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Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1881 » by Klomp » Fri Oct 24, 2025 9:31 pm

winforlose wrote:I will just point out that there are 10 players on a court at any given time and the +/- only shows the net result. If Portland goes cold for 5 minutes that doesn’t mean their shots were well defended. Likewise if the Wolves make shots for 5 minutes it doesn’t mean they were open or good. I watched Bones play, and I would call him a net negative who provided little if any value. His defense was poor and led to several open Blazers shots. His offense was unremarkable, and did nothing to create for his teammates. Simply being on the floor when things went well is not the same as making them go well.

Anthony Edwards was due to sit. Mike Conley was due to sit. Would you rather they had Donte run the offense again?

We needed to just hold serve, to allow Ant to get back in the game. Bones did that. I will concede looking back, the margin wasn't narrowed in while Ant was resting. It was a 7-point game when he checked out and a 7-point game when Ant checked back. In the 3 minutes Ant and Bones shared though, they cut the deficit to 2 points. The biggest difference though in that stretch Bones was on his own was no live-ball turnovers. You can say that's not a big deal, but it was last night for this team with the exception of only a select few. Bones was one of those few.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1882 » by KGdaBom » Fri Oct 24, 2025 9:32 pm

winforlose wrote:I will just point out that there are 10 players on a court at any given time and the +/- only shows the net result. If Portland goes cold for 5 minutes that doesn’t mean their shots were well defended. Likewise if the Wolves make shots for 5 minutes it doesn’t mean they were open or good. I watched Bones play, and I would call him a net negative who provided little if any value. His defense was poor and led to several open Blazers shots. His offense was unremarkable, and did nothing to create for his teammates. Simply being on the floor when things went well is not the same as making them go well.

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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1883 » by winforlose » Fri Oct 24, 2025 9:47 pm

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winforlose wrote:I will just point out that there are 10 players on a court at any given time and the +/- only shows the net result. If Portland goes cold for 5 minutes that doesn’t mean their shots were well defended. Likewise if the Wolves make shots for 5 minutes it doesn’t mean they were open or good. I watched Bones play, and I would call him a net negative who provided little if any value. His defense was poor and led to several open Blazers shots. His offense was unremarkable, and did nothing to create for his teammates. Simply being on the floor when things went well is not the same as making them go well.

Anthony Edwards was due to sit. Mike Conley was due to sit. Would you rather they had Donte run the offense again?

We needed to just hold serve, to allow Ant to get back in the game. Bones did that. I will concede looking back, the margin wasn't narrowed in while Ant was resting. It was a 7-point game when he checked out and a 7-point game when Ant checked back. In the 3 minutes Ant and Bones shared though, they cut the deficit to 2 points. The biggest difference though in that stretch Bones was on his own was no live-ball turnovers. You can say that's not a big deal, but it was last night for this team with the exception of only a select few. Bones was one of those few.


This is an honest question as I don’t remember the answer, but didn’t Jaden or someone other than Bones usually bring the ball up and run the offense during that time? Again I don’t remember specifically, but I remember thinking Bones isn’t really being used to run point. I don’t have my recording anymore, can someone please tell me whether I am misremembering?

To your point, I don’t know if another player could have held serve better or worse. I will never know that. I only know what I remember, and I remember thinking Bones was out of position several times on defense allowing things to be broken down more than they should. I remember thinking on offense that Bones should be running things more if he is going to be on the floor.

I checked the box score, Bones had 1 assist and 1 turnover in 7:43. He took 2 shots and made 1. He also had 2 rebounds. That is not a godawful set of numbers, but it also doesn’t scream primary distributor who was running the offense. Also he had 2 PFs, which is not great for less than 8 minutes.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1884 » by KGdaBom » Fri Oct 24, 2025 10:40 pm

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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1885 » by shrink » Sat Oct 25, 2025 12:47 am

I know that POR made it look like we are desperate for a PG, but there are only a handful of teams that can exert full court pressure all game long. When you create a team, you build one that can handle most of the NBA, not every team.

Yes, we can use playmaking overall, but I just don’t want us to get so over-focused on it that we make a bad deal.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1886 » by winforlose » Sat Oct 25, 2025 1:03 am

shrink wrote:I know that POR made it look like we are desperate for a PG, but there are only a handful of teams that can exert full court pressure all game long. When you create a team, you build one that can handle most of the NBA, not every team.

Yes, we can use playmaking overall, but I just don’t want us to get so over-focused on it that we make a bad deal.


I keep hearing this, but this is just wrong. In the playoffs all the teams will full court press us. Not to mention teams can change the game plan during the season. We might get away with it some of the regular season. But if it’s a problem in week 1 it will be a problem later.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1887 » by KGdaBom » Sat Oct 25, 2025 1:19 am

winforlose wrote:
shrink wrote:I know that POR made it look like we are desperate for a PG, but there are only a handful of teams that can exert full court pressure all game long. When you create a team, you build one that can handle most of the NBA, not every team.

Yes, we can use playmaking overall, but I just don’t want us to get so over-focused on it that we make a bad deal.


I keep hearing this, but this is just wrong. In the playoffs all the teams will full court press us. Not to mention teams can change the game plan during the season. We might get away with it some of the regular season. But if it’s a problem in week 1 it will be a problem later.

Once we're playing Dilly we won't have to worry about it anymore.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1888 » by cmoss84 » Sat Oct 25, 2025 3:44 am

Rudy, Jaden, TSJ
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1889 » by winforlose » Sat Oct 25, 2025 3:59 am

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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1890 » by Wolveswin » Sat Oct 25, 2025 7:40 am

cmoss84 wrote:Rudy, Jaden, TSJ
for
Giannis

That doesn’t get Giannis. Maybe one of his brothers.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1891 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Sat Oct 25, 2025 12:18 pm

Let's wait for another 2 months but we may need a PG...
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1892 » by TimberKat » Sat Oct 25, 2025 1:38 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
cmoss84 wrote:Rudy, Jaden, TSJ
for
Giannis

That doesn’t get Giannis. Maybe one of his brothers.

It's not the value is bad but no incentives for Bucks to make the trade. Bucks needs young talent or expiring to sign free agents
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1893 » by Wolveswin » Sat Oct 25, 2025 1:46 pm

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Wolveswin wrote:
cmoss84 wrote:Rudy, Jaden, TSJ
for
Giannis

That doesn’t get Giannis. Maybe one of his brothers.

It's not the value is bad but no incentives for Bucks to make the trade. Bucks needs young talent or expiring to sign free agents

Well the value is bad too. Many, many teams can beat that offer. And yes, a 3rd team would be needed who valued Wolves players rewarding Bucks young/players and picks.

Gobert/Randle/McDaniels/Beringer

Bucks would still ask for more being Wolves don’t have 1sts to trade.

Maybe this…

To Celtics: Gobert/AJ Green

To Bucks: Randle/McDaniels/Dilly*/Simons/Celtics 1st (at least one)/Any Wolves 1st swaps left
*Bucks probably require Beringer

To Wolves: Giannis/Kuzma/Hauser/Giannis Brother

Reid/Giannis/Beringer
Giannis/Kuzma
Edwards/Hauser/Miller
DDV/TSJ/Edwards
Conley/DDV/Bones

Not sure Giannis would want to stay in the gauntlet West on that roster. It’s good, but not great.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1894 » by Wolves21 » Yesterday 4:25 am

We badly need a legit PG and all-star tag team partner for Edwards.

Morant,Ball,Garland are the players we should be after or even second teir options like Sexton,Coby White or Derrick White.

We need someone that can create there own offense while setting the plate for others.


I know most will hate my idea for a trade package built around McDaniels,Divincenzo & Dillingham but think that plus possibly a pick would be what's needs to land a player like I listed(well the top players)
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1895 » by m2002brian » Yesterday 1:38 pm

Wolves21 wrote:We badly need a legit PG and all-star tag team partner for Edwards.

Morant,Ball,Garland are the players we should be after or even second teir options like Sexton,Coby White or Derrick White.

We need someone that can create there own offense while setting the plate for others.


I know most will hate my idea for a trade package built around McDaniels,Divincenzo & Dillingham but think that plus possibly a pick would be what's needs to land a player like I listed(well the top players)


If Ja could grow up, I’d trade Jaden for him in a second, and Jaden is my favorite player on this team.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1896 » by Wolves21 » Yesterday 2:08 pm

m2002brian wrote:
Wolves21 wrote:We badly need a legit PG and all-star tag team partner for Edwards.

Morant,Ball,Garland are the players we should be after or even second teir options like Sexton,Coby White or Derrick White.

We need someone that can create there own offense while setting the plate for others.


I know most will hate my idea for a trade package built around McDaniels,Divincenzo & Dillingham but think that plus possibly a pick would be what's needs to land a player like I listed(well the top players)


If Ja could grow up, I’d trade Jaden for him in a second, and Jaden is my favorite player on this team.


Yep that's what the worrying part is, but a one two punch of Edwards & Morant would be a legit title contender.

I think the trade package of McDaniels/DDV/Dillingham and a future 1st would be enough to land Morant but would be a high risk high reward.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1897 » by Wolveswin » Yesterday 2:12 pm

Wolves21 wrote:
m2002brian wrote:
Wolves21 wrote:We badly need a legit PG and all-star tag team partner for Edwards.

Morant,Ball,Garland are the players we should be after or even second teir options like Sexton,Coby White or Derrick White.

We need someone that can create there own offense while setting the plate for others.


I know most will hate my idea for a trade package built around McDaniels,Divincenzo & Dillingham but think that plus possibly a pick would be what's needs to land a player like I listed(well the top players)


If Ja could grow up, I’d trade Jaden for him in a second, and Jaden is my favorite player on this team.


Yep that's what the worrying part is, but a one two punch of Edwards & Morant would be a legit title contender.

I think the trade package of McDaniels/DDV/Dillingham and a future 1st would be enough to land Morant but would be a high risk high reward.

Wolves have no 1sts to trade.

That package I think other teams beat. But maybe.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1898 » by TimberKat » Yesterday 2:46 pm

All the talk about how bad the Gobert trade was and how he doesn't fit with Ant and Randle, the bigger problem is Randle and Naz cannot play together. Naz plays zero defense. Randle still can't make an interior pass to Gobert or Naz. Both Naz and Gobert's stat and effectiveness had gone down significantly since the Towns trade. We have over 50Mil lockup between the two for 3 plus years. One must go. We are one good mid-season trade away from getting back to the conference finals. Getting to the NBA finals will need JMcD to become Scottie Pippen and Dilly to become BJ Armstrong.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1899 » by Danimals » Yesterday 5:30 pm

Can we trade Randle for the Julias Randle of point guards? I think we’d be much better off.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1900 » by cmoss84 » Yesterday 6:26 pm

Stoner Sunday Blockbuster!

Celtics IN: Rudy, Jaden, RD, Mia SRP, MN SRP
OUT: White, Simons, Hauser, Pritchard

Heat IN: Randle and Pritchard
OUT: Ware, Rozier, SRP

TPUPS IN: White, Simons, Hauser, Ware, Rozier
OUT: Rudy, Randle, Jaden, RD, SRP
White/Ant/Hauser/Naz/Ware
Mike/Clark/TSJ/JB
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