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IND lost Turner but just waived Wiseman...I guess he's just cooked physically. Bummer. Maybe one failed stop earlier in his career, I'd still consider a possible rehab project but this is probably it for him.
I still think Bamba on a vet min, limited as he is, might fit better than some others here - as a reserve Center with potential for occasional big shooting nights.
I still think Bamba on a vet min, limited as he is, might fit better than some others here - as a reserve Center with potential for occasional big shooting nights.
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Just curious if Orlando would be willing to part with Black if it meant moving Isaac at the same time?
IE: Anfernee Simons (expiring) for Black and Isaac?
Feel like it works for both team, but obviously I am a celtics homer...so wanted Orlando fans opinion.
IE: Anfernee Simons (expiring) for Black and Isaac?
Feel like it works for both team, but obviously I am a celtics homer...so wanted Orlando fans opinion.
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Probably not. We're having a tough time defending guards, and we'd be giving up a good defensive guard for a bad one.Larry_Russell wrote:Just curious if Orlando would be willing to part with Black if it meant moving Isaac at the same time?
IE: Anfernee Simons (expiring) for Black and Isaac?
Feel like it works for both team, but obviously I am a celtics homer...so wanted Orlando fans opinion.
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Larry_Russell wrote:Just curious if Orlando would be willing to part with Black if it meant moving Isaac at the same time?
IE: Anfernee Simons (expiring) for Black and Isaac?
Feel like it works for both team, but obviously I am a celtics homer...so wanted Orlando fans opinion.
Yes on shopping Black/Isaac together, but not for Simons.
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Isaac is a trade chip because of his non-guaranteed contract. Black is in our top 6 best players, and he's still at an age to improve.Knightro wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:Just curious if Orlando would be willing to part with Black if it meant moving Isaac at the same time?
IE: Anfernee Simons (expiring) for Black and Isaac?
Feel like it works for both team, but obviously I am a celtics homer...so wanted Orlando fans opinion.
Yes on shopping Black/Isaac together, but not for Simons.
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Trade WCJ and JI if we aren't .500 by the deadline.
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basketballRob wrote:Isaac is a trade chip because of his non-guaranteed contract. Black is in our top 6 best players, and he's still at an age to improve.Knightro wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:Just curious if Orlando would be willing to part with Black if it meant moving Isaac at the same time?
IE: Anfernee Simons (expiring) for Black and Isaac?
Feel like it works for both team, but obviously I am a celtics homer...so wanted Orlando fans opinion.
Yes on shopping Black/Isaac together, but not for Simons.
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Does anyone remember a partially guaranteed deal being waived? If the guy isn't actually out for the year, etc...there's always such a concern for pissing off agents. In the NFL, guys without full guarantees get cut all the time.
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AB's early games this season has been a pleasant surprise. Hope he keeps it up!
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I think he's played poorly, but it mostly looks like him and the team aren't in sync yet.MasterGMer wrote:AB's early games this season has been a pleasant surprise. Hope he keeps it up!
Suggs was 7 months older than AB in his 3rd season, and after his first 7 games that season, he was shooting 24% from 3. People here were saying he was a complete bust. Suggs ended up shooting 397 on high volume that season.
Black has the tools he just mentally has to focus, and forget about mistakes. I remember Suggs going 1-10 at Phoenix in his 3rd season and then turned around and shot 25-43 from 3 in his next 5 games.
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MasterGMer wrote:AB's early games this season has been a pleasant surprise. Hope he keeps it up!
He's been really bad in certain areas.
His TS% gains have been wiped out by a massive spike in turnovers. Not defending at an elite level (yet) either.
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I would get the best possible bench wing for Jonathan Isaac and Anthony Black. Those two are taking up 20mil plus. Jett has no value. Ive accepted we wasted that lottery pick. AB has to go. He will be a good defending wing forward on another team. He is an awful fit on this team and time has run out.
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In JI and Jett we've got $20.5M out of the rotation. Jett is effectively an expiring and JI has $8M guaranteed remaining after this season.
What are the team needs? Cap flexibility might be more valuable than any role upgrades.
Edit: They represent $13.8M in cap relief next season. I doubt we trade them for long-term salary. We are at the stage where we need to trade long-term money in any retooling moves.
What are the team needs? Cap flexibility might be more valuable than any role upgrades.
Edit: They represent $13.8M in cap relief next season. I doubt we trade them for long-term salary. We are at the stage where we need to trade long-term money in any retooling moves.
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AB isn't being shopped. We need to be realistic about his development and understand what kind of value the team places on him based on the role they have given him.OrlandoDream wrote:I would get the best possible bench wing for Jonathan Isaac and Anthony Black. Those two are taking up 20mil plus. Jett has no value. Ive accepted we wasted that lottery pick. AB has to go. He will be a good defending wing forward on another team. He is an awful fit on this team and time has run out.
1. He is better than the league average in every shooting category except FT% so far this season. For a team that is desperate for shooting that's found money from a "defense first" guard.
2. He's the sixth man. His role has increased every year.
3. He's being developed as a point guard and is seen as one of the best point of attack defenders in the NBA.
We have four players with better than average TS%— Franz, Jalen, Goga, and.... AB.
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AdamTheGreek wrote:I’m not taking anyone seriously that offers up Paolo or Franz in a trade (should be a 1-week board ban, IMO).
We’re missing an Ingles vet. Tyus being our oldest player and Isaac being our longest tenured player is not helping the situation.
We have some dead weight wearing down our books (Isaac, Jett in particular).
If we’re not going to start Goga at center, then you’ve got to trade Wendell to find one. WCJ again cannot be a good starting center in this league.
Few things here.
I don’t think Paolo has progressed very much at all in terms of polishing his skillset on offense, which is his entire appeal as a player.
That being said, they won’t trade him even though it would be a bold decision that would probably be smart in the long run. That’s just a fact in terms of efficiency. He comes off as more of a liability you appease rather than someone you plug into a system seamlessly.
You are right though that there is a bunch of dead weight. Carter isn’t a legitimate starting Center. AB is a guy that would draw interest and doesn’t fit with the core IMO considering the investment in Suggs, Bane, and Jase. Isaac is unplayable and nobody is taking on his contract this season unless he’s packaged or a team is looking to dump him 1-2 seasons from now.
Jett and Isaac I doubt have value to other teams.
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eyriq wrote:AB isn't being shopped. We need to be realistic about his development and understand what kind of value the team places on him based on the role they have given him.OrlandoDream wrote:I would get the best possible bench wing for Jonathan Isaac and Anthony Black. Those two are taking up 20mil plus. Jett has no value. Ive accepted we wasted that lottery pick. AB has to go. He will be a good defending wing forward on another team. He is an awful fit on this team and time has run out.
1. He is better than the league average in every shooting category except FT% so far this season. For a team that is desperate for shooting that's found money from a "defense first" guard.
2. He's the sixth man. His role has increased every year.
3. He's being developed as a point guard and is seen as one of the best point of attack defenders in the NBA.
We have four players with better than average TS%— Franz, Jalen, Goga, and.... AB.
We also need to be realistic about his actual impact beyond advanced obscure stats (especially when he's about to be eligible for an extension). If all we have to deal is JI and Jett, we'll be adding srps just to save money with no shot at returning a piece to help right the ship. AB, at least, has hope on his ledger. It's not even clear to me what we'd be shopping for at this point - it basically all looks bad.
To put it simply, I'd MUCH rather have AB than not have him, but you have to give to get...and, assuming it's not simply a matter of acclimation and/or coaching, this roster is still very flawed. WCJ looked great for a handful of games vs BOS but we're back to "we don't have a starting C on our roster"
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I’m still high on AB, but he needs to develop consistent reliability this season on both ends. He’s making $10.1 mil. next season. That’s a lot of money considering our cap situation.
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Your shopping list is to find us a damn center upgrade, brother. Not for AB thoughSkybox wrote:eyriq wrote:AB isn't being shopped. We need to be realistic about his development and understand what kind of value the team places on him based on the role they have given him.OrlandoDream wrote:I would get the best possible bench wing for Jonathan Isaac and Anthony Black. Those two are taking up 20mil plus. Jett has no value. Ive accepted we wasted that lottery pick. AB has to go. He will be a good defending wing forward on another team. He is an awful fit on this team and time has run out.
1. He is better than the league average in every shooting category except FT% so far this season. For a team that is desperate for shooting that's found money from a "defense first" guard.
2. He's the sixth man. His role has increased every year.
3. He's being developed as a point guard and is seen as one of the best point of attack defenders in the NBA.
We have four players with better than average TS%— Franz, Jalen, Goga, and.... AB.
We also need to be realistic about his actual impact beyond advanced obscure stats (especially when he's about to be eligible for an extension). If all we have to deal is JI and Jett, we'll be adding srps just to save money with no shot at returning a piece to help right the ship. AB, at least, has hope on his ledger. It's not even clear to me what we'd be shopping for at this point - it basically all looks bad.
To put it simply, I'd MUCH rather have AB than not have him, but you have to give to get...and, assuming it's not simply a matter of acclimation and/or coaching, this roster is still very flawed. WCJ looked great for a handful of games vs BOS but we're back to "we don't have a starting C on our roster"
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eyriq wrote:Your shopping list is to find us a damn center upgrade, brother. Not for AB thoughSkybox wrote:eyriq wrote:AB isn't being shopped. We need to be realistic about his development and understand what kind of value the team places on him based on the role they have given him.
1. He is better than the league average in every shooting category except FT% so far this season. For a team that is desperate for shooting that's found money from a "defense first" guard.
2. He's the sixth man. His role has increased every year.
3. He's being developed as a point guard and is seen as one of the best point of attack defenders in the NBA.
We have four players with better than average TS%— Franz, Jalen, Goga, and.... AB.
We also need to be realistic about his actual impact beyond advanced obscure stats (especially when he's about to be eligible for an extension). If all we have to deal is JI and Jett, we'll be adding srps just to save money with no shot at returning a piece to help right the ship. AB, at least, has hope on his ledger. It's not even clear to me what we'd be shopping for at this point - it basically all looks bad.
To put it simply, I'd MUCH rather have AB than not have him, but you have to give to get...and, assuming it's not simply a matter of acclimation and/or coaching, this roster is still very flawed. WCJ looked great for a handful of games vs BOS but we're back to "we don't have a starting C on our roster"
What else are you offering?...it's kind of important to have something of value if you want something back.
Our most interesting non-AB chips ARE Centers...probably not getting a C back without pick(s) that we don't have. Not even sure who we'd want...a guy like Kessler? Claxton? they are both "better" than our present Centers but maybe not better fits. Even a stretch guy with real value like Myles Turner probably doesn't provide the rebounding and perimeter D Mose (I think) craves. I like Claxton and Gafford but neither one is much of a rebounder.
I'd jump on Kessler if we had the chips for him, but I'm far from sure it'd work out - without even considering his upcoming $$$.
I'm getting the shakes from not using the Trade Machine but I'm kind of unsure what to shoot for yet.








