Tyus Jones: The newest elephant

[fendilim]

If Suggs does miss time, I think the team will survive with Tyus running the point because if he has to, he will be playing with 4 other starters who are all decent on defense. But, there is a reason why only the Magic could get him for 1 year $7 mil deal because no other team was fighting for him so he had to accept this deal. Just imagine if a year or two ago the Magic gave him a contract like he wanted back then, he would have gotten roasted here as bad as Fultz or Elf did. He could flame out here and the Magic may no worse for the better with AB and Jase.

I agree. This is a good call by Weltman.

[meatwad4343]

Neither option is great, but AB is trending into bust territory now. At least Tyus can run an offense and get assists and knock down shots. AB is a 3 and D guy that can't shoot from 3. Borderline wasted pick. Terrible draft overall, two huge misses. And to think if we got a few ping pong balls to go our way we could be running suggs/paolo/Franz/wemby right now

[BlueBalls]

Both of these guys are the wrong answer.

[basketballRob]

Tyus net rating is -29.3.

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[I Rasharted]

Neither option is great, but AB is trending into bust territory now. At least Tyus can run an offense and get assists and knock down shots. AB is a 3 and D guy that can't shoot from 3. Borderline wasted pick. Terrible draft overall, two huge misses. And to think if we got a few ping pong balls to go our way we could be running suggs/paolo/Franz/wemby right now

Getting Wemby was the key to everything. We should've tanked that year as hard as humanly possible.

[eyriq]

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[RichCollab]

Tyus has to at least knock down his open 3s.

[SOUL]

[thelead]

you can't overreact to a small sample size... but even a few more games of that level of horridness would be enough for anyone with a brain to not go to it ever again.

[eyriq]

Its disgusting and a theme now across preseason and two regular season games.

[Last Guardian]

You simply can't be a serious defensive team and play Tyus Jones. He definitely is a better offensive player than he has shown, but he's never been that good on offense that it makes up for it on defense. Its why teams don't keep him around. And we won't either, but hopefully we don't have to watch this the whole season.

[SloNick Russia]

I remember how this board was willing to sign TJ to a sizeble contract when he was in Washington to run a point here
Thanks god he is a a 1 year deal and we can pivit from it easily.
Still hope we can find a role for him here.

[eyriq]

Suggs being limited + Tyus being unplayable is a huge early season issue. I don't think this is getting enough weight when discussing our early season struggles, and it's getting a lot of weight. Why? We are leaning on AB for offense much more than we'd like while trying to install a new system.

We are winning AB's minutes BUT the game plans and preseason prep are disrupted by Tyus being unplayable.

[Idiosyncratic]

Suggs being limited + Tyus being unplayable is a huge early season issue. I don't think this is getting enough weight when discussing our early season struggles, and it's getting a lot of weight. Why? We are leaning on AB for offense much more than we'd like while trying to install a new system.

We are winning AB's minutes BUT the game plans and preseason prep are disrupted by Tyus being unplayable.

Yeah I don't think the plan was for AB to play much PG. Mose doesn't trust Tyus or Jase to defend so AB is playing a lot. I don't know what the answer is because Bane being bad on defense also complicates things in the guard rotation.

I really could see them just taking the minutes restriction off of Suggs quicker than they originally planned. Could start AB with the starters so he is with other ball handlers and manage Suggs minutes that way I guess. Sink or swim with Jase? IDK.

[eyriq]

Suggs being limited + Tyus being unplayable is a huge early season issue. I don't think this is getting enough weight when discussing our early season struggles, and it's getting a lot of weight. Why? We are leaning on AB for offense much more than we'd like while trying to install a new system.

We are winning AB's minutes BUT the game plans and preseason prep are disrupted by Tyus being unplayable.

Yeah I don't think the plan was for AB to play much PG. Mose doesn't trust Tyus or Jase to defend so AB is playing a lot. I don't know what the answer is because Bane being bad on defense also complicates things in the guard rotation.

I really could see them just taking the minutes restriction off of Suggs quicker than they originally planned. Could start AB with the starters so he is with other ball handlers and manage Suggs minutes that way I guess. Sink or swim with Jase? IDK.

It's very tough. I would recommend dialing back ABs playmaking reps and on-ball time. The leap isn't happening (this season?). Push ALL the playmaking reps to Paolo and Franz and use Bane as a closer.

[Idiosyncratic]

Suggs being limited + Tyus being unplayable is a huge early season issue. I don't think this is getting enough weight when discussing our early season struggles, and it's getting a lot of weight. Why? We are leaning on AB for offense much more than we'd like while trying to install a new system.

We are winning AB's minutes BUT the game plans and preseason prep are disrupted by Tyus being unplayable.

Yeah I don't think the plan was for AB to play much PG. Mose doesn't trust Tyus or Jase to defend so AB is playing a lot. I don't know what the answer is because Bane being bad on defense also complicates things in the guard rotation.

I really could see them just taking the minutes restriction off of Suggs quicker than they originally planned. Could start AB with the starters so he is with other ball handlers and manage Suggs minutes that way I guess. Sink or swim with Jase? IDK.

It's very tough. I would recommend dialing back ABs playmaking reps and on-ball time. The leap isn't happening (this season?). Push ALL the playmaking reps to Paolo and Franz and use Bane as a closer.

I actually think AB is showing some really good signs around the rim. If he sustained these offensive numbers without the turnovers it would be a breakout, but the turnovers are really hurting him.

Just let him play defense, attack the basket and shoot corner 3s and I think we will be happy with him. I don't think he has the ball handling or decision making to full time playmake. Set him free from that duty, the burden will be lifted and he is going to be fine.

But I mean that brings us to our bigger problem is that we just don't have anyone that great at making plays for other, which is one of the reasons he's been forced to handle the ball in the first place. They probably do just need to lean on Paolo, Franz and Suggs given what we have. I'd consider some point Franz minutes again.

[Knightro]

But I mean that brings us to our bigger problem is that we just don't have anyone that great at making plays for other, which is one of the reasons he's been forced to handle the ball in the first place. They probably do just need to lean on Paolo, Franz and Suggs given what we have. I'd consider some point Franz minutes again.

If my choices are... force feed Black or Suggs on ball shot creation for others reps, I'd rather just default into the heliocentric Paolo and Franz stuff because at least they have the capability of scoring or drawing a foul which those other guys don't really have on a consistent enough basis.

[Idiosyncratic]

But I mean that brings us to our bigger problem is that we just don't have anyone that great at making plays for other, which is one of the reasons he's been forced to handle the ball in the first place. They probably do just need to lean on Paolo, Franz and Suggs given what we have. I'd consider some point Franz minutes again.

If my choices are... force feed Black or Suggs on ball shot creation for others reps, I'd rather just default into the heliocentric Paolo and Franz stuff because at least they have the capability of scoring or drawing a foul which those other guys don't really have on a consistent enough basis.

Yeah I think they have to go back to that. Just stagger Paolo and Franz go back to playing slow and let them rock. If it doesn't work you get a new coach and consider moving one of the big 4 in the offseason or next deadline. I thought that's what this season was supposed to be anyway.

AB should be spotting up and attacking closeouts. I liked when he was cutting a lot and playing in the dunker spot a bit against the Celtics as well. He can be like our Warriors championship run Gary Payton II, who was absolutely massive for them and ironically also started as a PG.

[jezzerinho]

Yeah I don't think the plan was for AB to play much PG. Mose doesn't trust Tyus or Jase to defend so AB is playing a lot. I don't know what the answer is because Bane being bad on defense also complicates things in the guard rotation.

I really could see them just taking the minutes restriction off of Suggs quicker than they originally planned. Could start AB with the starters so he is with other ball handlers and manage Suggs minutes that way I guess. Sink or swim with Jase? IDK.

It's very tough. I would recommend dialing back ABs playmaking reps and on-ball time. The leap isn't happening (this season?). Push ALL the playmaking reps to Paolo and Franz and use Bane as a closer.

I actually think AB is showing some really good signs around the rim. If he sustained these offensive numbers without the turnovers it would be a breakout, but the turnovers are really hurting him.

Just let him play defense, attack the basket and shoot corner 3s and I think we will be happy with him. I don't think he has the ball handling or decision making to full time playmake. Set him free from that duty, the burden will be lifted and he is going to be fine.

But I mean that brings us to our bigger problem is that we just don't have anyone that great at making plays for other, which is one of the reasons he's been forced to handle the ball in the first place. They probably do just need to lean on Paolo, Franz and Suggs given what we have. I'd consider some point Franz minutes again.

This. He is - at best - a developing wing/swingman.