ALCS Game #5 - Toronto at Seattle (Friday, 6:08)

[linery88]

Hoffman was the right call. I know we are all justifiably uncomfortable when Hoffman pitches but in four postseason outings he’s given up four base runners in 4.1 innings and given up one run in the last 10 innings he has pitched, even if some were shaky. He has not given up a home run the last 10 outings.

Let’s not forget to mention the fact that he got the core of the lineup out 123 the night before. why wouldn’t you go to him again in this outing? It was just dumb.

Totally disregard how trashy and useless little has been and essentially the second half of the season

Hoffman was shaky late season due to his arm being dead tired,but the rest helped him.He helped us beat the Yankees,and the previous night he sat down Seattles core, while Little has been worse to watch with his bouncing balls lately.You can see the difference between them when they pitch.f.o. cant just rely on stats all the time or ai to make baseball decisions.Fisher or Hoffman was the better risk.Our ai model sucks,and needs upgrading lol.These f.o . guys make these decisions in advance,and get locked into them and are arrogant,and stubborn.Maxs stubborness was justified with what he did 2 nights ago,and he defied the f.o. way to go Max lol.**** this f.o.

[pingpongrac]

Heading into last night, Hoffman (15.0 IP, 8 H, 2 ER, 8 BB, 13 K) had generally been more effective than Little (12.2 IP, 11 H, 4 ER, 8 BB, 12 K) down the stretch since September 1st. Less baserunners, less runs, less stressful appearances despite pitching the most stressful and difficult innings, etc. Furthermore, Hoffman has looked good in the playoffs aside from a bit of a shaky outing to close out the Yankees while Little has generally been ineffective in the playoffs; Little has now retired just 9 of 17 batters in the playoffs and less than half of his 67 pitches have been strikes. He should not see the mound again against Seattle unless we are up/down by 5+ runs and we need an inning.

[JCP11]

Like Caleb said, the playoffs are all about what have you done for me lately. You ride the hot hand. Yes, Little had better overall season stats compared to Hoffman. But Little has been brutal in the second half of the season and Hoffman hasn't given up a run in 14 of his last 16 appearances. And like it or not, Hoffman is the closer and the one assigned that mantle. He's also way more seasoned and has pitched in big moments. Heck, he's already faced these guys this series in a big spot and did well.

Why was IKF playing yesterday over Davis? Because he's looked good this series and had a good game the day before. Obviously over the long run you take Davis. But playoffs and regular season are two different beasts.

The fact that even the Rogers mouthpiece media is all shocked and calling out this move just shows how crazy it is.

I'm as weary of Hoffman as the next guy, but if you put him and lose in that situation, you tip your cap that you lost with your closer on the mound.

We can debate bullpen construction and whatever, but the fact doesn't change that it was absolutely an awful move by Schneider to throw a struggling guy like Little against the Mariners' best hitters with the game on the line. This was arguably worse than the Berrios pull considering it was so late in the game and gave us zero chance of even making a comeback.

this is pretty much a summary of what I've been saying and you put it in better words but Randle doesn't want to acknowledge that you live and die your guy (Hoffman) in that spot and live with the results. He went vs the best all year in big spots, so there's no reasons to get cute with this decision. Anyways time to move on, this series is far from over imo.

What makes Hoffman “your guy” in that spot? Is it just what he’s getting paid? Because he was the team’s worst reliever by a mile all season (at least among guys still on the roster) and far behind Little in terms of the value he provided.

Are you suggesting we should have just given Hoffman the biggest inning of the season because the Jays handed him a contract last winter? Feels like that might be the kind of decision that would open themselves up to loads of criticism.

No you give him the biggest inning of the season because he's done it all year, love him or hate him he was the guy. Sometimes he was dominant, sometimes he would put himself in trouble but gut it out and sometimes he would blow it. They didn't have anyone else except Yimi who they trusted to do it. How can you criticize this? He was 4th in saves, he's the guy they prepared for this moment all year, you don't have anyone else. I'm done with this, let's win tomorrow.

[Randle McMurphy]

this is pretty much a summary of what I've been saying and you put it in better words but Randle doesn't want to acknowledge that you live and die your guy (Hoffman) in that spot and live with the results. He went vs the best all year in big spots, so there's no reasons to get cute with this decision. Anyways time to move on, this series is far from over imo.

What makes Hoffman “your guy” in that spot? Is it just what he’s getting paid? Because he was the team’s worst reliever by a mile all season (at least among guys still on the roster) and far behind Little in terms of the value he provided.

Are you suggesting we should have just given Hoffman the biggest inning of the season because the Jays handed him a contract last winter? Feels like that might be the kind of decision that would open themselves up to loads of criticism.

No you give him the biggest inning of the season because he's done it all year, love him or hate him he was the guy. Sometimes he was dominant, sometimes he would put himself in trouble but gut it out and sometimes he would blow it. They didn't have anyone else except Yimi who they trusted to do it. How can you criticize this? He was 4th in saves, he's the guy they prepared for this moment all year, you don't have anyone else. I'm done with this, let's win tomorrow.

I can criticize it because he's been the Jays' worst statistical reliever all season, he's allowed the most HRs of any reliever in baseball, and has give up over a .800 OPS against LHBs (for which there were three in a row).

There's actually a pretty good argument to be made that he would have been the worst choice of anybody in that pen to use at that exact moment.

[JCP11]

What makes Hoffman “your guy” in that spot? Is it just what he’s getting paid? Because he was the team’s worst reliever by a mile all season (at least among guys still on the roster) and far behind Little in terms of the value he provided.

Are you suggesting we should have just given Hoffman the biggest inning of the season because the Jays handed him a contract last winter? Feels like that might be the kind of decision that would open themselves up to loads of criticism.

No you give him the biggest inning of the season because he's done it all year, love him or hate him he was the guy. Sometimes he was dominant, sometimes he would put himself in trouble but gut it out and sometimes he would blow it. They didn't have anyone else except Yimi who they trusted to do it. How can you criticize this? He was 4th in saves, he's the guy they prepared for this moment all year, you don't have anyone else. I'm done with this, let's win tomorrow.

I can criticize it because he's been the Jays' worst statistical reliever all season, he's allowed the most HRs of any reliever in baseball, and has give up over a .800 OPS against LHBs (for which there were three in a row).

There's actually a pretty good argument to be made that he would have been the worst choice of anybody in that pen to use at that exact moment.

Aiight Randle good back and forth, I actually respect your opinion more now because of this, you brought good and valid points but I just disagree on this. I'm a big trust the process guy, I felt like Schneider went away from that last night. Even though Hoff was a roller coaster this year he was the guy who pitched in those situations all year. However I wouldn't have been mad with Fluharty or Fisher like you proposed.

[C Court]

Arash weighs in and he’s right.

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[Randle McMurphy]

Arash weighs in and he’s right.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Arash is a know-nothing clown best ignored by everyone. He’ll post whatever gets the most views or hits without regard to whether there is any merit to what he’s saying.

Thankfully we don’t have to see him on the broadcast anymore pissing off the team’s star player.

[Boogie!]

What depresses me is knowing that even if yesavage pitches a gem, if we only have a one run lead, our bullpen is gonna **** it up.

[Randle McMurphy]

What depresses me is knowing that even if yesavage pitches a gem, if we only have a one run lead, our bullpen is gonna **** it up.

And he’ll probably only throw 5-6 maximum given the type of strikeout pitcher he is.

Only way this team can win in the playoffs is score a ton of runs.

[DelAbbot]

Like Caleb said, the playoffs are all about what have you done for me lately. You ride the hot hand. Yes, Little had better overall season stats compared to Hoffman. But Little has been brutal in the second half of the season and Hoffman hasn't given up a run in 14 of his last 16 appearances. And like it or not, Hoffman is the closer and the one assigned that mantle. He's also way more seasoned and has pitched in big moments. Heck, he's already faced these guys this series in a big spot and did well.

Why was IKF playing yesterday over Davis? Because he's looked good this series and had a good game the day before. Obviously over the long run you take Davis. But playoffs and regular season are two different beasts.

The fact that even the Rogers mouthpiece media is all shocked and calling out this move just shows how crazy it is.

I'm as weary of Hoffman as the next guy, but if you put him and lose in that situation, you tip your cap that you lost with your closer on the mound.

We can debate bullpen construction and whatever, but the fact doesn't change that it was absolutely an awful move by Schneider to throw a struggling guy like Little against the Mariners' best hitters with the game on the line. This was arguably worse than the Berrios pull considering it was so late in the game and gave us zero chance of even making a comeback.

Well said.

John Schneider thought he was smarter than everyone. On to game 6 we go.

Schneider doesn't think he is smarter than everyone. He's just happy to be here.

[DelAbbot]

What depresses me is knowing that even if yesavage pitches a gem, if we only have a one run lead, our bullpen is gonna **** it up.

Relax, it's just a game. Your blood pressure is already high and Game 6 starter hasn't even been pulled yet.

[C Court]

Arash weighs in and he’s right.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Arash is a know-nothing clown best ignored by everyone. He’ll post whatever gets the most views or hits without regard to whether there is any merit to what he’s saying.

Thankfully we don’t have to see him on the broadcast anymore pissing off the team’s star player.

So posters here have to choose between the know nothing clown’s opinion or the opinion of the internet warrior clown who kept warning us that Mad Max was going to lose game 4 badly.

[Randle McMurphy]

Arash weighs in and he’s right.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Arash is a know-nothing clown best ignored by everyone. He’ll post whatever gets the most views or hits without regard to whether there is any merit to what he’s saying.

Thankfully we don’t have to see him on the broadcast anymore pissing off the team’s star player.

So posters here have to choose between the know nothing clown’s opinion or the opinion of the internet warrior clown who kept warning us that Mad Max was going to lose game 4 badly.

The difference is I’m not self-important enough to believe that anybody would take me seriously anyway.

Arash is nothing more than a hot-take artist at this point and a bad one at that.

[Randle McMurphy]

Like Caleb said, the playoffs are all about what have you done for me lately. You ride the hot hand. Yes, Little had better overall season stats compared to Hoffman. But Little has been brutal in the second half of the season and Hoffman hasn't given up a run in 14 of his last 16 appearances. And like it or not, Hoffman is the closer and the one assigned that mantle. He's also way more seasoned and has pitched in big moments. Heck, he's already faced these guys this series in a big spot and did well.

Why was IKF playing yesterday over Davis? Because he's looked good this series and had a good game the day before. Obviously over the long run you take Davis. But playoffs and regular season are two different beasts.

The fact that even the Rogers mouthpiece media is all shocked and calling out this move just shows how crazy it is.

I'm as weary of Hoffman as the next guy, but if you put him and lose in that situation, you tip your cap that you lost with your closer on the mound.

We can debate bullpen construction and whatever, but the fact doesn't change that it was absolutely an awful move by Schneider to throw a struggling guy like Little against the Mariners' best hitters with the game on the line. This was arguably worse than the Berrios pull considering it was so late in the game and gave us zero chance of even making a comeback.

Well said.

John Schneider thought he was smarter than everyone. On to game 6 we go.

Schneider doesn't think he is smarter than everyone. He's just happy to be here.

He’s a puppet following his instructions.

[Parataxis]

I feel like there must be something in Schneider's contract requiring him to make an absolute obviously terrible bullpen call at least once every post-season.

It's really the only explanation for Little, Kikuchi, and Mayza.

[Randle McMurphy]

I feel like there must be something in Schneider's contract requiring him to make an absolute obviously terrible bullpen call at least once every post-season.

It's really the only explanation for Little, Kikuchi, and Mayza.

Yeah it’s called following the FO’s game plan for him.

[linery88]

Can Schneider ever overule the genius f.o. decisions if he himself sees a better move like Max did,which was the better move,and everyone knew it.
"No John,we feel that .............." Wonder if his curse words were for the f.o. in his post game presser.

[Duffman100]

Let's go game 7!!

See ya there Duffy

Ohhhhh yeah!!!! Where you sitting?