up half a mil so Steph's brother could play with them.

[Old_Blue]

HoopsHype reporting that Horford's contract comes with a 2nd year player option. Figure that Kuminga and Turner can't be thrilled about Horford getting the PO that JK wanted.

Kuminga and Turner being upset that they weren't treated like a well respected 18 year vet and his agent would fit perfectly with the image Kuminga and Turner painted of themselves this offseason.

[statsman]

Maybe Al gave up half a mil so Steph's brother could play with them.

If I have the numbers correct in post #3802, no discount was needed by Horford.

[Ilovethebay]

A lot of revisionist history going on here. Both sides compromised.

[Twinkie defense]

HoopsHype reporting that Horford's contract comes with a 2nd year player option. Figure that Kuminga and Turner can't be thrilled about Horford getting the PO that JK wanted.

If Kuminga wanted to sign for $5.7 mil maybe he could get a PO lol.

[Twinkie defense]

A lot of revisionist history going on here. Both sides compromised.

Well Warriors gave a little extra money but no player option, and they got their trade chip. Kuminga didn't gain much new in negotiations but then again he never had a lot of leverage. RFA is designed to give the team and not the player the leverage.

[EvanZ]

A lot of revisionist history going on here. Both sides compromised.

What was the compromise the FO made? They literally offered 1+1 at the beginning of free agency.

[azwfan]

Really sad day. Came up short on 200 pages. Really overestimated the level of degenerates we had round here.

The one plus is that there should be some entertaining posts round Jan 15, see ya then!

[Old_Blue]

A lot of revisionist history going on here. Both sides compromised.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Aaron Turner in damage control after another awful offseason at his job.

Turner screwed up his long-term deal but at least he didnt get stuck on the QO. Not sure why so many people on here want Kuminga to be punished for his free agency timing and bad agent. As long as we get Melton and Seth i’m happy JK gets as much as possible while also Dubs having flexibility with trades and the team option. This should be a win/win.

Nobody here "wants Kuminga to be punished." Warriors fans don't want the team to overpay for a player and end up with an big unmovable contract. That kind of mistake can be the difference between playoff contention and being a lottery team. It can also cost you draft assets just to unload that kind of mistake. Fortunately, management properly assessed Kuminga's market value, stuck to their guns and called every bluff Kuminga's agent offered up. It would be nuts for any Dubs fan to not to be pleased with the job management did with this negotiation.

I agree with all of this. Its a great deal for the warriors (if my point about Melton/Seth still works out). I just think Kuminga’s agent has been so bad at his job that its caused alot of warriors fans to turn on JK a bit. Like Steph/Dray said though, once this stuff is done with and they are on the court, it all should be fine.

Perfect world Kuminga takes a huge leap and we use that team option.

But even without that (and the likely scenario), that contract could be perfect for matching an all-star level players deal while adding picks and MLE level contracts.

For jk,it's not even about a huge leap.

Its about buying in and playing as a member of stephs team instead of expecting everyone else to be playing on kumingas team.

Play within the flow. Rebound, defend, hit your spot up 3s, and cut to the rim.

These are all things he can do, he's just refused to do them consistently.

IMO, best stint of jks career was just before his injury. I thought he, steph, and wiggins started clicking. He was doing all the little things and playing off of others. Then the lack of spacing with jimmy and dray just killed him.

[marthafokker]

Maybe Al gave up half a mil so Steph's brother could play with them.

If I have the numbers correct in post #3802, no discount was needed by Horford.

I heard Seth coming in on camp deal to be cut. Then sign on 11/15. to get under the apron.

[statsman]

Maybe Al gave up half a mil so Steph's brother could play with them.

If I have the numbers correct in post #3802, no discount was needed by Horford.

I heard Seth coming in on camp deal to be cut. Then sign on 11/15. to get under the apron.

Unnecessary. Not sure why they would do this.

[Old_Blue]

If I have the numbers correct in post #3802, no discount was needed by Horford.

I heard Seth coming in on camp deal to be cut. Then sign on 11/15. to get under the apron.

Unnecessary. Not sure why they would do this.

Why would you NOT want to work on team chemistry for as long a possible prior to the start of the season?

[statsman]

I heard Seth coming in on camp deal to be cut. Then sign on 11/15. to get under the apron.

Unnecessary. Not sure why they would do this.

Why would you NOT want to work on team chemistry for as long a possible prior to the start of the season?

You keep reading the worst into everything. They don't need to do it because they have enough space below the 2nd apron to sign Seth for a *FULL* season.

Everyone is jumping the gun guessing without an official release of the contract. All we have are three parts of the contract: (1) 2/48.5, as indicated by Kuminga's agent; (2) a starting salary of $22.5M, as indicated by an ESPN report; and (3) a reported 15% trade kicker. I come up with only one way where all three can be true at the same time.

[Old_Blue]

Unnecessary. Not sure why they would do this.

Why would you NOT want to work on team chemistry for as long a possible prior to the start of the season?

You keep reading the worst into everything. They don't need to do it because they have enough space below the 2nd apron to sign Seth for a *FULL* season.

Everyone is jumping the gun guessing without an official release of the contract. All we have are three parts of the contract: (1) 2/48.5, as indicated by Kuminga's agent; (2) a starting salary of $22.5M, as indicated by an ESPN report; and (3) a reported 15% trade kicker. I come up with only one way where all three can be true at the same time.

What are you going on about? Why does everything have to be your way or the highway?