Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks

[Daver]

The Knicks do not have a package that would make it worth it to trade GA. It's that simple.

You dont think a KAT OG and ? is worth it

[Daver]

Explain to me how anything he's said or done indicates that his priority isn't competing for titles. Whether here or elsewhere.

The rumors about Giannis and New York have been around a long time.

What's different now is that Horst and the Knicks had a discussion and apparently that is the only team they did that with.

Assuming the above is true, the only reason would be that Giannis expressed interest in the Knicks (likely thru his agent).

If all Giannis was interested in was a championship, he wouldn't limit himself to the Knicks.

Yep. Knicks are not a good trade partner for Milwaukee if Giannis wants to win titles. They'd be gutted. San Antonio still remains the team that makes the most sense if he wants out and wants to be playing for titles.

For the Bucks, if NY is the only place Giannis wants to be then the Nets make more sense as a trade partner as they have literally 30 tradable picks at the moment.

The more I hear and put pieces together the more I believe:

1. Giannis does indeed want out.

2. Giannis doesn't want to be held accountable or blamed for asking out.

3. Something changed in the relationship between Giannis and the org and perhaps his family dynamic as well.

Less than ideal way to start the season. I feel bad for Turner/Bobby etc. They signed for under market value, assumingly because of Giannis' presence.

ImO screw the picks the draft is a very iffy thing.I want 3 starters just to start the conversation n SA doesnt have anything close to that.NY does KAT OG and hart or bridges.
Wheres this so called piece you found which tells you giannis wants out n thst he had some sort of falling out with the bucks brass.]

[DingleJerry]

Dylan Harper
Stephon Castle
Keldon Johnson
Harrison Barnes
2027 ATL unprotected 1st
2029 SAS unprotected 1st
2028 Swap rights between SAS/BOS
2031 Swap rights between SAS/SAC

That's at the very least gonna be what it takes. San Antonio can take it or leave it.

If that's on the table right now would you do it? I kind of think the writing is on the wall that MKE can't do better than a 4ish type seed the next few years of the end of Giannis' prime, and they're effed after. Add in good chance he asks out in the next year or two, plus he could get hurt. If a package that good is on the table its definitely the right move from a team building strategy type thing.

From a PR, personal, doing the write thing its a different discussion though.

[soxperry]

The Knicks do not have a package that would make it worth it to trade GA. It's that simple.

You dont think a KAT OG and ? is worth it

No.

[Daver]

Dylan Harper
Stephon Castle
Keldon Johnson
Harrison Barnes
2027 ATL unprotected 1st
2029 SAS unprotected 1st
2028 Swap rights between SAS/BOS
2031 Swap rights between SAS/SAC

That's at the very least gonna be what it takes. San Antonio can take it or leave it.

How many of those players are starters

[Daver]

I wouldn’t discount the Knicks entirely as we will want win now guys unless we get overwhelmed with picks. I can’t see Edens or Haslam wanting to deal with a full rebuild if we don’t control all our picks.

Can you route either Bridges or OG to Portland to get our pick and both swaps back? It’s a thought.

Not a chance in hell haslsm/ edens go full rebuold n trade giannis for **** DPs n non starting talent.Im sure if haslem had his say he would just want playersback who are already quality players or DPs

[Sigra]

KAT is actually good fit to play with Giannis.

Brunson isnt. It would be better for both teams if Brunson is in package insteed of KAT. Just saying

[humanrefutation]

If it comes to that, he doesn't have a no-trade clause so IDGAF where he wants to go. He'll get over it when he'll be competing for titles over in San Antonio while we can build around Harper, Castle, and all their future firsts/swaps. If this organization is seriously **** dumb enough to accept whatever mediocre package of win-now players that the Knicks can send just to "honor his wishes", then basketball in Milwaukee is dead. Just fold up the franchise.

The issue, of course, is that no one is going to offer the kind of godfather offer for Giannis that we'd want if he won't commit to an extension there. That's why it does matter where he wants to play.

But I think there's a middle ground that I described before - give Giannis a list of teams with offers we'd accept, and let him choose.

[humanrefutation]

Bingo.

And I think once you’ve threatened your spouse with divorce it is hard to put that toothpaste back in the tube.

And for those of you who say “this is no different than other years” oh yes it is. We’ve lost Dame and all those draft picks we gave up to get him. And Giannis has had people in his ear the past six months telling him the Bucks have no assets to get better.

Explain to me how anything he's said or done indicates that his priority isn't competing for titles. Whether here or elsewhere.

The rumors about Giannis and New York have been around a long time.

What's different now is that Horst and the Knicks had a discussion and apparently that is the only team they did that with.

Assuming the above is true, the only reason would be that Giannis expressed interest in the Knicks (likely thru his agent).

If all Giannis was interested in was a championship, he wouldn't limit himself to the Knicks.

The Knicks have the best shot of coming out of the East with Giannis. I don't see the two as contradictory.

Of course, I'm not trading him simply where he wants to go. But the facts are that he has not demanded a trade and he has not said he won't extend here long term. He's said what he's always said - he's here as long as we're competing for titles. He's trying to make sure that Edens and Haslam and Horst don't rest on their laurels. He sees the end of his career in the distant horizon and he wants it to be chasing rings for as long as possible.

[LUKE23]

You dont think a KAT OG and ? is worth it

Did you mean to add 5 unprotected firsts to this?

[BucksFanSD]

I mentioned this earlier, Giannis holds the leverage, the more each day passes. If he doesn't want a bidding war, there won't be one. He wants championships which mean his 'new team' needs to 'not lose the trade'. The alternative is holding on to him until his contract expires, and that can be negative in how that plays out.

[emunney]

KAT is actually good fit to play with Giannis.

Brunson isnt. It would be better for both teams if Brunson is in package insteed of KAT. Just saying

Exactly right. Brunson needs room in the middle of the floor to pound leather. That doesn't exist when Giannis is on the court.

[Ron Swanson]

When has the whole idea of a superstar's trade value being driven down without an agreed upon extension in place ever actually been true? Durant hasn't extended (yet) with Houston, Siakam was dealt for market value and didn't sign an extension until after the next season. Hell, Jimmy literally said he wouldn't sign an extension with anyone besides Phoenix, and look what happened the second he got traded to Golden State?

Teams don't care about that **** for even 2nd-tier star players, but somehow teams are gonna balk at giving up too much value for a guy you think would legitimately win the MVP the second you acquire him? Don't let the media and casual NBA fans gaslight the fanbase into thinking we need to "settle" for pennies on the dollar in a Giannis trade because of contract status. They're idiots who are obviously operating with biased intentions. Of course everyone is gonna use every excuse in the book in an attempt to drive down his market price.

[BucksFanSD]

What drives down the trade market is a player demanding to play for only one other team, which currently appears to be the case. The team will ask for a list of teams said star player is willing to play for. When the player only gives one team it drives down his price. In turn the team asks the player to increase the list of teams to get market price. Things sometimes get ugly from there. Right now it seems Giannis is hinting it's just one team (the Knicks) that he would play for if Milwaukee isn't a contender.

[Packbuckman]

What drives down the trade market is a player demanding to play for only one other team, which currently appears to be the case. The team will ask for a list of teams said star player is willing to play for. When the player only gives one team it drives down his price. In turn the team asks the player to increase the list of teams to get market price. Things sometimes get ugly from there. Right now it seems Giannis is hinting it's just one team (the Knicks) that he would play for if Milwaukee isn't a contender.

Hinting from who Shams and espn if you believe that **** and his company that wants Giannis in a big market like New York. He was asked a question he answered it that didn’t mean anything but Shams sure will run with it **** douche bag

[Ron Swanson]

We can read the tea leaves with the Knicks call (no one's outright denied it so we have to believe it happened), but you guys aren't seriously buying this "he only wants to play for New York" spin that Shams is putting on it, are you?

[ShootingtheJ]

I mentioned this earlier, Giannis holds the leverage, the more each day passes. If he doesn't want a bidding war, there won't be one. He wants championships which mean his 'new team' needs to 'not lose the trade'. The alternative is holding on to him until his contract expires, and that can be negative in how that plays out.

The alternative is to win and just keep him.

[Dick Tate]

What drives down the trade market is a player demanding to play for only one other team, which currently appears to be the case. The team will ask for a list of teams said star player is willing to play for. When the player only gives one team it drives down his price. In turn the team asks the player to increase the list of teams to get market price. Things sometimes get ugly from there. Right now it seems Giannis is hinting it's just one team (the Knicks) that he would play for if Milwaukee isn't a contender.

Hinting from who Shams and espn if you believe that **** and his company that wants Giannis in a big market like New York. He was asked a question he answered it that didn’t mean anything but Shams sure will run with it **** douche bag

Giannis on media day: “Of course, yes. Guys, every summer, there's truth to every report."
I took that mean his team has a middle-man that's leaking to Shams.

[BucksFanSD]

I mentioned this earlier, Giannis holds the leverage, the more each day passes. If he doesn't want a bidding war, there won't be one. He wants championships which mean his 'new team' needs to 'not lose the trade'. The alternative is holding on to him until his contract expires, and that can be negative in how that plays out.

The alternative is to win and just keep him.

That's the goal and hopefully we do just that.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

The Knicks do not have a package that would make it worth it to trade GA. It's that simple.

you tell the knicks which guy in this league you want to start over with and then they go get him. they have the assets for that anyway

we'll never get "true value" for giannis but i like our roster. the question is which guy do you want as the centerpiece if giannis is gone. the knicks have dudes and a package that maybe that team would listen