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jayjaysee wrote:I thought Portland should tank before this and still think Portland should tank.
Adding Peterson, Brown or AJ to this group without losing the Portland or Milwaukee picks could/should set Portland up for a decade of happy fans. Theres a lot of offense at the top of next years lottery and that’s what Portland needs..
BK_2020 wrote:jayjaysee wrote:I thought Portland should tank before this and still think Portland should tank.
Adding Peterson, Brown or AJ to this group without losing the Portland or Milwaukee picks could/should set Portland up for a decade of happy fans. Theres a lot of offense at the top of next years lottery and that’s what Portland needs..
What could they even do to tank? They dump Jrue and there's still no chance they catch Brooklyn, Boston, Charlotte, Utah, and DC for the bottom 5 spot.
BK_2020 wrote:jayjaysee wrote:I thought Portland should tank before this and still think Portland should tank.
Adding Peterson, Brown or AJ to this group without losing the Portland or Milwaukee picks could/should set Portland up for a decade of happy fans. Theres a lot of offense at the top of next years lottery and that’s what Portland needs..
What could they even do to tank? They dump Jrue and there's still no chance they catch Brooklyn, Boston, Charlotte, Utah, and DC for the bottom 5 spot.
BK_2020 wrote:jayjaysee wrote:I thought Portland should tank before this and still think Portland should tank.
Adding Peterson, Brown or AJ to this group without losing the Portland or Milwaukee picks could/should set Portland up for a decade of happy fans. Theres a lot of offense at the top of next years lottery and that’s what Portland needs..
What could they even do to tank? They dump Jrue and there's still no chance they catch Brooklyn, Boston, Charlotte, Utah, and DC for the bottom 5 spot.
GoBobs wrote:BK_2020 wrote:jayjaysee wrote:I thought Portland should tank before this and still think Portland should tank.
Adding Peterson, Brown or AJ to this group without losing the Portland or Milwaukee picks could/should set Portland up for a decade of happy fans. Theres a lot of offense at the top of next years lottery and that’s what Portland needs..
What could they even do to tank? They dump Jrue and there's still no chance they catch Brooklyn, Boston, Charlotte, Utah, and DC for the bottom 5 spot.
Pfffffft..................!! Charlotte is going to the playoffs. In case you didn't notice we are undefeated this season.
Texas Chuck wrote:Set aside the gambling. Almost all of us thought Miami was making a terrible basketball trade at the time. Not with hindsight as to how bad he played or with regards to this. Just it was a terrible move that never made sense.
Also don't think they are entitled to any compensation and thats kind of a wild take. League is under no obligation and probably prevented by the CBA from torpedoing a player's career by saying hey we completely cleared this guy but we are going to send out a league wide memo saying well he was accused of this....
Once we set aside feeling like our team was victimized I think we can see why Miami is entitled to nothing. My guess is players get investigated with regards to gambling all the time with none of it being made public because they can't prove wrong-doing. Just the coincidence of a bad game or an injury timed with higher than normal betting activity. And if the league is notifying every team every time....
Like Whalers says, teams should be monitoring this on their own already. And I'd be surprised if an organization as competent as Miami wasn't.
BBallFreak wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Set aside the gambling. Almost all of us thought Miami was making a terrible basketball trade at the time. Not with hindsight as to how bad he played or with regards to this. Just it was a terrible move that never made sense.
Also don't think they are entitled to any compensation and thats kind of a wild take. League is under no obligation and probably prevented by the CBA from torpedoing a player's career by saying hey we completely cleared this guy but we are going to send out a league wide memo saying well he was accused of this....
Once we set aside feeling like our team was victimized I think we can see why Miami is entitled to nothing. My guess is players get investigated with regards to gambling all the time with none of it being made public because they can't prove wrong-doing. Just the coincidence of a bad game or an injury timed with higher than normal betting activity. And if the league is notifying every team every time....
Like Whalers says, teams should be monitoring this on their own already. And I'd be surprised if an organization as competent as Miami wasn't.
I completely disagree. This is like buying a car that's been in an accident. The previous owner knows, the mechanic knows, and NO ONE TELLS YOU! Sorry, but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest Miami deserves recourse.
Edit: having looked into it, it appears that Charlotte could be the party in the wrong here.
Heat got no warning before Rozier trade, now mulls next move | Miami Herald https://share.google/HVRDA7CrwZA5mgzpW
I think Miami has legitimate reasons to be angry and expect a compensatory pick.
zimpy27 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Set aside the gambling. Almost all of us thought Miami was making a terrible basketball trade at the time. Not with hindsight as to how bad he played or with regards to this. Just it was a terrible move that never made sense.
Also don't think they are entitled to any compensation and thats kind of a wild take. League is under no obligation and probably prevented by the CBA from torpedoing a player's career by saying hey we completely cleared this guy but we are going to send out a league wide memo saying well he was accused of this....
Once we set aside feeling like our team was victimized I think we can see why Miami is entitled to nothing. My guess is players get investigated with regards to gambling all the time with none of it being made public because they can't prove wrong-doing. Just the coincidence of a bad game or an injury timed with higher than normal betting activity. And if the league is notifying every team every time....
Like Whalers says, teams should be monitoring this on their own already. And I'd be surprised if an organization as competent as Miami wasn't.
I completely disagree. This is like buying a car that's been in an accident. The previous owner knows, the mechanic knows, and NO ONE TELLS YOU! Sorry, but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest Miami deserves recourse.
Edit: having looked into it, it appears that Charlotte could be the party in the wrong here.
Heat got no warning before Rozier trade, now mulls next move | Miami Herald https://share.google/HVRDA7CrwZA5mgzpW
I think Miami has legitimate reasons to be angry and expect a compensatory pick.
I don't think Miami gets a pick but maybe Roziers salary will be voided. That's a win for Miami.
BBallFreak wrote:zimpy27 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:I completely disagree. This is like buying a car that's been in an accident. The previous owner knows, the mechanic knows, and NO ONE TELLS YOU! Sorry, but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest Miami deserves recourse.
Edit: having looked into it, it appears that Charlotte could be the party in the wrong here.
Heat got no warning before Rozier trade, now mulls next move | Miami Herald https://share.google/HVRDA7CrwZA5mgzpW
I think Miami has legitimate reasons to be angry and expect a compensatory pick.
I don't think Miami gets a pick but maybe Roziers salary will be voided. That's a win for Miami.
That should go without saying. The NBA should do that today without Miami having to fight it. It's what they did with Johntay Porter - two months before he was arrested. As far as the pick goes, if Charlotte was supposed to tell us and didn't, I would think that voids the deal
jbk1234 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:zimpy27 wrote:
I don't think Miami gets a pick but maybe Roziers salary will be voided. That's a win for Miami.
That should go without saying. The NBA should do that today without Miami having to fight it. It's what they did with Johntay Porter - two months before he was arrested. As far as the pick goes, if Charlotte was supposed to tell us and didn't, I would think that voids the deal
If the league is taking the position that it couldn't go public due to the CBA, I don't see where the duty for the Hornets to tell the Heat comes from.
The Heat payed that first to swap Lowry for someone who was playable while Butler was still on the roster. The fact that Rozier was hurt and/or sucked while with the Heat has nothing to do with the scandal. Rozier had negative trade value before the scandal beoke and negative trade value after. Any value he had came from his expiring contract and that hasn't changed. The Hornets would rightly scream bloody murder if they had to give the first back, especially if the contract is voided early and the Heat find themselves in a better position than if Rozier hadn't been indicted.
SkyHook wrote:jbk1234 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:That should go without saying. The NBA should do that today without Miami having to fight it. It's what they did with Johntay Porter - two months before he was arrested. As far as the pick goes, if Charlotte was supposed to tell us and didn't, I would think that voids the deal
If the league is taking the position that it couldn't go public due to the CBA, I don't see where the duty for the Hornets to tell the Heat comes from.
The Heat payed that first to swap Lowry for someone who was playable while Butler was still on the roster. The fact that Rozier was hurt and/or sucked while with the Heat has nothing to do with the scandal. Rozier had negative trade value before the scandal beoke and negative trade value after. Any value he had came from his expiring contract and that hasn't changed. The Hornets would rightly scream bloody murder if they had to give the first back, especially if the contract is voided early and the Heat find themselves in a better position than if Rozier hadn't been indicted.
Yes to all of this. Also, the Jontay Porter case is distinct from the Rozier one in that the NBA determined that Porter had violated the terms of the uniform player contract while they did not in the case of Rozier. I suspect that this will have to play out in the courts before the league considers voiding Terry's contract.
gom wrote:On the one hand, I thought the Rozier trade was stupid. I believe that Charlotte should be punished (relegation?), but giving the Heat seems excessive. Sometimes you make a stupid mistake. Own it.
On the other hand, though, in my unbiased opinion, Miami should get one pick from every team every season for ten seasons. Then I will be satisfied.
I guess I'm conflicted.
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jbk1234 wrote:I really don't see the logic behind the Blazers tanking. I see the logic behind them getting off of Grant, Jrue, and/or Sharpe's contracts, but that's just because those players are overpaid.
BBallFreak wrote:So, according to the league NOW, they didn't actually clear Terry Rozier... they just allowed him to keep playing...without telling the team that acquired him that he was being investigated AND HADN'T BEEN CLEARED!
Yeah, no matter how you slice this, I want remuneration!
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/282599/NBA-Says-Terry-Rozier-Investigation-Lacked-Sufficient-Evidence-Never-Cleared-Him
jbk1234 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:So, according to the league NOW, they didn't actually clear Terry Rozier... they just allowed him to keep playing...without telling the team that acquired him that he was being investigated AND HADN'T BEEN CLEARED!
Yeah, no matter how you slice this, I want remuneration!
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/282599/NBA-Says-Terry-Rozier-Investigation-Lacked-Sufficient-Evidence-Never-Cleared-Him
The problem the Heat have is causation. They haven't been harmed until right now, with Rozier on an expiring contract, and it's not even clear they're unable to trade that expiring contract. The Rockets were able to trade KPJ.
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