Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts The 19th Hole

[YayBasketball]

Watching the preseason, I am way more open to moving Kessler. I think having a ball mover at center is really beneficial for Ace. He is playing really well with Nurkic, and I think some small-ball 5 minutes with Filipowski and Love would also work well for him. We'd have a really fun offense and absolutely no defense at all, lose a ton of games, but really get to see which young players are long-term keepers.

Pelicans get Kessler to bolster their playoff chances/ stay out of the lottery. They've negotiated a 4 yr./$100m extension that can only be given before the regular season. They would need to find a way to dump Murray's contract for an expiring (HOU? MIA?). Jazz want to cash in and start season with a clean-slate/ball-moving Centers.

Jazz get: Missi + Rozier (waive) + ___ pick/swap capital via NOP
Pels get: Kessler (extended) + K. Anderson + Niang + Fonteccio
Heat get: D. Murray + Hawkins + 2nd(s) via NOP

Jazz get a younger rim running replacement in Missi who can grow in a bench role, has shown flashes on offense. The draft compensation can be 2027 swap with NOP/MIL and worst of Utah's 2027 LAL/CLE/UTA/MIN 1st (lowest not conveyed to Phoenix)? One future first 2028 or beyond could be in play, but should have protections. The Rozier / Anderson/Niang inclusion isn't ideal from the Jazz's vet roster building- but they do it to help facilitate the deal. They could keep Rozier as a trade chip until the deadline or waive him immediately.

Pels build a top defense around Kessler and Herb, and hope the Zion, Murphy, Poole trio can lead a respectable offense, with Bey, Alvarado, Fears, Queen and the new vets contributing. No lotto pick to ATL!

Heat strike early on getting a starting vet PG who could thrive in their system, with enough breathing room in the East to add Murray back in January and reinforce a playoff run. (This probably is the most unrealistic part of the mock trade, with teams probably waiting until Murray is back playing to consider trading for him. Also, Heat have been reluctant to take on long term money for non-star players).
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Jazz:

Nurkic/ Missi
Lauri/ Filipowski
Hendricks/ Brice/ Cody
Bailey/ George/ Svi
Clayton/ Collier
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Pels:

Kessler/ Looney/ Matkovic
Zion/ Queen/ Niang
Trey/ Fonteccio/ Anderson
Herb/ Bey/ Peavy
Poole/ Jose/ Fears
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Heat:

Ware/ Jovic
Bam/ Jaquez
Wiggins/ Powell
Herro/ Kasparas/ Hawkins
Murray/ Davion

[penbeast0]

Watching the preseason, I am way more open to moving Kessler. I think having a ball mover at center is really beneficial for Ace. He is playing really well with Nurkic, and I think some small-ball 5 minutes with Filipowski and Love would also work well for him. We'd have a really fun offense and absolutely no defense at all, lose a ton of games, but really get to see which young players are long-term keepers.

Pelicans get Kessler to bolster their playoff chances/ stay out of the lottery. They've negotiated a 4 yr./$100m extension that can only be given before the regular season. They would need to find a way to dump Murray's contract for an expiring (HOU? MIA?). Jazz want to cash in and start season with a clean-slate/ball-moving Centers.

Jazz get: Missi + Rozier (waive) + ___ pick/swap capital via NOP
Pels get: Kessler (extended) + K. Anderson + Niang + Fonteccio
Heat get: D. Murray + Hawkins + 2nd(s) via NOP

Jazz get a younger rim running replacement in Missi who can grow in a bench role, has shown flashes on offense. The draft compensation can be 2027 swap with NOP/MIL and worst of Utah's 2027 LAL/CLE/UTA/MIN 1st (lowest not conveyed to Phoenix)? One future first 2028 or beyond could be in play, but should have protections. The Rozier / Anderson/Niang inclusion isn't ideal from the Jazz's vet roster building- but they do it to help facilitate the deal. They could keep Rozier as a trade chip until the deadline or waive him immediately.

Pels build a top defense around Kessler and Herb, and hope the Zion, Murphy, Poole trio can lead a respectable offense, with Bey, Alvarado, Fears, Queen and the new vets contributing. No lotto pick to ATL!

Heat strike early on getting a starting vet PG who could thrive in their system, with enough breathing room in the East to add Murray back in January and reinforce a playoff run. (This probably is the most unrealistic part of the mock trade, with teams probably waiting until Murray is back playing to consider trading for him. Also, Heat have been reluctant to take on long term money for non-star players).
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Jazz:

Nurkic/ Missi
Lauri/ Filipowski
Hendricks/ Brice/ Cody
Bailey/ George/ Svi
Clayton/ Collier
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Pels:

Kessler/ Looney/ Matkovic
Zion/ Queen/ Niang
Trey/ Fonteccio/ Anderson
Herb/ Bey/ Peavy
Poole/ Jose/ Fears
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Heat:

Ware/ Jovic
Bam/ Jaquez
Wiggins/ Powell
Herro/ Kasparas/ Hawkins
Murray/ Davion

Kessler for Missi is an interesting starting point if Utah is looking for more of an offensive playmaking 5 and New Orleans for more defense next to Zion. The contract situations mitigate some (all?) of Kessler's experience advantage. You don't need the whole Murray, Rozier, etc. complication if the basic idea is sound. Just an agreement on value/draft compensation.

[HadAnEffectHere]

The Pelicans just traded a potential top 4 pick for a center.

None of the Pelicans' moves make sense, but you're basically just trying to argue about what direction Weaver's bizarre team building strategy takes.

And Weaver's strategy is pretty clearly "swing for stars literally every time no matter how bad the fit is." Missi is a potential star and Kessler is not so Weaver won't make that trade even though Kessler is better and a better fit.

Fears and Queen are quite literally the worst possible fits with Zion, Herb Jones, and Missi, but Weaver doesn't care as they have star potential.

[babyjax13]

Watching the preseason, I am way more open to moving Kessler. I think having a ball mover at center is really beneficial for Ace. He is playing really well with Nurkic, and I think some small-ball 5 minutes with Filipowski and Love would also work well for him. We'd have a really fun offense and absolutely no defense at all, lose a ton of games, but really get to see which young players are long-term keepers.

Pelicans get Kessler to bolster their playoff chances/ stay out of the lottery. They've negotiated a 4 yr./$100m extension that can only be given before the regular season. They would need to find a way to dump Murray's contract for an expiring (HOU? MIA?). Jazz want to cash in and start season with a clean-slate/ball-moving Centers.

Jazz get: Missi + Rozier (waive) + ___ pick/swap capital via NOP
Pels get: Kessler (extended) + K. Anderson + Niang + Fonteccio
Heat get: D. Murray + Hawkins + 2nd(s) via NOP

Jazz get a younger rim running replacement in Missi who can grow in a bench role, has shown flashes on offense. The draft compensation can be 2027 swap with NOP/MIL and worst of Utah's 2027 LAL/CLE/UTA/MIN 1st (lowest not conveyed to Phoenix)? One future first 2028 or beyond could be in play, but should have protections. The Rozier / Anderson/Niang inclusion isn't ideal from the Jazz's vet roster building- but they do it to help facilitate the deal. They could keep Rozier as a trade chip until the deadline or waive him immediately.

Pels build a top defense around Kessler and Herb, and hope the Zion, Murphy, Poole trio can lead a respectable offense, with Bey, Alvarado, Fears, Queen and the new vets contributing. No lotto pick to ATL!

Heat strike early on getting a starting vet PG who could thrive in their system, with enough breathing room in the East to add Murray back in January and reinforce a playoff run. (This probably is the most unrealistic part of the mock trade, with teams probably waiting until Murray is back playing to consider trading for him. Also, Heat have been reluctant to take on long term money for non-star players).
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Jazz:

Nurkic/ Missi
Lauri/ Filipowski
Hendricks/ Brice/ Cody
Bailey/ George/ Svi
Clayton/ Collier
-------------------------------

Pels:

Kessler/ Looney/ Matkovic
Zion/ Queen/ Niang
Trey/ Fonteccio/ Anderson
Herb/ Bey/ Peavy
Poole/ Jose/ Fears
---------------------

Heat:

Ware/ Jovic
Bam/ Jaquez
Wiggins/ Powell
Herro/ Kasparas/ Hawkins
Murray/ Davion

Kessler for Missi is an interesting starting point if Utah is looking for more of an offensive playmaking 5 and New Orleans for more defense next to Zion. The contract situations mitigate some (all?) of Kessler's experience advantage. You don't need the whole Murray, Rozier, etc. complication if the basic idea is sound. Just an agreement on value/draft compensation.

Kessler averages more assists per 36, so I don't really see that as a playmaking upgrade? If it is just to get a rotation center and an asset, that makes some sense.

[penbeast0]

Kessler averages more assists per 36, so I don't really see that as a playmaking upgrade? If it is just to get a rotation center and an asset, that makes some sense.

I rate Missi a bit higher than rotation. I'd say he was a low end starter as a rookie with room to grow as he is only 21 years old where Kessler is 24. Didn't see him a lot last year though as NO was not a team I watched much.

[jbk1234]

I think the two additional years Missi has on a rookie contract makes the swap pretty even. I wouldn't add anything if I were the Pelicans unless I was pretty confident Missi was a miss.