ALCS Game 2 - Seattle Mariners @ Toronto Blue Jays, Monday October 13, 2025, 5:03 PM

[rarefind]

No they’re here for life after this season

They’re all back with multi year extensions.

When did the Blue Jays turn into the Leafs?

Ask Ed Rogers.

[brwnman]

Raul Mondesi himself isn’t making that play.

If you think Mondesi couldn’t throw a laser from shallow CF, you don’t know Mondesi.

I know Raul Mondesi just fine. He isn’t making a grab on sinking liner in that situation. If you’re talking about him being set 250 feet from home waiting for a ball hit at him that is another story.

Then we’re talking about two different plays. I’m talking about the sac fly in the 7th where Varsho was waiting on a lazy fly ball in shallow CF and had time to set his feet and throw to home to get Suarez. The throw ended up being a pop fly to the mound.

[brwnman]

Like giving Kirk one of the best and most team friendly contract extensions in baseball

Your hero Kirk is good, but Raleigh is great. That is the difference.

This equation isn’t accurate. Kirk is good-great… This year Raleigh was phenomenal. The Mariners are golfing without him.

Calling Kirk good for half a season over the last 3 years is probably where the equation is wrong too.

[rarefind]

If you think Mondesi couldn’t throw a laser from shallow CF, you don’t know Mondesi.

I know Raul Mondesi just fine. He isn’t making a grab on sinking liner in that situation. If you’re talking about him being set 250 feet from home waiting for a ball hit at him that is another story.

Then we’re talking about two different plays. I’m talking about the sac fly in the 7th where Varsho was waiting on a lazy fly ball in shallow CF and had time to set his feet and throw to home to get Suarez. The throw ended up being a pop fly to the mound.

True. That was pretty awful… you are right.

[rarefind]

Your hero Kirk is good, but Raleigh is great. That is the difference.

This equation isn’t accurate. Kirk is good-great… This year Raleigh was phenomenal. The Mariners are golfing without him.

Calling Kirk good for half a season over the last 3 years is probably where the equation is wrong too.

I mean Raleigh was good-great in past years. This equation only speaks to this year.

[Randle McMurphy]

Btw Trey’s velo was way down as that game went on

I didn’t realize that at the time but it’s another reason they pulled him (and probably should have done it to start the inning)

[Raps in 4]

We are the Yankees' fathers, but the Mariners are our fathers. The Mariners and Rays co-parent us.

[Randle McMurphy]

We are the Yankees' fathers, but the Mariners are our fathers. The Mariners and Rays co-parent us.

Knew Raleigh would finish us after that 15th inning debacle

That HR off Gausman will haunt us for the next decade

[Mehar]

Like giving Kirk one of the best and most team friendly contract extensions in baseball

Your hero Kirk is good, but Raleigh is great. That is the difference.

Kirk is a top 10 player in the league, Raleigh is a top 3

I’ll still take him myself at that money

Kirk had a solid year, but is nowhere near a Top 10 MLB player. Based on what? The number of buffets he can mow down? I know you love the guy, but get real for a minute. The guy had a solid bounce back year, but is definitely not a Top Ten player.

Kirk sucked for the last five weeks of the regular season hitting wise, as he hit an atrocious .203 for the month of September. That is not Top Ten material. His hitting numbers overall were good but not Top Ten also, and ended the year with a 2.3 WAR (not Top Ten). He should not be mentioned as the same breath as Raleigh. I commend him for having a nice bounce back year though.

[Randle McMurphy]

Your hero Kirk is good, but Raleigh is great. That is the difference.

Kirk is a top 10 player in the league, Raleigh is a top 3

I’ll still take him myself at that money

Kirk had a solid year, but is nowhere near a Top 10 MLB player. Based on what? The number of buffets he can mow down? I know you love the guy, but get real for a minute. The guy had a solid bounce back year, but definitely not a Top Ten player.

Kirk sucked for the last five weeks of the regular season hitting wise, and hit an atrocious .203 for the month of September. That is not Top Ten material. His hitting numbers overall were not Top Ten also, and ended the year with a 2.3 WAR (not Top Ten). He should not be mentioned as the same breath as Raleigh. I commend him for having a nice bounce back year though.

Check the fWAR rates, he’s the best and most valuable player we’ve got

There aren’t 10 guys I’m taking over him

[Mehar]

Kirk is a top 10 player in the league, Raleigh is a top 3

I’ll still take him myself at that money

Kirk had a solid year, but is nowhere near a Top 10 MLB player. Based on what? The number of buffets he can mow down? I know you love the guy, but get real for a minute. The guy had a solid bounce back year, but definitely not a Top Ten player.

Kirk sucked for the last five weeks of the regular season hitting wise, and hit an atrocious .203 for the month of September. That is not Top Ten material. His hitting numbers overall were not Top Ten also, and ended the year with a 2.3 WAR (not Top Ten). He should not be mentioned as the same breath as Raleigh. I commend him for having a nice bounce back year though.

Check the fWAR rates, he’s the best and most valuable player we’ve got

There aren’t 10 guys I’m taking over him

Being the most Valuable Player on the Jays is one thing. Being a Top Ten MLB player is something else. Kirk is tied right now for having the 171st highest WAR in MLB for 2025. On what basis is 171 equal Top Ten? Give it a rest. You are entitled to your opinion but not your facts.

Looking at FWAR since that is what you prefer, Kirk has a FWAR of 4.7 in 2025 which is 31st in MLB. Last time I checked, 31st does not equal Top Ten. Too easily people just throw the "Top Ten" label around.

[DelAbbot]

We are the Yankees' fathers, but the Mariners are our fathers. The Mariners and Rays co-parent us.

Knew Raleigh would finish us after that 15th inning debacle

That HR off Gausman will haunt us for the next decade

Give it a break. Only a solo homer given up in 5 and 2/3 innings from your starter is as good as it gets - stop biching about it as if that's why we lost last night's game

[Madvillainy2004]

Lmao funny thing is Yankee fans talking the most this trash team dog walked you guys. Made more hilarious by them downplaying every Cal Raliegh accomplishment for the entire year lol and now theyre all Ms fans

[linery88]

Who should protect vladdy?
Kirk,Barger didnt work out,and probably wont.
Who else could do a good job there at the 4 slot? Clement deserves a shot.Have to think outside the box we are in.

[C Court]

Not a lot to say. Two losses are behind us.

Jays need to win game 3, then game 4 and possibly game 5. Then we’re back to Toronto.

[Michael Bradley]

I have always hated how high our payroll has become.

The payroll being this high is the main reason for the team's success from 2021-25. I'd rather lose in the ALCS with a top 5 payroll than not make the playoffs and have to pass a hat around in spring training in order find enough money to improve. If Shatkins is sticking around, and that seems like a safe bet at this point, then the payroll has to remain this high. It won't be the most efficient run team, but that's really the only way they can possibly build something resembling a sustainable contender.

But with Berrios, Santander, and Gimenez, we are starting to see "unmovable contracts" adding up. None of those 3 are tradeable assets, and they make siginficant money. They need to spend it better moving forward.

That Ervin Santana thing was so embarrassing man no cap league and were begging our own players to defer their own money to sign a guy lmao

People are crazy if they want those days back over being a big spending team

That same season they were in a playoff spot at the deadline (2014), did absolutely nothing because AA had reached his payroll limit, and eventually missed the playoffs by a few games. If Shatkins needs a $300M payroll to make the playoffs, and Rogers is willing to give it to them, then by all means go for it. Efficient with payroll means nothing if it's not leading to results.

Unfortunately the Jays are going to be under Shapiro and Atkins leadership probably until 2030 at the minimum, so not much else we can do except hope Rogers keeps being willing to spend. Of course, with the CBA issues next winter and work stoppage, who knows what the rules are going to be by the time the 2027 season begins. If MLB is suddenly a salary cap league, then the Jays are f'd with Atkins at the helm, but I doubt a salary cap is happening any time soon.

[Raps in 4]

Who should protect vladdy?
Kirk,Barger didnt work out,and probably wont.
Who else could do a good job there at the 4 slot? Clement deserves a shot.Have to think outside the box we are in.

This offense is going to be atrocious next year with Springer regressing. Barger has already regressed. Clement, Lukes, Gimenez, and Varsho are all sub-100 wRC+ hitters.

It's just going to be Vladdy and bums. And Vladdy will be a bum himself for half the season.

[Raps in 4]

Need to get at least two or even three new high leverage relievers in this bullpen for 2026 (along with a returning Garcia), that you do not have to worry about not throwing Strikes and who are wild as hell on the mound. I would say goodbye to guys like Little, Dominguez, Nance, Sandlin, Bruihl, and invest a lot more resources in the bullpen for 2026.

This bullpen is simply not championship material. Need at least two more Starters also, by letting Scherzer, Bassitt and Bieber walk. Ross Atkins and Shapiro could learn a thing or two on how to build a team like Seattle, spending about 90 million less than the Jays.

I have always hated how high our payroll has become.

A high payroll doesn't stop our FO from acquiring good players. Look at the Dodgers. Billion dollar payroll and the best farm system in baseball. Our FO just sucks. I wish we'd hire someone from the Rays organization.

[Randle McMurphy]

We are the Yankees' fathers, but the Mariners are our fathers. The Mariners and Rays co-parent us.

Knew Raleigh would finish us after that 15th inning debacle

That HR off Gausman will haunt us for the next decade

Give it a break. Only a solo homer given up in 5 and 2/3 innings from your starter is as good as it gets - stop biching about it as if that's why we lost last night's game

It only changed the entire game and we haven't led a single inning in the series after it

Not a big HR at all though, no

[linery88]

Need to get at least two or even three new high leverage relievers in this bullpen for 2026 (along with a returning Garcia), that you do not have to worry about not throwing Strikes and who are wild as hell on the mound. I would say goodbye to guys like Little, Dominguez, Nance, Sandlin, Bruihl, and invest a lot more resources in the bullpen for 2026.

This bullpen is simply not championship material. Need at least two more Starters also, by letting Scherzer, Bassitt and Bieber walk. Ross Atkins and Shapiro could learn a thing or two on how to build a team like Seattle, spending about 90 million less than the Jays.

I have always hated how high our payroll has become.

A high payroll doesn't stop our FO from acquiring good players. Look at the Dodgers. Billion dollar payroll and the best farm system in baseball. Our FO just sucks. I wish we'd hire someone from the Rays organization.

Or the Mariners org