Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks

[FrieAaron]

My sports fandom has taken a dip as I've gotten older. I still watch every Bucks/Brewers/Packers game that I can. I can honestly say though that if Giannis is gone I think my Bucks fandom could easily slip further and further away into eventual nothingness. I just have no confidence they'll ever luck into another guy like Giannis. They won a title off his greatness and in spite of themselves. A competent org has multiple rings with the guy. I am forever grateful for the title. Top 10 moment in my life. But when the freak goes, that might be a wrap for me. Not out of protest or anger, but likely just consistent building apathy.

I don't know. We had the best team in the league for like a four year stretch. It's hard to win a ring normally but add in COVID/Bubble/Riots, back injury, dames Achilles, blowing a 2-0 lead in ECF, etc. it's not like we were the KG wolves. The team made some bad moves but also tried making good movies and threw a ton of money into the pot every year. Half the mistakes were compromises to keep Giannis happy.

You have to go back 8 years before you find a team that has won multiple championships (Cleveland) and even going back 11 years they're the only one that has done it. I think the new CBA has basically done it's job in creating parity and it's simply much harder to do now. I agree that Giannis is an all-time great, but Denver still only has one with Jokic as well.

[humanrefutation]

I don't think Giannis is oblivious to the fact that we've been knocked out of the first round largely due to series-altering injuries, from Giannis to Khris to Dame.

The real issue is that our general manager isn't good at identifying talent and our coaches have sucked at cultivating it.

[Daver]

Lol just saw a article on BR thst said miami was willing to offer a bam-less package for giannis.....bam less ffs miami is 1 team besides bsm that has nothing and i mean nothing to offer

[Daver]

I don't think Giannis is oblivious to the fact that we've been knocked out of the first round largely due to series-altering injuries, from Giannis to Khris to Dame.

The real issue is that our general manager isn't good at identifying talent and our coaches have sucked at cultivating it.

Agree with bud being the ring leader he had the best record like what 4 years in a row n got bubkis to show for it.Tslk about not cultivating talent.

[raferfenix]

Please explain what did the bucks do on media day to piss him off.
Giannis has been doing nothing but mentioning how much he likes the turner signing n thinks this team has gotten faster n better.

Edens emphasizing Giannis committed to the team in June put Giannis on the spot to say "all the Shams reporting was incorrect."

He did the opposite.

The timing of this Shams piece also makes it seem like Giannis recently had someone leak info about the Horst meeting in July and talks with the Knicks.

Either way I share your high hopes that the team will be so good that it makes all this moot!

And if any of Shams' reporting is incorrect (extremely possible he's puffed it up!) Giannis could clarify at any point.

[ReasonablySober]

This is really, really good.

[BroncoBuck]

The new CBA makes it so hard to shed salary I’d just call the Knicks bluff on being able to sign him in free agency.

[PG Graveyard]

Notice how the NBA writers with actual sources like Stein are not jumping on this? Shams is a sham.

I’m sure there will be about eleventy billion podcasts about it by tomorrow

[fansinceforever]

I mean, If we suck this probably becomes more and more real.

Just don't suck.

[Ron Swanson]

I mean, for anyone thinking “if we’re not contenders this year he’s gone” then it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind cuz that sounds like 100% cope.

[BroncoBuck]

I mean, for anyone thinking “if we’re not contenders this year he’s gone” then it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind cuz that sounds like 100% cope.

When is the last time a star demanding a trade out resulted in a title? AD bubble ring? And even that was more so joining debatably the best player of all time, not just another star. Kawhi didn’t demand to go to Toronto, that’s just where he ended up.

The monkey paw curls more often than not for these superstars getting their wish.

[DanoMac]

I mean, for anyone thinking “if we’re not contenders this year he’s gone” then it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind cuz that sounds like 100% cope.

When is the last time a star demanding a trade out resulted in a title? AD bubble ring? And even that was more so joining debatably the best player of all time, not just another star. Kawhi didn’t demand to go to Toronto, that’s just where he ended up.

The monkey paw curls more often than not for these superstars getting their wish.

Probably Kobe to answer your question

[th87]

Giannis moving the family to Greece was the sign that things are all but over in Milwaukee. With nothing tethering him to the town he's gonna be free to play wherever he wants. Hell, an East coast team means shorter flights to Europe.

By like 90 minutes, come on.

But yeah, the rest seems ominous.

[emunney]

I mean, for anyone thinking “if we’re not contenders this year he’s gone” then it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind cuz that sounds like 100% cope.

When is the last time a star demanding a trade out resulted in a title? AD bubble ring? And even that was more so joining debatably the best player of all time, not just another star. Kawhi didn’t demand to go to Toronto, that’s just where he ended up.

The monkey paw curls more often than not for these superstars getting their wish.

Probably Kobe to answer your question

If the criteria is "star demands a trade", that's a very small group, so it's not surprising that it doesn't often result in a title. In the last decade, probably half the instances are Jimmy Butler. Kawhi does count, though. If the criteria is "star demands a trade to a specific team and gets his wish", how often does *that* happen? I feel like *all* of those instances might be Jimmy Butler. Probably why he keeps doing it.

[emunney]

Giannis moving the family to Greece was the sign that things are all but over in Milwaukee. With nothing tethering him to the town he's gonna be free to play wherever he wants. Hell, an East coast team means shorter flights to Europe.

By like 90 minutes, come on.

But yeah, the rest seems ominous.

I don't think it was ever his family that tied him to Milwaukee. He was always going to be able to move them to wherever. To the extent this is a negative thing w/r/t his plans, it's as a sign or a symptom, not as a catalyst. Personally think it's a negative thing primarily because they are all going to be sad.

[emunney]

This is really, really good.

Yep, it is.

[Matches Malone]

ESPN getting back to the basics.

Read on Twitter

I'm guessing we're going to keep seeing/hearing this heavily to start the year. Really odd timing for this to all get leaked now and does nobody any favors. I love Giannis, but this is partially on him for letting it get this distracting. For someone who says they don't like the drama...

[th87]

Giannis moving the family to Greece was the sign that things are all but over in Milwaukee. With nothing tethering him to the town he's gonna be free to play wherever he wants. Hell, an East coast team means shorter flights to Europe.

By like 90 minutes, come on.

But yeah, the rest seems ominous.

I don't think it was ever his family that tied him to Milwaukee. He was always going to be able to move them to wherever. To the extent this is a negative thing w/r/t his plans, it's as a sign or a symptom, not as a catalyst. Personally think it's a negative thing primarily because they are all going to be sad.

Yeah agree, I mean more from a standpoint of how long he wants to remain an NBA player.

Getting Greece the medal probably stirred up feelings.

[th87]

Apparently a screenshot from Giannis' IG:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/1o0myrf/giannis_response_to_the_noise_taken_from/

He seems to want his kids away from the public eye. And I wonder if the current ...situation... in the US has him thinking about contingencies.

[BroncoBuck]

When is the last time a star demanding a trade out resulted in a title? AD bubble ring? And even that was more so joining debatably the best player of all time, not just another star. Kawhi didn’t demand to go to Toronto, that’s just where he ended up.

The monkey paw curls more often than not for these superstars getting their wish.

Probably Kobe to answer your question

If the criteria is "star demands a trade", that's a very small group, so it's not surprising that it doesn't often result in a title. In the last decade, probably half the instances are Jimmy Butler. Kawhi does count, though. If the criteria is "star demands a trade to a specific team and gets his wish", how often does *that* happen? I feel like *all* of those instances might be Jimmy Butler. Probably why he keeps doing it.

I think there’s been quite a few “star demands trade” examples in the last 10 years

KD (multiple times)
AD (won the bubble)
Harden (multiple times)
Kyrie
Ben Simmons (lol)
Jimmy Butler (multiple times)
Dame (Oof)
Donovan Mitchell (confirmed a few months ago)
Paul George (out of Indy)
Kawhi (won in Toronto)

Then you go back to Melo, Deron Williams, CP3, Dwight, etc.

Obviously the team trading for the star has to gut their roster and takes away flexibility building around said star, so the results not being great isn’t surprising. Kawhi is such a special case because Toronto landed him at such an extreme discount, the true white whale of a star demanding a trade (expiring contract when everyone knew he was going to LA and the whole hamstring situation absolutely tanked his value). The Kawhi trade would be the equivalent of the Bucks trading Giannis and Bobby for Jaylen Brown, Sam Hauser and a pick lol.

I’m not even mad about Giannis potentially leaving, but these guys always say they want to leave to compete and it never seems to work out.