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Re: Giannis Thread - "The Finals are different, I hope to be back soon with the Bucks" 

Post#1281 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Thu Oct 9, 2025 8:25 pm

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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Again you are comparing it to something that doesn't exist in the real world. If you really want to go down that route. Despite his high salary, he is just player. He doesn't have decision-making powers. He is trying to use any leverage he has but at the end of the day it isnt his call. I see it all the time for higher up where if their projects dont get the resources or funding, they make it clear they wont stick around to watch something fail. Hell, even my wife made a comment to her boss and peers last month where she questioned if it is worth sticking for a project that is getting phased out.

Sports are just so f-ing weird and fans have weird loyalty expectations. We trade Jrue Holiday (you know the guy that was just here for 3 years) and there was bunch of sob stories from fans how bad they felt for him but no one mentions the other guy that was starting for us a couple years that got shipped out as a stray from that trade. At the end of the day, these guys are all mercenaries. i don't think any of those guys really follow this all that much. You think Gary Trent is freaking out if we trade Giannis? Maybe a little in that a significant part of his next contract is dependent on a deep playoff run. Basically only Kuz (who will try trading in a second), Turner (who just got here) and Bobby (Who we have tried trading multiple times) are on long-term deals. BASICALLY EVERYONE ON THIS WHOLE ROSTER IS "Well I'm committed to this team this year, but I could look elsewhere in 7 months" Name me one player on the team that expects to be here next year for sure. I just don't buy this has any impact on the guys competing this year.


if anybody anywhere is in a leadership position taking money for an organization talking about how they arent going to stick around while it fails then they are a crap employee. that includes your wife if shes still cashing her check and talking that way out loud to those around her. if its just you thats different

if you want to use the term mercenary and make this more like a military example that makes my case stronger. there have been many leaders thru mankinds history that took mercenary armies against incredible odds where they literally gave their life to a cause and ....for money. id like to think for 120 million the next two years that giannis would be that kind of leader for this team. not this other thing hes prancing out. he literally thru the guy signing his checks directly under the bus. the owner says giannis is committed and giannis says he doesnt recall ever saying that? its gross. its literally **** gross


I'm not sure if your premise is accurate or not here, but I do know that nobody's sticking a dozen microphones in front of a Triple Canopy guy's face every day asking him about the Navy. If they did, you might get some musing from time to time.

I think people are reading way too much into the specifics of everything Giannis said here. He said he's here and he's locked in, and he said he doesn't know how he's going to feel in the future. The first part is good to hear and the second part is true for literally anybody who's honest with themselves, if a bit impolitic to say out loud. Like you don't start your wedding vows with, "So here's how I feel RIGHT NOW..."

But that's kind of the point. This isn't a union for life and that's by design. It's a union for as long as it's working. We want him to say he's here forever but saying that wouldn't make it true. So we're left with the same situation we had before: we hope it keeps working.


his family just checked out of wisconsin and he made the public statement that our owner has a weird memory...he needs to elaborate...in a good way....instead of the bad

you know how highly i think of your wisdom as it relates to this team. yours is greater than mine. but in this case im not wrong old wise friend
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1282 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Oct 9, 2025 8:28 pm

Dude, just say "I need Giannis to come out and explicitly say that he's a Buck forever and that he'll never ask for a trade because my emotional investment as a fan entirely depends on it. Anything short of that and I don't believe he's ever been committed to the franchise 100% so you might as well just trade him now because **** him".

I mean, that's at least the honest, TL:DR version of every rant I've seen. But does that make it sound any less insane of an expectation to hold any pro athlete to? Uhhh...

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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1283 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Thu Oct 9, 2025 8:39 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Dude, just say "I need Giannis to come out and explicitly say that he's a Buck forever and that he'll never ask for a trade because my emotional investment as a fan entirely depends on it. Anything short of that and I don't believe he's ever been committed to the franchise 100% so you might as well just trade him now because **** him".

I mean, that's at least the honest, TL:DR version of every rant I've seen. But does that make it sound any less insane of an expectation to hold any pro athlete to? Uhhh...

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its not so much that. im leading up to the real point.

id trade him for any other bucket getter in the league under 25 or so who has the feel for the modern game and wants to make a mark. not like a brandon jennings level guy obviously......but like the 10-15 guys in this league that are hungry, healthy, and have a superstar-ish future in the current league. like cade for example. straight up not even a question. baseline is they can stretch the floor. if they cant no thanks. thats a #2

giannis doesnt have a future man. not here or anywhere unless we "hook him up" in the right spot with the perfect sitch hed need to compete and maybe win #2 if the better teams all got injured and he had the matchup and everything he'd need like the last time

he isnt built for this man. he just isnt. hes westbrook but khris and circumstances got one for him ya know?
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1284 » by DingleJerry » Thu Oct 9, 2025 8:42 pm

I don't get how any of that would change if he lied to us right now.
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1285 » by humanrefutation » Thu Oct 9, 2025 8:43 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Dude, just say "I need Giannis to come out and explicitly say that he's a Buck forever and that he'll never ask for a trade because my emotional investment as a fan entirely depends on it. Anything short of that and I don't believe he's ever been committed to the franchise 100% so you might as well just trade him now because **** him".

I mean, that's at least the honest, TL:DR version of every rant I've seen. But does that make it sound any less insane of an expectation to hold any pro athlete to? Uhhh...

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its not so much that. im leading up to the real point.

id trade him for any other bucket getter in the league under 25 or so who wants to make a mark. not like a brandon jennings guy obviously. but like the 10-15 guys in this league that are hungry, healthy, and have a superstar-ish future. like cade for example. straight up not even a question.

giannis doesnt have a future man. not here or anywhere unless we "hook him up" in the right spot with the perfect sitch hed need to compete and maybe win #2 if the better teams all got injured and he had the matchup and everything he'd need like the last time

he isnt built for this man. he just isnt. hes westbrook but he got one ya know?


So, you want Giannis to be loyal to the Bucks no matter what, but you'd be willing to trade Giannis in a heartbeat for the right offer.
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1286 » by jakecronus8 » Thu Oct 9, 2025 8:44 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Dude, just say "I need Giannis to come out and explicitly say that he's a Buck forever and that he'll never ask for a trade because my emotional investment as a fan entirely depends on it. Anything short of that and I don't believe he's ever been committed to the franchise 100% so you might as well just trade him now because **** him".

I mean, that's at least the honest, TL:DR version of every rant I've seen. But does that make it sound any less insane of an expectation to hold any pro athlete to? Uhhh...

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What makes this time around feel different to me is that in the past Giannis has made much more committal statements like "as long as the Bucks are serious and making moves to compete for a championship I'm gonna be here," on top of all his Giannis being Giannis things like "This is my city", "loyalty in my dna," "I'm gonna be here so long that Milwaukee is gonna get sick of me," off the cuff comments.

Now its intentionally more open ended and more open to interpretation. I suspect there's more going on behind the scenes than we know about but as of now he's intending on leaving in the next year or two.

I'm caught somewhere between "I love you/thanks for everything" and "WTF, you're gonna leave after the org has made you the defacto gm and the cupboards are bare?"

Giannis is a lot more entitled and more diva than any of us ever wanted to admit. Just a shame. I didn't think it could end this way.
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1287 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Thu Oct 9, 2025 8:48 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Dude, just say "I need Giannis to come out and explicitly say that he's a Buck forever and that he'll never ask for a trade because my emotional investment as a fan entirely depends on it. Anything short of that and I don't believe he's ever been committed to the franchise 100% so you might as well just trade him now because **** him".

I mean, that's at least the honest, TL:DR version of every rant I've seen. But does that make it sound any less insane of an expectation to hold any pro athlete to? Uhhh...

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its not so much that. im leading up to the real point.

id trade him for any other bucket getter in the league under 25 or so who wants to make a mark. not like a brandon jennings guy obviously. but like the 10-15 guys in this league that are hungry, healthy, and have a superstar-ish future. like cade for example. straight up not even a question.

giannis doesnt have a future man. not here or anywhere unless we "hook him up" in the right spot with the perfect sitch hed need to compete and maybe win #2 if the better teams all got injured and he had the matchup and everything he'd need like the last time

he isnt built for this man. he just isnt. hes westbrook but he got one ya know?


So, you want Giannis to be loyal to the Bucks no matter what, but you'd be willing to trade Giannis in a heartbeat for the right offer.


absolutely. why should i be loyal when a guy is publically "year to year" calling our owner out as a liar. owners should be owners instead of covering for the players inadequacys you know?

but im not "year to year"....

at my age im more decade to decade.

but alot of it depends on the mildly dilated aorta i need to get checked every year now. boy or boy does that suck btw. hmmm...is my **** ascending aorta inflamed and maybe im at risk for sudden death tonight? who likes that thought right? :lol:

just give me FTD year after year. let me teach the grandkids how to be. but that was the best. the grandbabys would have liked that season. who can we trade to be our rookie Jennings on that team...omg....Giannis! he wants out anyway if it doesnt "all come together" lets just trade him for the next brightest guy that wants a legacy and doesnt mind it in milwaukee

imagine banchero here in that position. god....another decade of fun. but hes not the only one. the league is full of them
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1288 » by Sigra » Thu Oct 9, 2025 8:51 pm

So this will be his 13 season for Bucks.

Jordan gave 13 to Bulls
Magic gave 13 to Lakers
Bird gave 13 to Celtics

Thank you Giannis no matter what
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1289 » by DingleJerry » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:01 pm

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its not so much that. im leading up to the real point.

id trade him for any other bucket getter in the league under 25 or so who wants to make a mark. not like a brandon jennings guy obviously. but like the 10-15 guys in this league that are hungry, healthy, and have a superstar-ish future. like cade for example. straight up not even a question.

giannis doesnt have a future man. not here or anywhere unless we "hook him up" in the right spot with the perfect sitch hed need to compete and maybe win #2 if the better teams all got injured and he had the matchup and everything he'd need like the last time

he isnt built for this man. he just isnt. hes westbrook but he got one ya know?


So, you want Giannis to be loyal to the Bucks no matter what, but you'd be willing to trade Giannis in a heartbeat for the right offer.


absolutely. why should i be loyal when a guy is publically "year to year" calling our owner out as a liar. owners should be owners instead of covering for the players inadequacys you know?

but im not "year to year"....

at my age im more decade to decade.

but alot of it depends on the mildly dilated aorta i need to get checked every year now. boy or boy does that suck btw. hmmm...is my **** ascending aorta inflamed and maybe im at risk for sudden death tonight? who likes that thought right? :lol:

just give me FTD year after year. let me teach the grandkids how to be. but that was the best. the grandbabys would have liked that season. who can we trade to be our rookie Jennings on that team...omg....Giannis! he wants out anyway if it doesnt "all come together" lets just trade him for the next brightest guy that wants a legacy and doesnt mind it in milwaukee

imagine banchero here in that position. god....another decade of fun. but hes not the only one. the league is full of them


Only as long as Banchero lies to us every offseason and says he'll never leave?
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1290 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:03 pm

Sigra wrote:So this will be his 13 season for Bucks.

Jordan gave 13 to Bulls
Magic gave 13 to Lakers
Bird gave 13 to Celtics

Thank you Giannis no matter what


love this and its true....will adore the last 13 years as great times...

but doesnt change the fact the current situation is publically...with his entire fam in greece.....

im here but the owner is nutsack and in 6 months i could change my mind about the whole thing
but...i believe in these guys. i really believe in these guys. theyre good guys

thats the current sitch. its ok to look back at khris and bled and feel more optimism for those years. doesnt make you wrong tho. not at all. it was a hell of a run
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1291 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:04 pm

Giannis still being committed for this season, putting up monster, likely career high numbers across the board, and then if we suck/it doesn't work out, going to the front office and saying "sorry guys, I'm not gonna sign the extension right now because I don't have faith this roster can compete for titles unless something changes" is pretty much the biggest solid he can do for the franchise if this is how it has to unfortunately end.

You then have a 4-7 month window to oversee a bidding war and recoup a massive amount of assets to jump start the inevitable rebuild that you otherwise wouldn't have a chance to if he was some selfish **** loser like Lebron or KD who just lies about being loyal and then bolts at the first sign of adversity. How more people aren't seeing it this way is beyond me.
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1292 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:11 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Giannis still being committed for this season, putting up monster, likely career high numbers across the board, and then if we suck/it doesn't work out, going to the front office and saying "sorry guys, I'm not gonna sign the extension right now because I don't have faith this roster can compete for titles unless something changes" is pretty much the biggest solid he can do for the franchise if this is how it has to unfortunately end.

You then have a 4-7 month window to oversee a bidding war and recoup a massive amount of assets to jump start the inevitable rebuild that you otherwise wouldn't have a chance to if he was some selfish **** loser like Lebron or KD who just lies about being loyal and then bolts at the first sign of adversity. How more people aren't seeing it this way is beyond me.


im with you. thats what i thought we were getting into this year after the offseason. it never crossed my mind he would be half in which is my only issue. hes half in. theres only like a small smattering of basketball fans that see it any other way tho Ron. the bucks fans are homers on this one. hes half in this year. thats it. half in. the whole world sees it. im not sure why youre being curious about it? you are one of the sharp ones here!!
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1293 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:12 pm

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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Dude, just say "I need Giannis to come out and explicitly say that he's a Buck forever and that he'll never ask for a trade because my emotional investment as a fan entirely depends on it. Anything short of that and I don't believe he's ever been committed to the franchise 100% so you might as well just trade him now because **** him".

I mean, that's at least the honest, TL:DR version of every rant I've seen. But does that make it sound any less insane of an expectation to hold any pro athlete to? Uhhh...

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its not so much that. im leading up to the real point.

id trade him for any other bucket getter in the league under 25 or so who wants to make a mark. not like a brandon jennings guy obviously. but like the 10-15 guys in this league that are hungry, healthy, and have a superstar-ish future. like cade for example. straight up not even a question.

giannis doesnt have a future man. not here or anywhere unless we "hook him up" in the right spot with the perfect sitch hed need to compete and maybe win #2 if the better teams all got injured and he had the matchup and everything he'd need like the last time

he isnt built for this man. he just isnt. hes westbrook but he got one ya know?


So, you want Giannis to be loyal to the Bucks no matter what, but you'd be willing to trade Giannis in a heartbeat for the right offer.




if hes not 100% all in then abso-effing-lutely....like literally duh!!!!

hes older, expensive, injury prone, not ideal for the modern game, recent record of trey young level of massive failure.....so if hes not loyal then jesus what are people looking at here????

im going to repeat it...hes westbrook who got one.... thats it. thats what i believe and nobody will talk me out of that either. we could trade him for 15 guys in this league whod be better built for the next decade!!!! maybe more

his loyalty is the only reason id run it out with him!!!

but even if im wrong....if a guy is one foot in and one foot out. i just dont want that around my team. thats just me but i think most fans would agree there
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1294 » by raferfenix » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:22 pm

Sir Charles called out Giannis in no uncertain terms with a vehement defense of the Bucks:

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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1295 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:25 pm

sad that charles is a bigger bucks fan than some of the Giannis fanboys around here

i'll let it lie. point is made tho. damn
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1296 » by PG Graveyard » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:31 pm

raferfenix wrote:Sir Charles called out Giannis in no uncertain terms with a vehement defense of the Bucks:

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He makes a good point.
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1297 » by Dick Tate » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:41 pm

The 6-7 month 'might change my mind' thing isn't about the extension. The Bucks could win the Ring and he still tells Horst he doesn't want to sign an extension because he has every intention of playing in Greece when his contract expires. Bucks fans would understand.

BUT in reality, the 6-7 month thing is reserving the right to change his mind about playing for the Bucks next season. Since he's UNDER CONTRACT for next season, I can see how that would rub some folks the wrong way.
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1298 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:49 pm

Dick Tate wrote:The 6-7 month 'might change my mind' thing isn't about the extension. The Bucks could win the Ring and he still tells Horst he doesn't want to sign an extension because he has every intention of playing in Greece when his contract expires. Bucks fans would understand.

BUT in reality, the 6-7 month thing is reserving the right to change his mind about playing for the Bucks next season. Since he's UNDER CONTRACT for next season, I can see how that would rub some folks the wrong way.


so true...if his alternative is Greece or another challenge in life like trying to be a tight end for the NY Giants then **** yeah. i love that story. thats how a hannibal or alexander or napolean or scipio would have lived their lives.

if its the Knicks then **** you man. thats napolean deciding midstream the british were a better shot at being the greatest ever...or hannibal saying man the romans are where id rather be....because winning!

thats all the dork **** the other guys go for...so fine...be a dork too.... but accept the label bro. youre a dork if thats the plan
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1299 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:55 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:sad that charles is a bigger bucks fan than some of the Giannis fanboys around here

i'll let it lie. point is made tho. damn

One can be a Giannis "fanboy" and be a huge Bucks fan. It's not one or the other. You want to paint everything in absolute terms when sports is anything but.
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Re: Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks 

Post#1300 » by paulpressey25 » Thu Oct 9, 2025 9:56 pm

Just catching up on this stuff now. So now Shams is saying he’ll evaluate where the team is at come Christmas?
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