Welcome Quentin Grimes!

[ProcessDoctor]

I think the working theory to operate under now is that Grimes deals are off the table because he will not accept any.

Why do you say that? There are several teams he'd probably get more playing time on.

Because I would think, that just in case he needs/wants a S&T, he wants to keep his Bird rights alive.

If he gets traded, the acquiring team does not get his Bird Rights.

Ah, I didn’t realize we’d have his bird rights next summer. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[phillynative]

Im looking at what dyson daniels and shaedon sharpe just got payed and im wondering if the sixers low-balling cost them.

[M2J]

Im looking at what dyson daniels and shaedon sharpe just got payed and im wondering if the sixers low-balling cost them.

Guess we'll see, but both those guys are younger... and likely doesn't hurt that they've had the opportunity to actually contribute within the teams actual roster and prove value.

I can't get mad at Morey for not paying 20-25 million to Quentin for the situation he actually contributed at a high level in and that he didn't exactly kill it in his role when the team was trying. If he can contribute this year in his realistic role...I think it could cost them some extra money, but they can keep him or trade him

[elchengue20]

Im looking at what dyson daniels and shaedon sharpe just got payed and im wondering if the sixers low-balling cost them.

Daniels and Sharpe are three years younger. In theory, they have greater potential. Also they're much more important parts of the projects those teams are building. Plus, they've also proven themselves a bit more on the NBA court.

[Wilfried]

I like Grimes, but he hasn't proved to be a player that contributes to winning and in all fairness, he's really redundant in the near future with Maxey - VJ and McCain already here.

Would be plain stupid to pay him that much money, especially given the fact the league doesn't value him that high either (otherwise, someone would have offered him a bigger contract). So don't know if he would have great trade value at 20 million/year.

Pretty sure his contract (+ Oubre's) will be in the market come february in exchange for a 4

[sodmoraes]

Grimes after VJ's first game:

[LloydFree]

... Grimes in trouble. I don't know what they were offering him, but VJ ain't gonna let him get the chance to build his value for next year.

[the_process]

They were offering him the QO. They want to be able to duck the tax if they are a bad team again this year.

However, if Grimes plays his role and contributes to (even limited) winning this year, he will get paid. Possibly here, as they will have full Bird rights.

Not anywhere near 30M, obviously.

[Kolkmania]

I like Grimes, but he hasn't proved to be a player that contributes to winning and in all fairness, he's really redundant in the near future with Maxey - VJ and McCain already here.

Would be plain stupid to pay him that much money, especially given the fact the league doesn't value him that high either (otherwise, someone would have offered him a bigger contract). So don't know if he would have great trade value at 20 million/year.

Pretty sure his contract (+ Oubre's) will be in the market come february in exchange for a 4

The tricky part is his non-trade clause. Since the acquiring team will only get the opportunity to offer Grimes 8.7*1.25 = 10.9m, there's not that a lot of incentive for Grimes to consent.
With the current CBA/Apron rules it is already incredibly tricky to trade a player, when players have non-trade clauses it makes it almost impossible.

I agree that the added value of Grimes for the 15m-20m range gets a bit tricky considering our current guard rotation, but Grimes was probably the only realistic option to acquire a valuable big wing/forward. That lack of optionality sucks.

[ProcessDoctor]

So can we sign him to an extension while he's on this QO, or does he have to hit unrestricted free agency?

[Eyeamok]

He's going to be playing the best basketball of his life. It's games like the one tonight against Orlando where he shows what value he really brings to the table. No Embiid and the the 76ers are playing well. Let's see what he can do.

[BlackKnight]

I’ve got a hot take. I wanna see Grimes start over Edgecombe and play 48 mins a game. It’d be a win win as this would save VJ and Maxeys legs a bit while Grimes would be able to pad his stats for that next contract. Plus, Grimes is balling out so there shouldn’t be much of a drop off if any in terms of overall team performance

[76ciology]

My gut tells me Grimes should stay in the second unit, where he has the freedom to play his own game and anchor the bench. If he plays with the starters, he might stray from the team’s system, especially since he’s clearly motivated to earn his next contract.

[M2J]

I’ve got a hot take. I wanna see Grimes start over Edgecombe and play 48 mins a game. It’d be a win win as this would save VJ and Maxeys legs a bit while Grimes would be able to pad his stats for that next contract. Plus, Grimes is balling out so there shouldn’t be much of a drop off if any in terms of overall team performance

[M2J]

My gut tells me Grimes should stay in the second unit, where he has the freedom to play his own game and anchor the bench. If he plays with the starters, he might stray from the team’s system, especially since he’s clearly motivated to earn his next contract.

I'm loving Grimes, been good in all 3 games. Basically playing exactly how we all hope George will play. Interesting to see how this plays out. But right now, I'd hate to lose the guy for this team and 20 million looks sorta worth it. Grimes and VJ are able to defend up in size a bit, but will be really interesting to see how the production changes with Jared and George.

Jared has a very clear position even if just for 20 minutes right now as backup point guard for Maxey and VJ who even handles over Grimes. George could have a clear role if he can play better than Kelly and they can hold down the 3/4 spots

[76ciology]

My gut tells me Grimes should stay in the second unit, where he has the freedom to play his own game and anchor the bench. If he plays with the starters, he might stray from the team’s system, especially since he’s clearly motivated to earn his next contract.

I'm loving Grimes, been good in all 3 games. Basically playing exactly how we all hope George will play. Interesting to see how this plays out. But right now, I'd hate to lose the guy for this team and 20 million looks sorta worth it. Grimes and VJ are able to defend up in size a bit, but will be really interesting to see how the production changes with Jared and George.

Jared has a very clear position even if just for 20 minutes right now as backup point guard for Maxey and VJ who even handles over Grimes. George could have a clear role if he can play better than Kelly and they can hold down the 3/4 spots

I see Jared having a limited role when everyone’s healthy. He should get an expanded role whenever one of our guards sits out, given how guard reliant our system is. Ultimately, he projects as Grimes’ replacement next season.

[M2J]

My gut tells me Grimes should stay in the second unit, where he has the freedom to play his own game and anchor the bench. If he plays with the starters, he might stray from the team’s system, especially since he’s clearly motivated to earn his next contract.

I'm loving Grimes, been good in all 3 games. Basically playing exactly how we all hope George will play. Interesting to see how this plays out. But right now, I'd hate to lose the guy for this team and 20 million looks sorta worth it. Grimes and VJ are able to defend up in size a bit, but will be really interesting to see how the production changes with Jared and George.

Jared has a very clear position even if just for 20 minutes right now as backup point guard for Maxey and VJ who even handles over Grimes. George could have a clear role if he can play better than Kelly and they can hold down the 3/4 spots

I see Jared having a limited role when everyone’s healthy. He should get an expanded role whenever one of our guards sits out, given how guard reliant our system is. Ultimately, he projects as Grimereplacement next season.

Yeah. It will be interesting to see how Nurse handles it, but Jared may be the best equipped to be the pg when Maxey is in scoring mode and definitely when Maxey is out. VJ is filling that role and has had great results obviously, but I think VJ is the defacto Grimes replacement and George's role will change into that as well. Or they get rid of George and pay Grimes. I still love Kelly as the sizeable athletic wing due to his availability and athletic 2 way ability and price.


We'll see

[Eyeamok]

I think thise thread will turn into a daily Grimes watch which is cool. Last night he was good. He will never ever be 30 million good, IMO, but he was good. He played better in the game against the Hornets. But it's still early days. And when McCain comes back, if he can duplicate what he did last season, Grimes is going to have a tough time showing his worth sandwiched between VJ and McCain.

Early days in the season but I still would not sign him for $20 million a year.

[stormi]

My gut tells me Grimes should stay in the second unit, where he has the freedom to play his own game and anchor the bench. If he plays with the starters, he might stray from the team’s system, especially since he’s clearly motivated to earn his next contract.

Wouldn't even mind seeing Maxey-Edgecombe and McCain-Grimes as duo's.

The former already have fantastic chemistry building & McCain as a more natural lead guard archetype can create looks for Grimes and also provide utility off the ball with his movement when Grimes is trying to get his off the dribble.

McCain is ultra portable so I think he'll insulate whoever he's playing with.

[Embiid P]

IMO barring the unlikely event that Grimes will accept a long-term deal worth significantly less than what he is currently seeking, he is all but certain to leave next season via free agency. Thus his trade value will never be higher than it is now for us. I expect a significant reduction in his minutes once both McCain and PG return which will also diminish his value. What do you think he'd fetch right now?