Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks

[Packbuckman]

Is there a chance that Giannis is helping Horat pump the value of our 31 1st and whatever swaps we have?

I bought into that theory a few years back. And think it was true. But now? No. Those 2031 and 2032 picks are so far out that Giannis is either retired or a non-factor in those years.

And those picks are so far out that frankly I’m not sure they’re worth that much to other teams either.

It's a fun theory but I just don't see Giannis as that much of a 3d chess guy. He's human and I bet the so called "noise" he's referring to with the media gets to him more than he likes to let on. If that's the case then we're running out the clock on the Giannis era because that will never stop. The media will forever hold it against him as long as he's here.

You know what ends all that noise is winning having a season that will shut up all the media. You don’t hear that much for jokic because they didn’t get knocked out in first round and to media it don’t matter who was hurt. I really like this team it has a lot of potential especially defensively.

[ReginaldDwight]

His “day by day” comment seems more in regards to leading the team.

Was struck more by the specificity of “Now, in 6 or 7 months if I change my mind, I think that’s human too”.

That timeline matches up exactly with an early playoff elimination in April or May.

Sounds like if he asks out it’d be before draft day. Which is only fair if the team would be stockpiling picks for another big trade by then.

if youre setting a "6-7 month timetable" while your also taking it "day by day"...thats talking out of both sides of your mouth. imagine any one of us pubically saying that in our organizations to the people we work with or for. its a massive dick move his quote. if id played with a guy like that id confront him.

Lol, imagine any of us working for the same organization for ten years and people getting pissed because we leave and want to live in a different city. 1. No one is asking me publicly what my plans are 2. Most people leave their jobs with a 2 weeks notice and the business gets no compensation.

Yeah you got a guaranteed contract worth 10's of million's of dollars at your gig? Apples to Oranges.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

if youre setting a "6-7 month timetable" while your also taking it "day by day"...thats talking out of both sides of your mouth. imagine any one of us pubically saying that in our organizations to the people we work with or for. its a massive dick move his quote. if id played with a guy like that id confront him.

Lol, imagine any of us working for the same organization for ten years and people getting pissed because we leave and want to live in a different city. 1. No one is asking me publicly what my plans are 2. Most people leave their jobs with a 2 weeks notice and the business gets no compensation.

Yeah you got a guaranteed contract worth 10's of million's of dollars at your gig? Apples to Oranges.

I wasn't the one that made the first comparison. I'm the one saying it's different.

In this day and age, I don't get why people think a guy like him should have some unbreakable loyalty to the Bucks* when he is just a human being. He's not from here, his family isn't from here, he didn't ask to come here. He has signed multiple contracts with us and gave us all he had that included a ring. As long as he leaves gracefully, there are no hard feelings

*Again, except for the abstract fans, who is he being loyal to? An owner, GM, coaches, teammates, training facility, stadium, workers, etc have all turned over since he has been here.

[humanrefutation]

He's literally spelling it out for us and being 100% honest. He's committed to the team this season. "In 6-7 months" that could change, i.e. if things really go south with this group, then maybe it's time to part ways. Again, people love to read between the lines on almost every quote and soundbite over the years.....except all the times he told you exactly what he was all about ("I want to be here as long as we can compete for championships") lol. He's never said he'd never leave. He's always said "things can change". To call him a flip-flopper is insane. Not believing his actions and words over the years is a choice.

Yeah, that's what I meant by earlier when I said that Giannis is almost too honest. He's being **** on by some fans here for not slamming the door on ever asking out, even though he's saying what we all pretty much knew.

I don't get the additional angst, frankly. He's up for an extension next fall. We knew that next summer was going to be the tipping point, one way or another. Maybe the team will surprise in a weak conference, and Horst will push the chips in again and pick up a difference maker that keeps Giannis here. Or, maybe we'll have another disappointing season, and Giannis will surprise absolutely no one by declining any extension offer and asking out.

But that's where we we've been since the season ended. So, what's everyone panicking about? Nothing has changed.

[soxperry]

Just watched the Giannis presser from today. I find it hard to read it any other way than he is committing full on for this entire season. 6 to 7 months from now is well after the trade deadline. it's basically the end of the season. so this is what we needed to hear and i'm very glad that he recognized that and did it. now we can move on and hope that we are able to put something together in order to keep him.

[Daver]

How many on this board think the bucks shold of been to at least 2 more finals.I raise my hsnd.2019 they beat toronto they are curb stomping tbe warriors n in 2022 if midds healthy they beat tje Cs n take care of busnuess in the finals also.

[Daver]

This was on X its by eric nehm.
Dont know when gisnnis ssid this but it shows 8 hours ago.

I’ve always wanted to be in Milwaukee. I always wanted to represent the city. As long as we have the opportunity to win and I feel like we have an opportunity to win…So I’m here. Milwaukee Bucks, I’m here." - Giannis Antetokounmpo

[Dick Tate]

Panic and angst? It’s just a discussion.
Yes Giannis is free to make another choice. The Bucks are also free to make another choice, possibly before Giannis does.

On with the season. Rah!

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Lol, imagine any of us working for the same organization for ten years and people getting pissed because we leave and want to live in a different city. 1. No one is asking me publicly what my plans are 2. Most people leave their jobs with a 2 weeks notice and the business gets no compensation.

Yeah you got a guaranteed contract worth 10's of million's of dollars at your gig? Apples to Oranges.

I wasn't the one that made the first comparison. I'm the one saying it's different.

In this day and age, I don't get why people think a guy like him should have some unbreakable loyalty to the Bucks* when he is just a human being. He's not from here, his family isn't from here, he didn't ask to come here. He has signed multiple contracts with us and gave us all he had that included a ring. As long as he leaves gracefully, there are no hard feelings

*Again, except for the abstract fans, who is he being loyal to? An owner, GM, coaches, teammates, training facility, stadium, workers, etc have all turned over since he has been here.

if anybody else on our team made comments like that theyd be mocked and thrown off the squad. your point is not made. if any of us were in any positions of leadership or on a team of people with specific long and short term goals and others were counting on us and we spoke this way we'd also get the side eye treatment.

no idea what kind of work youre in but obviously im referring to the types of employees that are actually important to their organizations. most arent and if thats you then thats why you might not be able to relate to my comment

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

He's literally spelling it out for us and being 100% honest. He's committed to the team this season. "In 6-7 months" that could change, i.e. if things really go south with this group, then maybe it's time to part ways. Again, people love to read between the lines on almost every quote and soundbite over the years.....except all the times he told you exactly what he was all about ("I want to be here as long as we can compete for championships") lol. He's never said he'd never leave. He's always said "things can change". To call him a flip-flopper is insane. Not believing his actions and words over the years is a choice.

Yeah, that's what I meant by earlier when I said that Giannis is almost too honest. He's being **** on by some fans here for not slamming the door on ever asking out, even though he's saying what we all pretty much knew.

I don't get the additional angst, frankly. He's up for an extension next fall. We knew that next summer was going to be the tipping point, one way or another. Maybe the team will surprise in a weak conference, and Horst will push the chips in again and pick up a difference maker that keeps Giannis here. Or, maybe we'll have another disappointing season, and Giannis will surprise absolutely no one by declining any extension offer and asking out.

But that's where we we've been since the season ended. So, what's everyone panicking about? Nothing has changed.

b0th you two are flat out wront. he has a gauranteed contract for the next two seasons and a player option after that. he comes out with the 6-7 month comment before this year hes being a straight up dick.

6-7 months what? then what giannis? what about 6-7 months?

talking like that is conduct detrimental to the team. dont try and defend it

[Ron Swanson]

He literally can't sign an extension right now. The 6-7 months thing is a throwaway comment because it's actually 12-months until he's eligible to re-sign, but the gist is the same ("we'll see" with this roster). Stop being so obtuse about it and doing everything you can to paint the most beloved franchise superstar ever as some sort of narcissistic locker room cancer.

[Coach Carter]

This is Giannis way of telling Horst that Kuzma sucks.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

He literally can't sign an extension right now. The 6-7 months thing is a throwaway comment because it's actually 12-months until he's eligible to re-sign, but the gist is the same ("we'll see" with this roster). Stop being so obtuse about it and doing everything you can to paint the most beloved franchise superstar ever as some sort of narcissistic locker room cancer.

Yeah, he's basically saying what we already knew based on the current situation. He is coming back, he is fully committed to leading this team and trying it from a different style. If it works, we are good and he signs the extension. If it doesn't, everyone is going to be looking in the mirror. Honestly, if I'm being obtuse I would be happy about the 6-7 months since if I was him it would be more of a February decision.

It never really made sense for the Bucks to even consider a Giannis trade this off-season. Next season, though, could be a different story. If we flame out in R1 again, I dont see the owners making another big splash (not even sure if they can). At that point I would ask to leave if I was Giannis and I would accommodate him if I was the owners.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

This is Giannis way of telling Horst that Kuzma sucks.

How do we pass that message along to Doc?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Yeah you got a guaranteed contract worth 10's of million's of dollars at your gig? Apples to Oranges.

I wasn't the one that made the first comparison. I'm the one saying it's different.

In this day and age, I don't get why people think a guy like him should have some unbreakable loyalty to the Bucks* when he is just a human being. He's not from here, his family isn't from here, he didn't ask to come here. He has signed multiple contracts with us and gave us all he had that included a ring. As long as he leaves gracefully, there are no hard feelings

*Again, except for the abstract fans, who is he being loyal to? An owner, GM, coaches, teammates, training facility, stadium, workers, etc have all turned over since he has been here.

if anybody else on our team made comments like that theyd be mocked and thrown off the squad. your point is not made. if any of us were in any positions of leadership or on a team of people with specific long and short term goals and others were counting on us and we spoke this way we'd also get the side eye treatment.

no idea what kind of work youre in but obviously im referring to the types of employees that are actually important to their organizations. most arent and if thats you then thats why you might not be able to relate to my comment

Again you are comparing it to something that doesn't exist in the real world. If you really want to go down that route. Despite his high salary, he is just player. He doesn't have decision-making powers. He is trying to use any leverage he has but at the end of the day it isnt his call. I see it all the time for higher up where if their projects dont get the resources or funding, they make it clear they wont stick around to watch something fail. Hell, even my wife made a comment to her boss and peers last month where she questioned if it is worth sticking for a project that is getting phased out.

Sports are just so f-ing weird and fans have weird loyalty expectations. We trade Jrue Holiday (you know the guy that was just here for 3 years) and there was bunch of sob stories from fans how bad they felt for him but no one mentions the other guy that was starting for us a couple years that got shipped out as a stray from that trade. At the end of the day, these guys are all mercenaries. i don't think any of those guys really follow this all that much. You think Gary Trent is freaking out if we trade Giannis? Maybe a little in that a significant part of his next contract is dependent on a deep playoff run. Basically only Kuz (who will try trading in a second), Turner (who just got here) and Bobby (Who we have tried trading multiple times) are on long-term deals. BASICALLY EVERYONE ON THIS WHOLE ROSTER IS "Well I'm committed to this team this year, but I could look elsewhere in 7 months" Name me one player on the team that expects to be here next year for sure. I just don't buy this has any impact on the guys competing this year.

[Ron Swanson]

I still would have preferred having the freedom to wait until next offseason to put all our cards on the table for one last big trade. We'd have our 2026 1st, 2031 1st, 2032 pick swap, and 2033 1st plus Kuzma/Bobby/Turner salaries, and hell, if Rollins breaks out that gives you another cheap prospect/asset to throw in. Part of the reason why I thought it was so essential to flip Kuzma for another depreciated asset type guy (preferably a guard or wing) this offseason as well.

But now, seems like we're on a collision course for a big deadline move and we just have to hope that a really good fit develops on the trade market in the next 4-months. I still think you could get away with maybe a minor Kuzma or Bobby move at the deadline while preserving your picks for a bigger fish in the summer of 2026, but this organization is probably too reactionary and freaked out about these Giannis developments. Bracing for something like a Wiggins trade in January where we "split the difference" and give up a pick swap or future first, with the idea that we can save the remaining 1-2 others for another offseason trade.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I still would have preferred having the freedom to wait until next offseason to put all our cards on the table for one last big trade. We'd have our 2026 1st, 2031 1st, 2032 pick swap, and 2033 1st plus Kuzma/Bobby/Turner salaries, and hell, if Rollins breaks out that gives you another cheap prospect/asset to throw in. Part of the reason why I thought it was so essential to flip Kuzma for another depreciated asset type guy (preferably a guard or wing) this offseason as well.

But now, seems like we're on a collision course for a big deadline move and we just have to hope that a really good fit develops on the trade market in the next 4-months. I still think you could get away with maybe a minor Kuzma or Bobby move at the deadline while preserving your picks for a bigger fish in the summer of 2026, but this organization is probably too reactionary and freaked out about these Giannis developments. Bracing for something like a Wiggins trade in January where we "split the difference" and give up a pick swap or future first, with the idea that we can save the remaining 1-2 others for another offseason trade.

Some of this will just be luck on who is available. Hopefully there are some cap causalities where we could get another AS level player. I just dont know who that would be.

[Licensed to Il]

I used to make a six hour drive from my childhood home to a cabin up north. Eventually your brain memorizes every landmark and turn. You get to the last section, and it triggers emotion that you are almost there and the ride is almost over. That is what this season feels like. We just got to Wausau and there is only 50 minutes of this drive, left.

[DingleJerry]

He literally can't sign an extension right now. The 6-7 months thing is a throwaway comment because it's actually 12-months until he's eligible to re-sign, but the gist is the same ("we'll see" with this roster). Stop being so obtuse about it and doing everything you can to paint the most beloved franchise superstar ever as some sort of narcissistic locker room cancer.

Yea how is it any less of a dick move to lie and blow sunshine up everyone's ass right now. Then next offseason say, "sorry, i only have a few elite years left and I don't think we can win titles anymore so I'm gonna ask for a trade to have one last chance before I retire". Basically, him being honest to me isn't being a dick. Some might remember I've been for years here to roll my eyes here at all the stars over the years that say all the BS PR lines even though we all know they're full of it. Most people say they're full of it and make fun of them for lying. Now, when a guy basically tells the truth instead of PR speak, we still bash him. Guys can't win.

[humanrefutation]

I still would have preferred having the freedom to wait until next offseason to put all our cards on the table for one last big trade. We'd have our 2026 1st, 2031 1st, 2032 pick swap, and 2033 1st plus Kuzma/Bobby/Turner salaries, and hell, if Rollins breaks out that gives you another cheap prospect/asset to throw in. Part of the reason why I thought it was so essential to flip Kuzma for another depreciated asset type guy (preferably a guard or wing) this offseason as well.

But now, seems like we're on a collision course for a big deadline move and we just have to hope that a really good fit develops on the trade market in the next 4-months. I still think you could get away with maybe a minor Kuzma or Bobby move at the deadline while preserving your picks for a bigger fish in the summer of 2026, but this organization is probably too reactionary and freaked out about these Giannis developments. Bracing for something like a Wiggins trade in January where we "split the difference" and give up a pick swap or future first, with the idea that we can save the remaining 1-2 others for another offseason trade.

The worst thing they could do is kneecap their ability to make a big move next summer by trading some of their chips for a non-difference-maker this season.

Barring a finals trip, I think, we're going into next offseason with serious questions about Giannis's commitment to Milwaukee going forward. Everyone will have to sit in a room and figure it out. Horst et al will need to have a plan to sell Giannis on making one big push. Giannis will have to decide whether that's enough to stay.

At that point, we'll have a sense of what the future of the conference looks like. Hali and Tatum will be on the way back. A post-Thibs Knicks will have season under their belt and a sense of whether they want to blow it up for Giannis. A Cavs team that disappointed last playoffs will have another run under their belt. Then you've got teams like Philly, Orlando, Detroit, and Atlanta that could go either way.

Giannis will be paying attention to all of that to gauge our chances, as will we when looking at potential suitors.

It'll be a hell of a ride.