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Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2

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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1101 » by brackdan70 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 1:59 pm

doogie_hauser wrote:Walker Kessler is having a brilliant start to the season. Would be perfect for us (he is very durable for one thing)

A couple of FRPs (including ours this year unprotected) Simons, Hauser, Walsh and maybe some pick swaps enough to tempt The Jazz ?

Probably not but it's fun to dream

If we include 2026 unprotected and take back long term salary for Simons or remove him it’s definitely enough.
Hauser, Walsh , 2026, a future first, future swap rights is a really strong package. Ainge won’t get better imo.
I’d be very hesitant to include 2026 from a Celtics perspective.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1102 » by Fierce1 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:04 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:Walker Kessler is having a brilliant start to the season. Would be perfect for us (he is very durable for one thing)

A couple of FRPs (including ours this year unprotected) Simons, Hauser, Walsh and maybe some pick swaps enough to tempt The Jazz ?

Probably not but it's fun to dream

If we include 2026 unprotected and take back long term salary for Simons or remove him it’s definitely enough.
Hauser, Walsh , 2026, a future first, future swap rights is a really strong package. Ainge won’t get better imo.
I’d be very hesitant to include 2026 from a Celtics perspective.

Celtics can trade Simons and 2 FRPs for Kessler and Nurkic.

The question is what protections are in place for the picks and what year.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1103 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:24 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:Walker Kessler is having a brilliant start to the season. Would be perfect for us (he is very durable for one thing)

A couple of FRPs (including ours this year unprotected) Simons, Hauser, Walsh and maybe some pick swaps enough to tempt The Jazz ?

Probably not but it's fun to dream

If we include 2026 unprotected and take back long term salary for Simons or remove him it’s definitely enough.
Hauser, Walsh , 2026, a future first, future swap rights is a really strong package. Ainge won’t get better imo.
I’d be very hesitant to include 2026 from a Celtics perspective.

Celtics can trade Simons and 2 FRPs for Kessler and Nurkic.

The question is what protections are in place for the picks and what year.

The bigger question is do the Celtics want to pay Kessler a big contract ($25-30 million) at the end of the year? I'm guessing no.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1104 » by keevsnick1 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:32 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:If we include 2026 unprotected and take back long term salary for Simons or remove him it’s definitely enough.
Hauser, Walsh , 2026, a future first, future swap rights is a really strong package. Ainge won’t get better imo.
I’d be very hesitant to include 2026 from a Celtics perspective.

Celtics can trade Simons and 2 FRPs for Kessler and Nurkic.

The question is what protections are in place for the picks and what year.

The bigger question is do the Celtics want to pay Kessler a big contract ($25-30 million) at the end of the year? I'm guessing no.


I think if you could et Kessler in that range for next year it would be a fine contract.

Other similar paid centers (this year's or next year's salary).
Porzingis: 30.7
Hartenstein: 28.5
Allen: 28.0
Claxton: 25.4
Turner: 25.3
Redi: 21.6
Poeltl: 19.5
Zubac: 19.5

So it seems to be like Kessler is worth somewhere in that 20–30-million-dollar range. if the Celtics did trade for him he'd be a restricted free agent and those guys tend to make a little less than you expect. he may also be a S&T option for them this summer.

A 4 year 112 million dollar deal going 25/27/29/31 would seem fair to me.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1105 » by doogie_hauser » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:32 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:If we include 2026 unprotected and take back long term salary for Simons or remove him it’s definitely enough.
Hauser, Walsh , 2026, a future first, future swap rights is a really strong package. Ainge won’t get better imo.
I’d be very hesitant to include 2026 from a Celtics perspective.

Celtics can trade Simons and 2 FRPs for Kessler and Nurkic.

The question is what protections are in place for the picks and what year.

The bigger question is do the Celtics want to pay Kessler a big contract ($25-30 million) at the end of the year? I'm guessing no.


If we have ambitions to win another chip, than yes.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1106 » by Fierce1 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:37 pm

Kessler will be worth it at 25m per year.

He's that good!
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1107 » by playa-hater » Tue Oct 28, 2025 2:56 pm

No way Do I give up on my dream of getting a top lottery pick in this year's class. I wanted Kessler before Tatum had his injury. Now, hell no, if it costs us our number 1. Especially If Kessler ends up being a 1 year rental.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1108 » by gammajamma » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:00 pm

How realistic is okongwu as a trade option in offseason?
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1109 » by steefP2 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:03 pm

gammajamma wrote:How realistic is okongwu as a trade option in offseason?



Not very as he’s the only semi reliable center the hawks have
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Post#1110 » by Hal14 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:14 pm

keevsnick1 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Celtics can trade Simons and 2 FRPs for Kessler and Nurkic.

The question is what protections are in place for the picks and what year.

The bigger question is do the Celtics want to pay Kessler a big contract ($25-30 million) at the end of the year? I'm guessing no.


I think if you could et Kessler in that range for next year it would be a fine contract.

Other similar paid centers (this year's or next year's salary).
Porzingis: 30.7
Hartenstein: 28.5
Allen: 28.0
Claxton: 25.4
Turner: 25.3
Redi: 21.6
Poeltl: 19.5
Zubac: 19.5

So it seems to be like Kessler is worth somewhere in that 20–30-million-dollar range. if the Celtics did trade for him he'd be a restricted free agent and those guys tend to make a little less than you expect. he may also be a S&T option for them this summer.

A 4 year 112 million dollar deal going 25/27/29/31 would seem fair to me.

Celtics are unlikely to pay that kind of money for a center, given the amount of long term money tied to Tatum/Brown/White. With this new CBA environment we're now in, it doesn't make financial sense to have 2 guys on a supermax contract + 1 guys making $30mil+ (white) and paying all of that $ for a big. For that reason, OKC is probably gonna have to move Hartenstein once the Jdub and Chet extensions kick in.

Not to mention Kessler doesn't fit our timeline:
White 31
Brown 29
Tatum 27

Given those ages, any other core pieces we have should be between age 26-32. Kessler is 24.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1111 » by playa-hater » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:15 pm

steefP2 wrote:
gammajamma wrote:How realistic is okongwu as a trade option in offseason?



Not very as he’s the only semi reliable center the hawks have


Is/will he be even better than Queta??
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1112 » by Hal14 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:16 pm

steefP2 wrote:
gammajamma wrote:How realistic is okongwu as a trade option in offseason?



Not very as he’s the only semi reliable center the hawks have

You're probably right but keep in mind, ATL gets the Pelicans 1st round pick in the upcoming draft. If that pick ends up being high enough to take Cam Boozer or Quaintance, then they may be open to an Okongwu deal..
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1113 » by gammajamma » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:23 pm

playa-hater wrote:
steefP2 wrote:
gammajamma wrote:How realistic is okongwu as a trade option in offseason?



Not very as he’s the only semi reliable center the hawks have


Is/will he be even better than Queta??


Even if he is they need multiple bigs
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1114 » by brackdan70 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:33 pm

Hal14 wrote:
keevsnick1 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:The bigger question is do the Celtics want to pay Kessler a big contract ($25-30 million) at the end of the year? I'm guessing no.


I think if you could et Kessler in that range for next year it would be a fine contract.

Other similar paid centers (this year's or next year's salary).
Porzingis: 30.7
Hartenstein: 28.5
Allen: 28.0
Claxton: 25.4
Turner: 25.3
Redi: 21.6
Poeltl: 19.5
Zubac: 19.5

So it seems to be like Kessler is worth somewhere in that 20–30-million-dollar range. if the Celtics did trade for him he'd be a restricted free agent and those guys tend to make a little less than you expect. he may also be a S&T option for them this summer.

A 4 year 112 million dollar deal going 25/27/29/31 would seem fair to me.

Celtics are unlikely to pay that kind of money for a center, given the amount of long term money tied to Tatum/Brown/White. With this new CBA environment we're now in, it doesn't make financial sense to have 2 guys on a supermax contract + 1 guys making $30mil+ (white) and paying all of that $ for a big. For that reason, OKC is probably gonna have to move Hartenstein once the Jdub and Chet extensions kick in.

Not to mention Kessler doesn't fit our timeline:
White 31
Brown 29
Tatum 27

Given those ages, any other core pieces we have should be between age 26-32. Kessler is 24.

I don’t think age matters as much as ability to contribute during Tatums timeline. If a dude is 24 and can contribute then he fits. I think timeline comes into play if a guy is still a prospect and not quite ready or if a dude is near career end and may only be productive for a year.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1115 » by Celticlifer » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:38 pm

This is a bad idea. We don't need to spend that kind of money and draft and trade capital on a walker kessler level player.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1116 » by djFan71 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:50 pm

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djFan71 wrote:Would anyone do Hauser for Anthony Black? ORL still needs shooting. We need a longer term PG. I’m not sure I’m for it or not. Just throwing the idea out for discussion. Don’t factor Simons into your decision + just to keep it simple.


I believe I would, But I would try much harder on a Simons for Black and Isaac.

I no longer believe that Isaac can become much of anything, but hey, there is still hope there I guess. Change of environment might just be what he needs.

The prize is Blacks potential (and 5 mill in savings)

Agree. I played around with finding enough ORL salary (and a place for it to go) to match Simons in the summer. It gets pretty hard. Even the Hauser one you gotta send someone else from ORL somewhere, but I didn't wanna complicate the discussion with the minutiae.

brackdan70 wrote:Interesting idea. He is still under 22. Seems risky though in a sense as we know what he have with Hauser and he fits well as a 7th guy around Tatum, Brown , White, Queta, Pritchard, Minott, 2026 lotto pick, Hugo.
Defensively Black looks like a really solid NBA prospect already with lots of experience. On offense a project. Shooting and scoring is not terrible, but a lot to work on if he is going to be a floor general. He looks more like a versatile defense first 3rd guard. We could use that for sure going forward but is that skill set greater than what Hauser brings. Hauser is an elite shooter that’s serviceable in other aspects of the game.

It's tough now for Joe to play Hauser, Minott and Hugo in the same game - and that's without JT. When he's back, I think JB, JT, Minott and Hugo are enough for the bigger wing rotation. Black could fill that Jrue role (eventually, to some < 100%) and you have White and PP. Add lotto pick/TPE big and Queta and you have a solid 9-man rotation.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1117 » by Larry_Russell » Tue Oct 28, 2025 4:34 pm

gammajamma wrote:How realistic is okongwu as a trade option in offseason?



Whem we draft AJ and offer brown for Dyson Daniels and Okongwu he will be ours.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1118 » by steefP2 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 6:27 pm

Hal14 wrote:
steefP2 wrote:
gammajamma wrote:How realistic is okongwu as a trade option in offseason?



Not very as he’s the only semi reliable center the hawks have

You're probably right but keep in mind, ATL gets the Pelicans 1st round pick in the upcoming draft. If that pick ends up being high enough to take Cam Boozer or Quaintance, then they may be open to an Okongwu deal..



I don’t think boozer can play center but sure.

Look nothing is impossible but just saying okongwu isn’t the most attainable target
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1119 » by steefP2 » Tue Oct 28, 2025 6:27 pm

playa-hater wrote:
steefP2 wrote:
gammajamma wrote:How realistic is okongwu as a trade option in offseason?



Not very as he’s the only semi reliable center the hawks have


Is/will he be even better than Queta??



Yes a lot
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1120 » by playa-hater » Tue Oct 28, 2025 6:51 pm

steefP2 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
steefP2 wrote:

Not very as he’s the only semi reliable center the hawks have


Is/will he be even better than Queta??



Yes a lot


A lot?? :o

Guessing you're not a big believer in a much improving Queta as I am.. We can revisit this again at the end of the year
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