Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[KGdaBom]

What would need to be added to trade Dillingham for Devin Carter?

Dilly's stock is rising starting tonight.

[Guest84]

Honestly, I think I’d strongly consider trading Rob. This roster is out of whack. We still have Ant out there with 3-4 non shooters in the starting lineup.

No quality pg play. I’m a big Jaden fan and want him to stay and improve BUT I think he might be one of the ones who’d have to be included with Rob to get something back.

We need either another ball handling/play making wing or pg next to Ant as the second guy.

[KGdaBom]

Honestly, I think I’d strongly consider trading Rob. This roster is out of whack. We still have Ant out there with 3-4 non shooters in the starting lineup.

No quality pg play. I’m a big Jaden fan and want him to stay and improve BUT I think he might be one of the ones who’d have to be included with Rob to get something back.

We need either another ball handling/play making wing or pg next to Ant as the second guy.

Randle is the #2 and he's a much better than average #2.

[Guest84]

Honestly, I think I’d strongly consider trading Rob. This roster is out of whack. We still have Ant out there with 3-4 non shooters in the starting lineup.

No quality pg play. I’m a big Jaden fan and want him to stay and improve BUT I think he might be one of the ones who’d have to be included with Rob to get something back.

We need either another ball handling/play making wing or pg next to Ant as the second guy.

Randle is the #2 and he's a much better than average #2.

I get that. This wasn’t really in relation to Randle per se. He’s the 2 now but I think it would serve the team better if the 2 was a wing/perimeter player.

I still think the team is mismanaging the roster construction and they made it to the wcf in spite of that.

[KGdaBom]

Honestly, I think I’d strongly consider trading Rob. This roster is out of whack. We still have Ant out there with 3-4 non shooters in the starting lineup.

No quality pg play. I’m a big Jaden fan and want him to stay and improve BUT I think he might be one of the ones who’d have to be included with Rob to get something back.

We need either another ball handling/play making wing or pg next to Ant as the second guy.

Randle is the #2 and he's a much better than average #2.

I get that. This wasn’t really in relation to Randle per se. He’s the 2 now but I think it would serve the team better if the 2 was a wing/perimeter player.

I still think the team is mismanaging the roster construction and they made it to the wcf in spite of that.

I like having a SG and a PF as our #1 and #2.

[BlacJacMac]

Honestly, I think I’d strongly consider trading Rob. This roster is out of whack. We still have Ant out there with 3-4 non shooters in the starting lineup.

No quality pg play. I’m a big Jaden fan and want him to stay and improve BUT I think he might be one of the ones who’d have to be included with Rob to get something back.

We need either another ball handling/play making wing or pg next to Ant as the second guy.

Randle is the #2 and he's a much better than average #2.

Is he?

I like Randle, but he's an inconsistent shooter and we've seen how good teams can take away his inside game. Guys that are long and athletic give him absolute fits.

[KGdaBom]

Honestly, I think I’d strongly consider trading Rob. This roster is out of whack. We still have Ant out there with 3-4 non shooters in the starting lineup.

No quality pg play. I’m a big Jaden fan and want him to stay and improve BUT I think he might be one of the ones who’d have to be included with Rob to get something back.

We need either another ball handling/play making wing or pg next to Ant as the second guy.

Randle is the #2 and he's a much better than average #2.

Is he?

I like Randle, but he's an inconsistent shooter and we've seen how good teams can take away his inside game. Guys that are long and athletic give him absolute fits.

IMO he's a better than average #2. I think much better, but that's debatable.

[Guest84]

Randle is the #2 and he's a much better than average #2.

Is he?

I like Randle, but he's an inconsistent shooter and we've seen how good teams can take away his inside game. Guys that are long and athletic give him absolute fits.

IMO he's a better than average #2. I think much better, but that's debatable.

I don’t mind sg/pf combo being primary but with Randle being 2, you need more shooting around him and Ant. Those two require passing touches but having Rudy, Jaden and an inconsistent threat at pg make it tough.

[ILC]

I don't believe in Dillingham for anything more other than a best case scenario Lou Williams 2.0 and think if Wolves have a chance of beating OKC they need a really good PG.

Can't help it, I love Jaden Ivey. I would do Rob, DDV and whatever swap, 2nds Wolves have. Probably wouldn't be enough, especially now. Maybe during the season if things in Detroit between him and Cade don't work out, but even then they'll probably trade Ivey to Utah for Lauri.

But Ivey, Ant, Jaden, Randle, Gobert with Mike, TSJ, Clark and Naz off the bench....

[Guest84]

I don't believe in Dillingham for anything more other than a best case scenario Lou Williams 2.0 and think if Wolves have a chance of beating OKC they need a really good PG.

Can't help it, I love Jaden Ivey. I would do Rob, DDV and whatever swap, 2nds Wolves have. Probably wouldn't be enough, especially now. Maybe during the season if things in Detroit between him and Cade don't work out, but even then they'll probably trade Ivey to Utah for Lauri.

But Ivey, Ant, Jaden, Randle, Gobert with Mike, TSJ, Clark and Naz off the bench....

I’m with you on the Jaden Ivey take. Big guard who seemed to be coming into his own before the injury. Do we know how his recovery is going?

[winforlose]

I don’t love this idea, but what about Dilly for Dlo and a couple seconds. Dlo is only 5.6 million and has played under Finch before. He is inconsistent which is not great, but he is at least a bandaid compared to Dilly and Bones.

[Note30]

I don’t love this idea, but what about Dilly for Dlo and a couple seconds. Dlo is only 5.6 million and has played under Finch before. He is inconsistent which is not great, but he is at least a bandaid compared to Dilly and Bones.

The idea of trading for a guy all of us actively wanted off the team is the most Wolves fan idea I've heard.

[winforlose]

I don’t love this idea, but what about Dilly for Dlo and a couple seconds. Dlo is only 5.6 million and has played under Finch before. He is inconsistent which is not great, but he is at least a bandaid compared to Dilly and Bones.

The idea of trading for a guy all of us actively wanted off the team is the most Wolves fan idea I've heard.

To be fair, that was years ago when he was making upwards of 25 million and still thought of himself as a star. In this situation our alternatives are pushing Mike harder than he can take, running Dilly who is objectively less ready than Dlo (and will cost more every year,) or Bones Hyland (a man I still contend does not belong in the NBA.) Sometimes when you are left with no good options, seek out the least bad.

P.S I don’t accept Ant and Randle as the PGs. It just doesn’t end well.

[Note30]

Randle is the #2 and he's a much better than average #2.

Is he?

I like Randle, but he's an inconsistent shooter and we've seen how good teams can take away his inside game. Guys that are long and athletic give him absolute fits.

IMO he's a better than average #2. I think much better, but that's debatable.

List of second best players on a playoff level team last year.

Lakers — LeBron James
Warriors — Jimmy Butler
Thunder — Jalen Williams
Nuggets — Jamal Murray
Clippers — James Harden*
Mavericks — Kyrie Irving
Rockets — Jalen Green*
Celtics — Jaylen Brown
Knicks — KAT
Cavaliers — Evan Mobley
Bucks — Damian Lillard*
Pacers — Pascal Siakam
76ers — Tyrese Maxey
Magic — Franz Wagner
Heat — Tyler Herro*
Bulls — Coby White*


There's only 4-5 players asterisked barring injuries to the other players I'd would not take over randle for one playoff series.

[Note30]

I don’t love this idea, but what about Dilly for Dlo and a couple seconds. Dlo is only 5.6 million and has played under Finch before. He is inconsistent which is not great, but he is at least a bandaid compared to Dilly and Bones.

The idea of trading for a guy all of us actively wanted off the team is the most Wolves fan idea I've heard.

To be fair, that was years ago when he was making upwards of 25 million and still thought of himself as a star. In this situation our alternatives are pushing Mike harder than he can take, running Dilly who is objectively less ready than Dlo (and will cost more every year,) or Bones Hyland (a man I still contend does not belong in the NBA.) Sometimes when you are left with no good options, seek out the least bad.

P.S I don’t accept Ant and Randle as the PGs. It just doesn’t end well.

I understand, it just sucks we're in this position. With a more thought through plan we could have done better.

[winforlose]

The idea of trading for a guy all of us actively wanted off the team is the most Wolves fan idea I've heard.

To be fair, that was years ago when he was making upwards of 25 million and still thought of himself as a star. In this situation our alternatives are pushing Mike harder than he can take, running Dilly who is objectively less ready than Dlo (and will cost more every year,) or Bones Hyland (a man I still contend does not belong in the NBA.) Sometimes when you are left with no good options, seek out the least bad.

P.S I don’t accept Ant and Randle as the PGs. It just doesn’t end well.

I understand, it just sucks we're in this position. With a more thought through plan we could have done better.

I agree. I love Mike, but the trade we made to acquire him put us on the clock to find a PGOF. That TC whiffed twice with first round draft picks (WMJ and Dilly,) is devastating for a team with our cap situation. Mike is likely not coming back next year, Bones was a terrible mistake made because TC hates it when players he picked are out of the NBA, (PJ Dozier,) and we really have no one else.

[shrink]

I don’t love this idea, but what about Dilly for Dlo and a couple seconds. Dlo is only 5.6 million and has played under Finch before. He is inconsistent which is not great, but he is at least a bandaid compared to Dilly and Bones.

The idea of trading for a guy all of us actively wanted off the team is the most Wolves fan idea I've heard.

To be fair to winforlose, I was one of DLo’s biggest critics, but I thought about him during free agency. As much as I dislike him, he can bring the ball up the court, he can playmake, and he can hit three’s on certain nights. He’s more fairly paid these days at the taxpayer MLE ($5.685, which we have also), but it seemed like a foregone conclusion he was going to stand in for Kyrie in DAL.

But Note is right too - I don’t think he is a winning player, with his lack of defensive effort and his inconsistent play doesn’t allow you to rely on him. Hopefully with a smaller role that matches his new paycheck, he becomes more team-oriented.

[Klomp]

I don’t love this idea, but what about Dilly for Dlo and a couple seconds. Dlo is only 5.6 million and has played under Finch before. He is inconsistent which is not great, but he is at least a bandaid compared to Dilly and Bones.

The idea of trading for a guy all of us actively wanted off the team is the most Wolves fan idea I've heard.

To be fair to winforlose, I was one of DLo’s biggest critics, but I thought about him during free agency. As much as I dislike him, he can bring the ball up the court, he can playmake, and he can hit three’s on certain nights. He’s more fairly paid these days at the taxpayer MLE ($5.685, which we have also), but it seemed like a foregone conclusion he was going to stand in for Kyrie in DAL.

But Note is right too - I don’t think he is a winning player, with his lack of defensive effort and his inconsistent play doesn’t allow you to rely on him. Hopefully with a smaller role that matches his new paycheck, he becomes more team-oriented.

Here's my issue with this idea....

Right now, the team has two different identity focuses it is working on - defense and transition offense. Does Russell fit into either of them?

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Would still prefer Tyus than Dlo if we can't afford a star PG. I agree witn comment about Randle and ANT playing PG... not a great idea definitely.

[Klomp]

I wouldn't expect high usage from whatever "PG" is brought in. I still strongly believe this is a philosophical-based decision for the team, not a personnel-based decision. The ball will continue to be in the hands of Anthony Edwards and Julius Randle for most possessions.