Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8

payitforward · Post #1401 » by **payitforward** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:44 am

Toumani Camara -- the #52 pick ( nate

) in the 2023 draft just signed a 4-year $82m extension with Portland. Not bad!

DukeLecker · Post #1402 » by **DukeLecker** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 12:15 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Hindsight is 20/20, but with FVV down for the year, Houston paying $14 mil per for Adams seems like a bad use of cap room. I think they could have gotten away with a Capela/Sengun and Jabari small ball 5 lineup, but imagine they could have earmarked that room for a shooter.

I keep thinking CJ to Houston at some point is inevitable. Not sure how, but their lack of ball handling is going to ruin their season.

payitforward · Post #1403 » by **payitforward** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 1:56 pm

Good stuff, DL!!
That would be great of course.

Maybe they'd like Middleton too -- make a real run!

Could we pry Tari Eason loose....?
Be still, my beating heart!

Post #1404 » by **nate33** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 2:14 pm

DukeLecker wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Hindsight is 20/20, but with FVV down for the year, Houston paying $14 mil per for Adams seems like a bad use of cap room. I think they could have gotten away with a Capela/Sengun and Jabari small ball 5 lineup, but imagine they could have earmarked that room for a shooter.

I keep thinking CJ to Houston at some point is inevitable. Not sure how, but their lack of ball handling is going to ruin their season.

The signing that really puzzled me was Dorian Finney Smith for 4-years $52M. Why does a team that already has Amen Thompson, Kevin Durant, Tari Eason and Jabari Smith need to go out and find another big wing? They should have spent that money on a guy like Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Ty Jerome, or Dennis Schroeder. And with the forward log jam alleviated a bit, they could have retained Whitmore too.

payitforward · Post #1405 » by **payitforward** » Mon Oct 20, 2025 4:18 pm

Or, better yet, kept their powder dry & picked up Jared Butler yesterday!

9 and 20 · Post #1406 » by **9 and 20** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 2:00 am

None of Duren, Walker Kessler, or Mark Williams were extended. All would make good targets for us I think. Draft Peterson #1 and I think we could start making some noise.

Other option would be to sign Trae Young who also didn't get extended. Then draft another big - Boozer or Dybantsa. Would also be a fun team.

Post #1407 » by **nate33** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 2:06 pm

9 and 20 wrote:None of Duren, Walker Kessler, or Mark Williams were extended. All would make good targets for us I think. Draft Peterson #1 and I think we could start making some noise.

Other option would be to sign Trae Young who also didn't get extended. Then draft another big - Boozer or Dybantsa. Would also be a fun team.

I have no interest in Mark Williams because he is made of glass, but Duren and Kessler should definitely be considered. My guess is that Detroit would match any offer for Duren so that's probably not gonna happen. But Kessler is probably obtainable.

Count me out on any kind of Trae Young gambit. I don't think you can win with him.

Frichuela · Post #1408 » by **Frichuela** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 2:10 pm

nate33 wrote:
9 and 20 wrote:None of Duren, Walker Kessler, or Mark Williams were extended. All would make good targets for us I think. Draft Peterson #1 and I think we could start making some noise.

Other option would be to sign Trae Young who also didn't get extended. Then draft another big - Boozer or Dybantsa. Would also be a fun team.

I have no interest in Mark Williams because he is made of glass, but Duren and Kessler should definitely be considered. My guess is that Detroit would match any offer for Duren so that's probably not gonna happen. But Kessler is probably obtainable.

Count me out on any kind of Trae Young gambit. I don't think you can win with him.

Yep. And from what I could see in pre season, he is starting to take on more 3s. Imagine a Sarr/Kessler combo at 4/5 :nod:

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tontoz · Post #1409 » by **tontoz** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 2:37 pm

Utah has a mountain of cap space next summer. I doubt they let Kessler go.

Post #1410 » by **nate33** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 2:46 pm

tontoz wrote:Utah has a mountain of cap space next summer. I doubt they let Kessler go.

Yeah, probably not.

It'll depend on how things go for Utah with the inevitable Markkanen trade and in their draft lottery, as well as the development of Ace Bailey. If they are still in a position where they have no viable star, they may need to jettison Kessler in order to keep tanking in future years. Sort of like how we got rid of Gafford, who is a good player.

That logic applies for us too. If we don't land a top 3 guy in this draft, we are also without a star and may not want to add a good young vet like Kessler.

But if we land Dybantsa or Peterson (or maybe Boozer) while Utah is stuck with the 5th pick again, then maybe we would want a win-now vet like Kessler more so than Utah would and we would be willing to pay more for him.

closg00 · Post #1411 » by **closg00** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 3:06 pm

Duren will 100% be retained by Detroit.

Post #1412 » by **nate33** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 3:14 pm

closg00 wrote:Duren will 100% be retained by Detroit.

It might be worth it to throw a full max offer at him. Detroit will likely match, but at least we'd be forcing a future competitor to clog up their salary cap. And if Detroit doesn't match, then we would have a good but modestly overpaid center. But since our cap sheet is so clean, we could afford him.

doclinkin · Post #1413 » by **doclinkin** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 3:15 pm

Yeah Tari Eason looks like the more obtainable target of all the players that didn’t extend.

That said I expect the Free Agents are all looking at next years salary cap bump from the new TV deals and are expecting to cash in.

payitforward · Post #1414 » by **payitforward** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 4:54 pm

nate33 wrote:
9 and 20 wrote:None of Duren, Walker Kessler, or Mark Williams were extended. All would make good targets for us I think. Draft Peterson #1 and I think we could start making some noise.

Other option would be to sign Trae Young who also didn't get extended. Then draft another big - Boozer or Dybantsa. Would also be a fun team.

I have no interest in Mark Williams because he is made of glass, but Duren and Kessler should definitely be considered. My guess is that Detroit would match any offer for Duren so that's probably not gonna happen. But Kessler is probably obtainable.

Count me out on any kind of Trae Young gambit. I don't think you can win with him.

On the money. I don't know whether "probably" but at least "possibly" & very worth the effort to try to make it work.

The other presumably "gettable" target is Eason -- the Rockets have been unable to work out an extension for him....

closg00 · Post #1415 » by **closg00** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 6:23 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:Duren will 100% be retained by Detroit.

It might be worth it to throw a full max offer at him. Detroit will likely match, but at least we'd be forcing a future competitor to clog up their salary cap. And if Detroit doesn't match, then we would have a good but modestly overpaid center. But since our cap sheet is so clean, we could afford him.

Actually, I had been contemplating that the org might be waiting until they have identified the core they want to keep, then add the front court pieces from FA, targeting someone just as you laid out. This could be why we have exclusively stacked the team with forward types. Detroit kind of did something like this.

Post #1416 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Oct 21, 2025 7:14 pm

payitforward wrote:Toumani Camara -- the #52 pick ( nate ) in the 2023 draft just signed a 4-year $82m extension with Portland. Not bad!

This contract is probably what I would offer Bilal.

tontoz · Post #1417 » by **tontoz** » Yesterday 1:26 pm

Shams is reporting that Chauncy Billups was arrested by the FBI for gambling.

9 and 20 · Post #1418 » by **9 and 20** » Yesterday 1:54 pm

This gambling story is insane. Just saying, might want to look into Johnny Davis for this - dude was so terrible it must have been intentional. Going back into Wiz history, we might have a few involved - Eric Maynor, Omoruyi, Mahinmi, Bertans, Ike Austin.

I'm kidding, of course.

Post #1419 » by **nate33** » Yesterday 2:12 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Toumani Camara -- the #52 pick ( nate ) in the 2023 draft just signed a 4-year $82m extension with Portland. Not bad!

This contract is probably what I would offer Bilal.

That's a real good observation. It's certainly a relevant comparison when the negotiations start. Camara is a little better defensively, and a little more durable, but Bilal, at his age, has a better chance of a break out after the contract is signed. I'd be very happy with something in the $20-22M a year range, even better if it's a declining contract.

Post #1420 » by **nate33** » Yesterday 2:18 pm

9 and 20 wrote:This gambling story is insane. Just saying, might want to look into Johnny Davis for this - dude was so terrible it must have been intentional. Going back into Wiz history, we might have a few involved - Eric Maynor, Omoruyi, Mahinmi, Bertans, Ike Austin.

I'm kidding, of course.

It really is amazing to me that NBA players and ex-players are willing to risk jail time for chump change in gambling. Rozier has made $135 MILLION dollars in the NBA! Billups made $107 MILLION as a player, plus millions more as a coach. The Rozier scandal involved roughly $13,000 in suspicious bets.